The war at home

[Ed Palmer]

Just tell this shix bird to go flock his self

[bigdog43701]

ray "doc"...get your facts straight. i just read your profile. let's see born 1996?...served in war in asia 1984-1994(?), member of VC (Viet Cong), SOG (Studies and Observation Group) and Delta (?).

To coin a phrase "El Toro POOPOO!!!

Death smiles at everyone,
Marines smile back.

Sgt Bob VANDYNE
0341/0321
USMC 1970-1981

[ray"doc"]

Mein Alter ist 39 Jahre und wenn ich auch Fehler habe und statt 1966 die Zahl 1996 tippte ist das nur menschlich.

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Ganz toll finde ich das man scheinbar nicht wissen kann (oder will) das auch nach 1975 Kriege in Asien stattgefunden haben in welchen auch Verbände des VC vertreten waren.

vgl. Lexikon

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Was sehr abenteuerlich ist wäre das man ausgerechnet hier nicht mal weis was die Abkürzung SOG bedeutet und noch fraglicher ist das man nicht mal wissen (will) oder kann was DELTA

students.engr.scu.edu/.../ us/delta/page1.htm

bedeutet.

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Präsident Bush sagte: (sinngem.)

es wäre besser wenn erfahrene Vet`s , Leute wie wir, in manchen Kriegsgebiete zum Einsatz kommen

- ich verstehe Präsident Bush jetzt noch viel besser !

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Ich bitte um Löschung aus euerem Register denn hier ist kein Platz für uns !

Danke sf Ray Doc

[Joseph P Carey]

Doc,

I understand that you were born in 1966, I was wounded twice that year in combat, and that made you only 9 years old when Saigon Fell to the Communists at the invitation of the US Congress. What I am trying to understand is your earlier statement that you were ten years fighting in Asia; you would not have been 20 years of age until the year 1986. I do not believe that the Germans were at war in Southeast Asia, and, for that matter, were not allowed to have an army committed to a foreign war until very recent history due to conditions imposed on Germany after World War II.

It is understandable why the men on this board have taken what you say 'as a gain of salt’; because, you are not believable in what you do say. We here are United States Marines. We are not the US Army that you may be familiar with; we are an entirely different breed of men and Soldiers.

We are trying to understand you, but so far, we have had nothing that we can believe. It is not your language that we are having difficulty with, because we are used to speaking with Foreigners, it is your thoughts and your time periods we are having difficulty with. Not all Americans are as stupid, or as gullible, as many Europeans seem to think.

[jgorosco]

I have putten some of the phrases that this ray "doc" has typed and alot of it doesnt even make sense. I put it into the research that I have on my computer and nothing makes sense. It sounds alot like a whole lot of BULLZhit!!

SEMPER FI
IYOAYAS

[junker316]

Okay ray"doc" nice try. Some of these other vets maybe can't translate your German but I can. So you were born in BRD ( East Germany ) and went to school to learn a job. While in school you had a good friend from Viet Nam between 1965-1975 returned to Nam. It went bad from him and he had family in the USA and his wife left him. He was alone in NAM. So what does this have to do with your back ground???? This is your Firend's back ground.
Vets I will translate the rest then comment. Hope this helps you all half as much as I am thinking that it is plain BS.

Your firend died on the streets. Even till today you don't understand he had done to deserve this. It wasn't the War but the War at home.
You were so upset that you packed your stuff and went to Asia and foiund yourself in the middle of a civil war. You got married while you were there and fought for years against " POL POT ". You lived a very hard fight adn ended up in a War Prison.
Then in 1994 you went back to the BRD. A short time later your wife and childern were murdered. You had nothing left. You wanted revenge for the murder of your wife and childern.
Then with a friend you founded the USVE.
Most of the people were homeless ( dirty mouths ), Many from families that left them, no House, no work, often very hopeless.
Alot of your group went freely into Yugoslavia. You found the first Concentration camps, Mass Graves, and you helped people to come out of the war there. Even today you hunt down War criminals.
Or you think about what happened to Jessica Lynch.
Or you think about what has happened to Lynndie England. It is definite that Lynndie made mistakes but is Lynndie Dirt because of it?
Even today we have a very big group that we help. Often it is a way to get home, there were others are looking for a way back to their homeland and then nothing, have absolutley nothing. Often are they very alone with no home, no family, only with the chance of using the internet. Often are the people so very bad off that people can say that it is the War at home.
Happily we support fighters like Werner Mauss (www.werner-mauss.de).
And: Happily I go to the place, no payment, etc. So I also in Yugoslavia, where I was sentenced to death because of my work against Gen. Mladic. Or when it comes to child molesters; This is where we are very active that these criminals are put in front of a court and the ones left behind still have it very hard.
With the years we built a sector where we can work, be the middle man, have real officials for example in Sachen PTBS in BRD. We go out to gather, protest before the courts...all cost free!
... Yeah I hope that the first moments is enough for you

But your years still doin't match up ray"doc" and I think that you are beating around the bush. I won't contest your envolvements with what you said. But it sounds alot deeper than you let on. All this and still really no answer as to whether you were a US Marine or not. I can translate everything you wrote. But I think that this is enough for me to settle on that this is either the biggest line of BS that I ever heard or you are trying to engage us into disruption of the polls and forums. Where is the proof the you should be able to use " Semper Fi" or have an Officer's insignia? You tell us more about your friend and your group people, either make believe or not, but don't show proof that you were a US Marine. Start to make sense ray"doc" and maybe we will liusten to you. If you need a translater all you have to do is ask me and I will forward you an opprotunity to show us something. Or take the low road and bow out while you still have some diginty left. There are mostly Vets, War Vets, in Leatherneck. US Marine Vets. It iusn't nice to try to play games, if that is what this is, with us. We are serious about what we have done and what we do. This is also no place to try to pick up "new" recruits for whatever pruposes you may be trying to hide. All we ask is that you be forward with us.

[mrbsox]

Thanks Sgt.
You beat me to a translator !!

ray"doc"...

YHEA... WHAT HE SAID !!

[rb1651]

Thanks Junker316 for the translation. I had copied ray"doc"'s post and sent it to a friend of mime that is orginally from Germany, and was going to post it, but you beat me to it.

As for ray"doc", all we want is proof that you were or are a U.S. Marine. As has been previously stated, this is a Brotherhood that we share, and we have all proven ourselves by becoming U.S. Marines.

Either put up, or SHUT up!!!

[Ed Palmer]

Ya know I am willing to bet that this is a 12 or 15 year old kid and still wet behind the ears dang near bet his mommy still changes his diapers.

[junker316]

Thanks for the inspirations. I have sent ray"doc" a private message in his lang. If he replies, which I really don't think he will, I will see what he has to defend his stature. This idea came from RetGySgt in a message to me. Thanks again RetGySgt. Until he does have something to show us I will no longer reply to anything he says. this has gotten way outta hand and we were nice to him by even handling it the way it was handled. Like Palmer said...he is probably some 12-15 year old kid that thought is would be fun to interupt our forums and polls.

[GySgtRet]

junker316,

Roger that...

[junker316]

just to keep every-one informed...I haven't received any information or Emails from ray"doc". I will let you know that I did offer my services as a translater to him and believe I allowed enough time for a responce. As it was said before, and I also think to be fact now, this was either a young child between 12-15 trying to disrupt us or is was some-one searching for recruits or intell for what ever pruposes. It was East Block Lingo, just from the slang that wasbeing used, and they had a very hard time using the English language as we know it. Good riddens to ray"doc".

[GySgtRet]

junker316,

I think that we have nailed this one. They ain't getting anything but name, rank, and serial number. Seriousley, I agree that this is a probe for inforamtion. If he can't answer you by now..

[rb1651]

Thanks junker316. All I can say is good bye and good riddence!!!!