I Just Don't Get It

[Majesty305]

I don't understand where all the pacifism is coming from!
I don't get it. IT ****ES ME OFF!!!!! Marines, Poolees, Dudes.
There are people in this world that will never give any recognition to any of our fallen Marines, Sailors, Soilders, Airmen, Coasties. And i don't know why. People recognize a community college kid, but not an 18 year old Hero. There are many few who do. Many organizations, but why not the public? Why is it that we seem like some sort of war criminals?

[josephd]

Well what alot of people dont understand I think and maybe yourself also because you used the word "pacafism" is that just because we are Marines (i/we havent earned that title yet i know, just saying) doesn't mean we are war and violence advocaters, it just means when duty calls that involves both those things that we are their ready to take it head on and be proud to do so.

Most also do not get that we are volunterring to put our life on the line at a moments notice to save the very freedoms that those "most" enjoy

[Achped]

A Marine on here, excuse me if Im wrong, but I believe it was fistfu, said it perfectly.

No one has ever asked me what good I've done, only how many people I've killed.

Live with it man. Believe it or not there are people in this world who will let an armed man break into their house, rape their wife, kill their kids and then turn the gun at them and blow them away before ever advocating violence against another individual.

You can't reason with people like that. All you can do is become a warrior and let the sheep be sheep.

[JOConnell]

Its said it takes a wolf to catch a wolf... Of course the sheep group all the wolves into one sterotype, even if some of the wolves are serving the sheep.

[davblay]

A Marine on here, excuse me if Im wrong, but I believe it was fistfu, said it perfectly.

No one has ever asked me what good I've done, only how many people I've killed.

Live with it man. Believe it or not there are people in this world who will let an armed man break into their house, rape their wife, kill their kids and then turn the gun at them and blow them away before ever advocating violence against another individual.

You can't reason with people like that. All you can do is become a warrior and let the sheep be sheep.

Dam Matt, you really can post a serious post can't you? That was one of the best replies I have ever seen you post! I agree with you 100%.

Semper Fi L/Cpl Garrison!

Dave

[SlaveToTheCorps]

I'm not a Marine, but I know when I enlisted I didn't do it for the recognition from anyone. I didn't feel 'special' for doing what so many men & women did before I was born. I agree it's pretty screwy the way people take the freedoms we have for granted, when men began risking their lives for this country so many years ago. Unfortunately, that is the way people have been brought-up, to take advantage and not so much as care about the person beside them. My former high school has a wall that has pictures & stories about all the people who graduated who choose to serve our country. Kids walked by everyday and never looked in to see that some of them are still their age. It doesn’t click in their heads that if wasn’t for them risking their lives, who knows where we’d be.

You mentioned that the people serving are viewed as war criminals, are you truly shocked? When I was still in school, I had a teacher who hated anyone in the military; he was a war protester during Vietnam. He was my Honors US History & Honors US Government teacher, so I had him back to back classes. He assigned us a paper the first day of class to write about what made us proud to be US Citizens; I wrote about the veterans I met through my grandfather and the way I was proud of our US history. I failed that paper, horribly. It was like that all semester, writing papers & having to re-do them for failure to understand the assignment, for being argumentative during debates (still don’t get that) and talking back when he would express his views inappropriately. I was told that I didn’t know what I was talking about and had I lived through true conflict, I’d feel much different. Amazingly enough, after talking to my parents, my dean & the school superintendent (Retired Marine) I barely passed the class. It is the people like that who cause people to hate the military. It’s the teachers who speak badly on the past conflicts, it’s the school counselors who tell you you’re an idiot if you join instead of going to college, and it’s the people who need to have an opinion when they’ve never served a day in their life that causes the ignorance that is around the world now.

When you have someone like Natalie(?) from the Dixie Chicks speak-out against our President in another country, it reflects negatively. When you have teenagers who have read a book, or overheard a political opinion and adapt it as their own because they want to be different, it causes stupidity to be sprouted. All the same when you have US Troops overseas and you have those few that do ‘bad’ things, while under a microscope it makes all those people who hate them already scream ‘WE KNEW IT & THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!’.

I know when I was in the DEP we worked with a few of the local VFW’s & the Marine Corps League to volunteer our time to really talk to Veterans. It was by far the most humbling experience, speaking to men & woman whose lives were put on hold to serve in battles they didn’t necessarily agree with but served proudly regardless. My grandfather is becoming increasingly ill and he’s a WWII Veteran, I have been working with my mom to videotape him speaking about his experiences while serving in the Army Air Corps. It’s amazing, he’s my grandfather and I have always been proud of him, but to hear him speak about what he did is amazing.

This has gotten quite long-winded and for that I apologize, but may I ask you a question? What have you done, besides enlist, that makes you stand-out in a community that doesn’t publicly recognize it’s Veterans?

Respectfully,
Vanessa-Rose

[davblay]

I don't understand where all the pacifism is coming from!
I don't get it. IT ****ES ME OFF!!!!! Marines, Poolees, Dudes.
There are people in this world that will never give any recognition to any of our fallen Marines, Sailors, Soilders, Airmen, Coasties. And i don't know why. People recognize a community college kid, but not an 18 year old Hero. There are many few who do. Many organizations, but why not the public? Why is it that we seem like some sort of war criminals?

We can thank the media for a lot of the negative crap about our military! Anything good done is not news worthy! I think of the Flag raising on Iwo, when the three survivors came home to a HERO's WELCOME and were used to sell WAR BONDS! That was good NEWS for our country and the sold a lot of War Bonds.

But now a days, if a crime is committed, on the streets in any city, USA, the Media digs first to see if the suspect served in the military, then the healines read "FORMER MARINE KILLED SO AND SO"! But if that same Marine saves a dozen peoples lives during a disaster they just mention his name, maybe, not his military background....not news worthy!

There is an old saying, "Do a thousand goods and no one remembers, but make one mistake and everyone remembers"!

Dave

[MyCorps]

Very well stated Ahped.

[jinelson]

Dang Matt right on bro what a refreshing surprise.

Jim

[Chumley]

He may have dipped it into a smart woman and caught something good?
LCpl Achped Wolf is the future shepherd!
SFi
C

[NicholasITALY]

I want to join the Marines for many reasons, but I don't expect to be called hero from many people. I know some will call us heros, some will call us killers, etc. But I don't care. Yes it's good to hear THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I would really appreciate that.
But I'll tell you what.. Marines don't argue about where they should or should not intervene. The mission is everything.
If I do something good to some people, I know that I and those people will remember me for what I've done. And I'll tell you what, I would like to help those people, but I would even like to kill them all for what they have done to the United States. "We're no better friend, no worse enemy" - " We are the Nation's first land of defense, but if you do something wrong to the Country, we're the last people you wanna see coming at your door".

Again I say I would really appreciate a thank you from the people. But if they don't it's ok, I don't care, I know that I did something good for the Country. Because they just talk, but who got the balls to serve the United States of America risking the life?
I will be proud to say I have served the United States of America as a U.S. Marine.
No matter what people say.
"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
We do it because we feel to do it.


Devil Pup.
Nick.

[AL49BGN]

Great Post Achped!Its Like That In Civilian Life As Well.Do We Ever Hear Of The Heroism Of A Police Officer Or The Good Some School Teacher Did.All We Hear About Is How Some Officer Violated Some Scum**gs Rights Or How Some Teacher Slept With A Student.Bad News Sells And Then You Add A Some Political Bias And That Is What We Get.
When It Comes To Our Military It Is Even Worse Because These Reporters Have A Certain Political Agenda.How Can The NY Times Write Editorials About How We Need To Give Up The Fight And Pull Out While Reporting On The Front Page That The Surge Has Worked And That Iraq Is Gaining Some Normalcy.They Rather Write Stories Comparing Haditha To Mai Lai Without Even Having The Facts.That Is Why Their Readership And Subscriptions Are Down Big Time.

[Integrity57]

Gotta love the media!! Back around March or so there was an issue of the Marine Corps Times that tried to completely condemn a platoon of MARSOC Marines for "War Crimes" they had commited during their first operational deployment to Iraq, quoting unidentified Army officers who served as their chain of command in theatre, as saying they ignored direct orders and were "Cowboys." The MARINE CORPS TIMES printed this! And that's not the only scandal they've tried to capitalize on, and the Army, Navy, and Air Force times are just as guilty of trying to sensationalize such stories. It's disgraceful that publications that bear the name of our respective services would try to **** on us for the entire world to see. But **** 'em, they'll never know the pride of serving their nation and proudly wearing the uniform you've earned with blood, sweat and tears.

[NicholasITALY]

Gotta love the media!! Back around March or so there was an issue of the Marine Corps Times that tried to completely condemn a platoon of MARSOC Marines for "War Crimes" they had commited during their first operational deployment to Iraq, quoting unidentified Army officers who served as their chain of command in theatre, as saying they ignored direct orders and were "Cowboys." The MARINE CORPS TIMES printed this! And that's not the only scandal they've tried to capitalize on, and the Army, Navy, and Air Force times are just as guilty of trying to sensationalize such stories. It's disgraceful that publications that bear the name of our respective services would try to **** on us for the entire world to see. But **** 'em, they'll never know the pride of serving their nation and proudly wearing the uniform you've earned with blood, sweat and tears.

Well said Sailor!

[JoeD]

Gotta love the media!! Back around March or so there was an issue of the Marine Corps Times that tried to completely condemn a platoon of MARSOC Marines for "War Crimes" they had commited during their first operational deployment to Iraq, quoting unidentified Army officers who served as their chain of command in theatre, as saying they ignored direct orders and were "Cowboys." The MARINE CORPS TIMES printed this! And that's not the only scandal they've tried to capitalize on, and the Army, Navy, and Air Force times are just as guilty of trying to sensationalize such stories. It's disgraceful that publications that bear the name of our respective services would try to **** on us for the entire world to see. But **** 'em, they'll never know the pride of serving their nation and proudly wearing the uniform you've earned with blood, sweat and tears.

I thought this happened in Afganhistan?