Likelihood of an age waiver.

[Iron1386]

In this day in age with Trump in office, what do you think the chances of me getting an age wavier? When all my friends joined I instead traveled and took a muay thai carrier. I'm 30 years old now turning 31 in Aug. I'm in great physical condition and can mostly scare fairly high on the ASVAB. I just have a HS degree since at 17 I took the test to get out early instead of finishing to work. No college credits.

Now and since as of lately I don't want to say I never served. I can join the army, but would much rather be a marine. Also as a side note. Because of friends an family I have spent more time on Camp Pendleton than most active duty Marines will ever spend there.

I just wanted honest opinions on my chances on getting an age waiver. Also mos I would be going for is 0311 or 2111 if that makes a difference. Thank you for reading and responding to this when you get the chance.

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[crazymjb]

Did you ask a recruiter? I think its probably possible if that's all you need, but only a recruiter will be able to give you a solid answer. Your time spent on Pendleton has no bearing on anything.

As far as MOS goes, for active duty you can select a field, and at SOI there will be a wish list (if you choose infantry). Armorer and infantryman are two very different jobs.

Mike

[Tennessee Top]

What the hell is a muay thai carrier? I may want one.

[Iron1386]

Na we dont get payed a lot. Traveled a lot though.

[03GyRene]

I appreciate your desire to serve in the Marines, and understand that you are in good shape. The physical demands of boot camp would probably not be a problem for you. But, you have to know that you would most likely be the oldest guy in your unit. Once you get out into the Fleet, you would be older than your platoon leader and even your company commander, and would be older than the other junior marines you work with by a DECADE. That can mess with your mind! Are you up for that?

[Haddock]

Assuming you make the grade and get assigned to the FMF (or wherever), you can almost count on being called "Pop" and be the designated beer gopher. With the majority of your peers under 21, you can be sure there will be a fair amount of peer pressure.

You are also pushing the age where you age peers are driving desks and pushing paper. You would be well-served to seek an MOS that is a bit less strenuous than being first loader on an M4 bullet launcher (0311). There is nothing shameful about being "in the rear with the gear," and a whole lot less wear and tear on your aging body.

Just some friendly advice from someone who was already feeling old when I got out after 10 years in uniform. Humping the MOS of 0311 is a young man's job. Not to say it hasn't or can't be done, just it might be the wiser choice not to do it.

[m14ed]

What the hell is a muay thai carrier?

I may want one.

TOP
I been looking for a bartender who might know how
to mix one ?
and a MotorVehicle Dealership that may be able
to tell me the options offered -
but so far -
this is what i came up with ???

http://www.muaythaiworlds.com/history.php.htm

The history of Muay Thai is the history of the Thai people and muay thai camp .

When the Burmese army sacked and razed Ayuddhaya to the ground, the archives of Thai history were lost. With them, much of the early history of Muay Thai also went.
The little we do know, comes from the writings of the Burmese, Cambodian, early European visitors and some of the chronicles of the Lanna Kingdom - Chiangmai. There are many muay thai camps in thailand.

What all sources agree on, is that Muay Thai began as a close combat battlefield fighting skill. More deadly than the weapons it replaced.

As to where Muay Thai came from, its evolution, the sources aren't clear and often contradict each other. But there are two main theories.

One says that the art developed as the Thai people moved down from China; honed in the struggle for land. The other theory says that the Thai people were already here and that Muay Thai developed to defend the land and people from constant invasion threats.

The second, while controversial, has considerable academic backing and archaeological evidence. The first is, however, possible as the area opened up to the early pioneers.

What is known is that Muay Thai was an essential part of Thai culture right from its dawn. And in Thailand, it's the sport of kings.

In olden days, national issues were decided by Muay Thai contests.

The first great upsurge of interest in Muay Thai as a sport, as well as a battlefield skill, was under King Naresuan in 1584, a time known as the Ayuddhaya period. During this period, every soldier trained in Muay Thai and could use it, as the King himself did. Slowly Muay Thai moved away from its root in the 'Chupasart' and new fighting techniques were evolving.

The change in the art was to continue under another fighting King - Prachao Sua - the Tiger King. He loved Muay Thai so much that he often fought incognito in village contests, beating the local champions. During the reign of the Tiger King the nation was at peace. The King, to keep the army busy, ordered it to train in Muay Thai. The interest in the sport was already high but now it took off yet again.

Thai Boxing became the favourite sport and pastime of the people, the army and the King. Historical sources show that people from all walks of life flocked to training camps. Rich, poor, young and old all wanted some of the action. Every village staged its prize fights and had its champions. Every bout became a betting contest as well as a contest of local pride. The betting tradition has remained with the sport and today large sums are wagered on the outcome of fights.


Thai boxing has always been popular but like most sports, there have been times when it was more in fashion. In the reign of King Rama V, many Muay Thai matches were Royal Command fights. These boxers were rewarded with military titles from the King. Today the titles, like Muen Muay Mee Chue from Chaiya or Muen Muay Man Mudh from Lopburi are virtually untranslatable. They mean something comparable to Major of Boxing. At the timethey were much prized and respected titles.

The Rama V period was another golden age for Muay Thai. Boxing camps were set up, talent scouts - at Royal Command - recruited potential boxers from up country. Match makers began to make the great matches which were fought for big prizes and honour. This thrilled the people then as much as the main bouts do today at the Bangkok boxing stadiums.

The matches then were not fought in a ring as we know it today - for Muay Thai that is a recent innovation. Any available space of the right size was used, a courtyard, a village clearing.

It wasn't till the reign of King Rama VI that the standard ring surrounded by ropes came into use, as did time keeping by the clock. Before this period, time keeping was done by floating a pierced coconut shell on a boat of water. When the coconut piece sank, a drum signalled the end of the round.

Muay Thai has always been a sport for the people as well as a military fighting skill. In all its golden ages, the people have trained and practiced the sport whether they were King or commoner. It was a part of the school curriculum right up to the 1920's when it was withdrawn because it was felt that the injury rate was too high. The people however, continued to study it in gyms and clubs just as they do today.

For centuries the army fostered Muay Thai. Soldiers have trained and used the techniques for as long as there has been an army in Thailand. For the military it has always been the close combat fighting skill, the martial art of the battlefield. When a Thai soldier fights hand to hand he uses Muay Thai. But then so does every Thai person, male or female. Watching it, learning it, copying it is a part of Thai childhood. It always has been.

The people have always followed the sport and have been instrumental in moving it from the battlefield to the ring. They have been as much a part of making it a sport as have the Kings. One of the prime movers in transforming the sport was the Tiger King, who not only influenced fighting styles but also the equipment.

During the reign of the Tiger King, the hands and forearms began being bound with strips of horse hair. This was to serve a dual purpose - protect the fighter and inflict more damage on the opponent. Later, these were replaced by hemp ropes or starched strips of cotton. For particular challenge matches and with the fighters agreement, ground glass was mixed with glue and spread on the strips.

The changes that the sport has undergone have been changes to equipment used rather than radical change. For example, Thai fighters have always worn groin guards. A kick or knee to the groin was a perfectly legal move up until the 1930's. In the early days, the protection was made from tree bark or sea shells held in place with a piece of cloth tied between the legs and around the waist.

The groin guard later became a triangular shaped pillow, red or blue, tied around the waist with a through strap between the legs.

The pillow went, after a boxer on a trip to Malaysia saw a groin box. He came back with the idea, which is close to the original idea of the sea shell and since then, Muay Thai fighters have used them.

The 1930's saw the most radical change in the sport. It was then that it was codified and today's rules and regulations were introduced. Rope bindings of the arms and hands were abandoned and gloves took their place.

This innovation was also in response to the growing success of Thai Boxers in international boxing.

Along with the introduction of gloves, came weight classes based on the international boxing divisions. These and other innovations - such as the introduction of five rounds - substantially altered the fighting techniques that the boxers used causing some of them to disappear.

Before the introduction of weight classes, a fighter could and did fight all comers regardless of size and weight differences. However, the introduction of the weight classes meant that the fighters were more evenly matched and instead of there being one champion, there became one for each weight class.

Most Muay Thai fighters belong to the lighter weight classes. Seventy percent of all fighters belong to the fly and bantam weight divisions. There are welterweight and middleweight fights but they are not seen that often and the heavier categories seldom fight.

The establishment of stadiums, instead of makeshift rings and courtyards, began during the reign of Rama VII before the Second World War. During the war, they gradually disappeared but mushroomed again soon afterwards - Muay Thai had not lost any of its appeal. The boxers from up-country once again headed toward fame and fortune in Bangkok.

The glory could be found at stadiums like Rajdamnern and Lumpinee. Later, they fought in full colour fury on television. Thailand's Channel 7 started broadcasting the fights in colour over 20 years ago. Today all four Thai television stations broadcast free to millions of Muay Thai fans throughout Thailand - four nights a week.

The battle art has evolved into a popular sport. Ruled, codified and now with five three minute rounds, each with a two minute recovery period between rounds.

Those old timers around today who fought before the second world war, lament the changes bought about by the standardisation of the sport. The three minute round and weight classes has, they say, changed the sport as they remembered it.

"We had to fight all comers," one recalls. "Had to know all the tricks of the trade. We used strikes and techniques these fighters haven't even been taught. We didn't have these breaks and instead fought 'till one of us dropped."

They are also right. Muay Thai has changed across the years. Changed and evolved from a battlefield close quarters killing ground technique based on a fighting tradition passed on from generation to generation up to the present time.

But despite the changes of history, Muay Thai has lost none of its exotic appeal and even mystique. Muay Thai is still the fighting art to beat. The fighting art that defeats all challenges from Kung Fu, Karate, Taekwando and the latest kickboxing fashions. They have all come to Thailand, not just once but many times and from many places to test themselves.

Muay Thai has lost none of its appeal in Thailand. The television fight broadcasts rate among the Kingdom's most popular programmes.

In the provinces, villages cluster around any available TV to watch. In the city, people disappear from the streets while Thailand is watching Muay Thai.

Thai Boxing is also becoming increasingly popular outside of Thailand. It has its enthusiasts and practitioners in the Americas, Australia, Japan, Europe, as well as in many other countries around the world.

The illustrious history of Muay Thai will continue as it receives greater recognition and gains in international popularity. If you want know more about muay thai camp , please contact any muay thai camps in thailand for more information .

reference http://www.wmtc.nu/

[Iron1386]

Assuming you make the grade and get assigned to the FMF (or wherever), you can almost count on being called "Pop" and be the designated beer gopher. With the majority of your peers under 21, you can be sure there will be a fair amount of peer pressure.

You are also pushing the age where you age peers are driving desks and pushing paper. You would be well-served to seek an MOS that is a bit less strenuous than being first loader on an M4 bullet launcher (0311). There is nothing shameful about being "in the rear with the gear," and a whole lot less wear and tear on your aging body.

Just some friendly advice from someone who was already feeling old when I got out after 10 years in uniform. Humping the MOS of 0311 is a young man's job. Not to say it hasn't or can't be done, just it might be the wiser choice not to do it.

Ya thinking about it armorer might be more useful in civilian life. Haven't talked to a recruiter yet. But Just wanted to ask on here if I would be wasting my time or not. Going to be 31, GED, no college credits.....Might be a long shot to get in no?

Side note. Heard rumors they are changing the active duty age like the other branches recently. At all true or just smoke?

[crazymjb]

I don't know that armorer would be any more marketable than infantry. An infantryman should more or less be a master of their weapons systems. If you are a Machinegunner for example, a good chunk of your time in SOI will be spent learning the ins, outs, and function of the weapons system. That knowledge should only go deeper with experience and mentorship.

Mike

[Haddock]

You may also want to consider the USMC Reserve. Back in the day, USMCR had more leeway on age restrictions because of the longer expected period of service.

You'd still have to complete Boot and ITR/AIT and MOS training while active, however, after your initial training, you have a much lighter training schedule. This is something that changes constantly, so you need to check with a recruiter. The up side, is you could complete your college and go for a warrant or a commission where the age differential is a completely different situation.

[crazymjb]

My caveat with the reserves would be if you don't have a civilian career you enjoy or that's working out, I don't think you'll be much better off in life for being a reservist. I did a little over 6 years in the reserves, for me it worked ut great. I joined at 18, got deployed when I was 21, and then finished up when I was 24. That said, I didn't have meaningful financial help with college until the backside of that deployment.

If your goal is college, join the Guard and they will pay for it out the gate, they are also much more accommodating with commissioning if that's your end goal (you'll still need college). Otherwise, go active duty and have the full GI bill available when you get out.

Mike