Aviation Electronics Technition

[StoneTheWeak]

Pensacola is a really nice base. It's just the policy thing. He's AMS-2 (and btw, to the original post you will be in AMS-2 when you get to Pensacola for MOS school - AMS2 is Avionics and electronics stuff. AMS1 is Airframe, Powerplant, Aircrew, AS/GSE, PR/AME), and I'm in AMS-1 and we got it even worse than them. All the Marines getting in troubles literally every night, just imagine group of drunk Marines with sailors and airmen... It's almost same thing with 29 Palms except the raking sand and that stupid game part. Our liberty policy goes Red, Yellow, Green, and FINALLY Blue-unrestricted overnight on weekend (just came out we've been waiting for this for about 2 months now.) We have to check out with 2 buddies and all that stuff.

AMS-1 Duty Section is just chaos. We have 4 duty section rotating everyday and every weekend. Formation 1745 to who knows, we have about 100 in each duty section and we do the muster, then we fill out post roster that goes from 1800 to 1800. We have 17 posts rotating every 3 hours (H Barracks - ID, Phone, 5 Wings, 1 Female Wing, 2 Outside Rover, 1 Deck Rover // G Barracks - ID, Deck Rover // 602 Barracks - ID, Deck Rover, 2 Outside Rover) plus daytime we have 2 schoolhouse ID watch... G Barracks is Air Force barracks and I don't know why we do their posts. lol. After post roster we do the cleaning part, so it's usually at least an hour just standing in formation. Then if SDO wants to be an @ss they make us form back up outside and take muster. It's hell on the days you have duty section, and imagine us fighting over who gets duty on 72/96 weekends, lol. I thought we didn't have any firewatch stuff after MCT.. but nope! It just gets better haha.

And retread09, yes we still do have indoc leaders, deck leaders, duty section leaders, post nazi, barrack support leaders, etc. who are all brand new Privates and PFCs who's been here maybe 2-3 months, and we play that stupid "who's been here longer (even if it's just a week) games." That's also part of the reason why the formations and musters take forever, lol. And then one day a PFC who was becoming a LCpl appointed as indoc leader thought he was the hot s*** and got NJP'd and counseled for hazing not so long ago.

We have the same thing going on, but the 200 barracks support kids waiting to class up take care of all the posts except 1800-2200, that's duty section. I was only barracks support for 2 days, thanks to my last name beginning in A. It's no real surprise why Marines go UA here. My buddy wanted to go home to see his grandmother who's got cancer, I believe, and his special lib chit got denied. All because the CO wants everyone to earn condition 4 first.


Long as he gets the check in the box though right? The only way to get special lib now just about is if you're condition 4, which defeats the ENTIRE purpose of special lib. The idea of special lib is for marines who cannot earn condition 4 (barracks support) or who have extenuating circumstances to leave for the weekend. I know that if someone in my family were sick and dieing and they told me I couldn't leave I would be gone anyways, sorry sir, have the charge sheet ready when I get back.

[PaidinBlood]

Hello Marines and fellow poolees.

I tried searching for my MOS here. Does anyone have any information on this MOS? From the information I gathered...

BA- Aviation Electronics Technition
5900 Electronics Maintenance
6300/6400 Aviation Electronics
6600 Aviation Logistics

So what would really help is Where the MOS school is located? and What is the basics?


Thank you.

Call me an A-hole but I think misspelling the job title might be a DQ...I'm just saying....

[yoitsfrank]

Sorry it took so long to post back, i dont have a computer. But thank you all for the information, and sorry for the typos.

[xpaz]

My buddy wanted to go home to see his grandmother who's got cancer, I believe, and his special lib chit got denied. All because the CO wants everyone to earn condition 4 first.

Long as he gets the check in the box though right? The only way to get special lib now just about is if you're condition 4, which defeats the ENTIRE purpose of special lib. The idea of special lib is for marines who cannot earn condition 4 (barracks support) or who have extenuating circumstances to leave for the weekend.

That's not true necessarily. You're more likely to get it approved if you are Condition 4, mostly because to get Condition 4 you have to have proven yourself to some degree. Be it a 1st class PFT and high percentage in classes, or an Ironman PFT. I know a few who have gotten their special lib approved in AWAT and ATT (and 1 in barracks support), but the barracks support group haven't been here long enough to get their feet wet, and are more unlikely to get it.

Barracks support isn't lasting as long as it was a few months ago -- a lot of them are classing up within 2-3 weeks, whereas the last "cycle" had been here for nearly 3-5 months or more! Which is probably why some of the older generation of barracks support had more success getting their lib granted.

It's no surprise that they're hesitant to grant special lib to Marines who've only been on base for 2 weeks, but it doesn't really have much to do with whether you're condition 4 or not.

[Supersquishy]

If you're going to go airwing (I was 6332) make sure that your priorities are around 80/20 as far as technical work/actually being a Marine
The squadron needs quality technicians and everything else is a FAR second.

Ditto, I was an airwinger, never put on an LBV, flackjacket, or pack in my enlistment(out in the fleet). I did however put on a kevlar helmet during swimqual( one time in 4 years). Shot at the rifle range every other year(expert). They say your a rifleman first and your mos second. Its actually the other way around in the airwing, Fixing jets 5-7 days a week, group pt once a year.
If you want more grunt work, get a MOS with infintry work.

[JGiddens]

Retreads post on the first page is pretty accurate. If youre airwing and someone isnt b1tching about how things are going, you should worry, because things are REALLY bad. Aviation Electronics is probably the most boring job I have ever had... except for when I was deployed on USS Enterprise... that was pretty sweet. You wont see much PT, unless youre stationed in MCAS Beaufort and you have to run with the BCP chunky guys and gals... or mentor them, which means you just have to run with them even though you dont need the remedial PT (my case).
If youre willing to learn the job, its not bad. It all depends on where youre stationed and who your SNCOIC and NCOIC is really... I was lucky and had great supervision. My instructor from C school was actually my supervisor in Beaufort, which was awesome. We became great friends and I really looked up to him. You know who you are, Sgt Badie! You crazy f*ck.

[MarineCorpsMama]

I know this is a day late and a dollar short...but, my young Marine son is down in NAS, and all was well until recently. WTF happened to my Corps, where Marines rat out other Marines for minor stuff? Seriously. It is BS down there from what he told me. It was never like that when I went to school at the Stumps. And, you're right - it appears the NCO's/SNCO's are NJP happy - inflicting "discilpline" as deemed necessary over the most minor things. To me, it's ridiculous. It used to be if you had an issue with a fellow Marine, you settle it amoungst yourselves. You didn't cry to your PLT Sergeant, wahhhhhhhh, my feelings are hurt, wahhhhhhhh. I was hoping my son would have a good beginning experience his first few months in the Corps, not this crap. Bunch of freaking crybabies down there. I told him he should request another MOS - like Infantry, so he's around real Marines, as it seems he's surrounded by non-marines.

[JGiddens]

A real Marine doesn't wine and complain to their NCOs/SNCOs or their mother, but that's just my two cents. Cut the apron strings mom, I assume he can handle himself.

[MarineCorpsMama]

A real Marine doesn't wine and complain to their NCOs/SNCOs or their mother, but that's just my two cents. Cut the apron strings mom, I assume he can handle himself.

Listen buckshot, he wasn't whining. It was merely an observation I was making about how different it was when I was in 20 plus years ago. It was a few other Privates that were whining and crying to their NCO/SNCO's, mommies. The strings are cut, you...... If they weren't, do you think he would be in my Corps? He comes from a family of Marines - and his own Grandfather was at Guadacanal and Tarawa (rest in peace Grandpa).

[commdog7]

When a Marine disregards the rules and regulations, they deserve to be punished. It's what keeps us the most highly disciplined fighting force in the world. If your son broke the rules, he's going to have to take responsibility and accept the consequences of his actions- that's what Marines do.

There's a difference between snitching and reporting a violation. Snitching involves something minor and irrelavent, and is only taken up the chain for personal glory. Reporting a violation involves a significant incident where rules are broken. This will undermine unit discipline, and Marines need to have the moral courage to report such events- such as smoking or underaged drinking in the barracks. Marines are not laxed when it comes to standards; real Marines know how to balance loyalty with integrity.

That being said, I do disagree with the forms of punishment implimented these days. I think physical punishment is better than paperwork, as an NJP can really damage a Marine's career. But years ago, Marines took physical punishment too far so the Corps eliminated that and switched over to paperwork instead. Either way, if a Marine breaks the rules without a good reason, I have absolutely no sympathy for them. Their poor judgement got them into the situation they are in; they will have to learn discipline one way or another.

[MarineCorpsMama]

Whatever. Thanks for the education of being a Marine. The point I was trying to make is that the Corps is a lot different than back when I was in. No thanks to MOA, and PC, and "dont ask, dont tell" He's got a great attitude, and is very proud to be a Marine. As I stated earlier, he is literally a Devil Pup - his dad, me (his mom), uncle, two grand-dads are/were all Marines. I particulary do not care for the whiners and the complainers. No time for that. Didn't like them back then, and don't like them still. And, you are right - there is a HUGE difference between "snitching" and "reporting a violation". It seemed like a lot of "snitching". Simple observation from my perspective, being that I was in probably when you were still in your diapers. I know/knew of some over zealous NCO's who let the rank get to their head, until they matured to SSGT or Gunny. In any event, my kid is right as rain, no problems, no trouble, and proud to be what he is. A Marine. Semper Fi Dogs.

[commdog7]

I wish to have a Marine-to-Marine intelligent discussion about the workings of the Corps. What I do not want is to be disrespected because of my age and mos. So what if I was born in '87, does that make me any less of a Marine? I have been in 4.5 year and served in Iraq, Cuba, Africa, and a few other countries. But because I wasn't born 20 years earlier, my experiences are worthless in this discussion? Because I'm not infantry, I'm not a "real" Marine? FYI, there is another female Marine on this site who served in the '60s, I guess you aren't worthy of a discussion with her since you were in diapers when she was in the Corps. Let's not play this game.

We got off on the wrong foot, but all is forgiven. If you respect me, I will respect you. What do you want to discuss?

[MarineCorpsMama]

Devil Dog, no disrespect intended. I guess I got hot under the collar as well with the 1st reply to my post (not yours) - "any real Marine...." and "cut the strings". That highly offended me. Not only am I a Devil Dog, but a Mama Bear and a Leo... ha ha! Seriously though, I was just making a general observation based on the thread and also what my kid told me about what is going on there. I am in total agreement with you. Physical punishment is better than an NJP, especially when they are young Marines just starting out. You are absolutely correct in stating that can hurt a young Marines career. My humble opinion is that the punishment should fit the crime. Now, I am not saying he was in trouble (because he was not), I am just saying based on what I've seen in the thread and what he has told me about the "goings on". It just seemed like way back then, when I was young and spry - that things were handled differently. It seems to me that what used to be insignificant is such a big deal now. And, I blame the MOA (mothers of america) and the PC garbage with which we have to "abide" by now. PC is crap. Common courtesy and respect towards each other is all that is needed, not PC. Therefore, young Marine friend of mine, I apologize, as my intent was not to offend YOU. I am proud of my younger brothers and sisters serving now, and proud of my older brothers and sisters who served before me, and proud of my brothers and sisters who served with me. But, most of all, I am very proud of my son, who chose to become one of us. And, thank you CommDog7 for serving in our Corps.

[MarineCorpsMama]

p.s. - Awesome on your tours of duty CommDog7! I hope my son gets to have the same experience.

[commdog7]

I agree that the punishment should fit the crime. If any Marine feels that their punishment is too harsh, they do have options available. There is nothing wrong with requesting mast or in extreme cases, appealling an NJP to court-martial. There are some Marines out there who are NJP-happy, but there are ways to out-play those Marines. Sometimes even the threat of requesting mast or appealling an NJP can scare Marines into throwing out an NJP charge. I know the Corps has changed a lot over the years, but the issue of fairness is the same (if not better) than years prior.

There are a lot of opportunities to travel and do some really cool stuff in the Corps; you have to want it and know where to look. Right after hitting the fleet, I went to Iraq and straight into MSG duty- I am typing this from somewhere in Europe. I've met President Bush, SecState Condi Rice, Hillary Clinton, Joint Chiefs of Staff member, CMC Hagee, SgtMajMC Estrada, Chuck Norris, Dan Rooney (owner of the Pittsburg Steelers), and a few other famous people while in the Corps. I believe most Marines can have similar experiences if they play their cards right. Marines can volunteer to deploy to a combat zone or a MEU if they want to see other parts of the world. MSG duty is a great way to see other countries and meet some interesting people. I have no doubt your son can do it too if that's the route he wants to go. If he decides to go MSG, I'd be willing to pass down some knowledge and help him in any way I can. Semper Fi