Poolees, this is why you don't do stupid things on the internet....

[Isrowei]

But with all due respect, sir, I mostly agree with what you're saying. I guess the tattoo thing is just a matter of personal opinion.

Semper Fi
-CPL Maines

Let me be clear on this because I think we're saying the same thing. I don't like the tattoo or the fact that the kid got the tattoo in the first place. Sure it's presumptuous. And yeah it's probably a dumb move for boot camp (but to what degree really depends on the DI team he gets). This is my personal opinion on it.

But my point of contention is for the Marines who responded to the poolee. Totally inappropriate. Regardless of their feelings on the subject, their conduct was lacking for what is universally expected of Marines and especially Marine NCOs.

[rvillac2]

At Ease, Marines. One thing the Mods and I are sure to agree on here is that we will maintain our bearing on these boards. We are wearing the ranks of NCOs and, as an example to the wannabees, we'll show all due respect to each other.

Carry on.

[testforecho2112]

rvillac2, you are entirely correct. LT, I'll respond via PM.

[Jonny Destroyer]

Let me be clear on this because I think we're saying the same thing. I don't like the tattoo or the fact that the kid got the tattoo in the first place. Sure it's presumptuous. And yeah it's probably a dumb move for boot camp (but to what degree really depends on the DI team he gets). This is my personal opinion on it.

But my point of contention is for the Marines who responded to the poolee. Totally inappropriate. Regardless of their feelings on the subject, their conduct was lacking for what is universally expected of Marines and especially Marine NCOs.

Well in that case, yes, I see where you're coming from 100%. It doesnt reflect well on the Corps to have Marines (especially NCOs who have been around awhile and are supposed to lead by example) blasting someone who wishes to join the Marines. Yeah, you probably could have said something to him stating it probably wasnt the smartest move to get that tattoo before boot camp, but hey, what can you do now? Its too late. Its there on his skin for life. That thread was made specifically to humiliate and bash that kid.

Maybe the Marines wanted to "make an example out of him", but there are several other ways to go about doing that. Now, if he went around saying he WAS a Marine, I could understand why someone would be so angry. But that wasnt the case.

Just let it be a lesson to any poolee reading this: Dont be dumb and get a tattoo like that before you've earned the right to be called "Marine".

[Isrowei]

#1 - I still maintain that I did make the right choice the first time. Just because you say otherwise doesn't mean I'm going along with you or even that you are right. And clearly, I'm not the only one who thinks or feels the way I do about it.

Your call. I can back my opinion up with principles of Marine Corps leadership among other things. I'm only calling for accountability and that Marines act in a manner that is worthy of example. Especially if they are addressing poolees and future Marines.

Tell me what is so wrong with that?

#2 - It's not hard to make a fuss on the internet. And I find it extremely amusing how easy it is for me to ruffle other people's feathers.

So your intent is to "ruffle feathers", not to mentor and educate. I think that pretty much defines you as a trouble-maker.

#3 - I stand behind EVERY F-bomb I dropped in each and every one of my posts. And I intend to post many more in the future. So stay tuned. Plus, it's obvious on this web site that they like to fill in all the words I like to use with *'s.

I suppose you enjoy MySpace because vulgarity goes unchecked. I suppose this is best example of a Marine NCO you can muster.

#4 - Marines on high horses are lame. Do others respond well to you talking down to them? To me, it just makes you look like a self-righteous prick and in the end, lowers my regard for you.

I assure you I do not care one bit for your regard. You represent the bottom 10% of Marines. The only saving grace is that you're no longer an active presence in the Corps.

#5 - Don't try and pass judgement on my intelligence and/or ability to interact with other Marines (or anyone for that matter) based on one thread you saw on MySpace today.

I don't. You've shown quite well what your character without me having to do anything at all.

Let me enlighten you. Your self-righteousness makes me nauseous. Seriously. Did they teach you that at OCS or is it something you were born with? Maybe you can get a vaccination or something.

When lacking with a constructive response you resort to personal attacks?

Typical.

...Do you even have a spine? Why are you so afraid to disagree w/ an O-2? Why are you afraid to stick to your guns and your opinion? Just because someone is commissioned does not mean they are always right.

Feel free to review my history on this site or any other. I think you will find that I do not use my rank for any leverage in debate. I present my ideas based on my experience and grounded in Marine doctrine. You can disagree with me all you like, but it's a pretty hard argument to debate against the established doctrine of the Marine Corps concerning things like Leadership and mentorship.

However, if you would like to try, please feel free to articulate something more substantial than "did you get something at OCS" and "I can say what I want when I want".

[Jonny Destroyer]

I assure you I do not care one bit for your regard. You represent the bottom 10% of Marines. The only saving grace is that you're no longer an active presence in the Corps.

Ok, first of all, SICK burn...hahaha...moving on...

Feel free to review my history on this site or any other. I think you will find that I do not use my rank for any leverage in debate. I present my ideas based on my experience and grounded in Marine doctrine. You can disagree with me all you like, but it's a pretty hard argument to debate against the established doctrine of the Marine Corps concerning things like Leadership and mentorship.

However, if you would like to try, please feel free to articulate something more substantial than "did you get something at OCS" and "I can say what I want when I want".

Okay, I get the whole enlisted/officer battle thing. Sometimes people bump heads. But sometimes people take it way too far and personal. There are bad officers, just like there are bad enlisted. I had 2 AMAZING officers I served under. Lt. John Whitman, and Lt. Brian Stann (Awarded the Silver Star). They were two of the most knowledgable Marines I knew...and they saved our butts a LOT. Not just in combat, either.

I remember when I was in Africa, Lt. Whitman would ALWAYS walk around with his Flak Jacket on when we were on post. Why? Because we had to have our gear on. He didnt have to wear it. It wasnt a combat zone. But he chose to because he actually cared about us Marines, and he lead by example.

Im not one for the whole enlisted/commissioned battle. Yeah, its fun to poke fun at officers, because we pride ourselves on being enlisted. "Dont call me sir, I work for a living!" hahaha....but when it all comes down to it, at the end of the day we're all Marines.

[Jonny Destroyer]

PS:

We're all grown adults, lets just agree to disagree and not have the bashing of fellow Marines keep going any further. Its a bit ridiculous.

[JoeInVille]

Last time I looked this was the poolee hall not the Marine vs. Marine argueing forum Take it to another thread imo...

[Hologram]

Is it safe to say "INCOMING"? Because if it is....

[arkaryu]

not to stray away...

but apparently, I go to boot camp the same time as him and will be in the same company. hmmm

[JoeInVille]

Well I bet you will have something to laugh about after boot camp . I have a feeling the DI's will tear that guy up because of that tattoo.

[reversehalo]

Who said I wasnt sticking to my guns? Thats my personal opinion. I think you completely acted unprofessional when you told a civlian to "shut her man-pleasing c*m dumpster." That really wasnt nescissary at all.

Like I said, I dont think its right for a poolee to get any kind of USMC anything on their arm. Thats my opinion. But poolees are ignorant to our tradition and way of thinking, and sometimes they do stupid things without knowing it. Just like recruits do. Just like "boots" to the fleet do. Im sure no one told him that it wasnt something he should do.

I know you're not sorry for what you said, and thats fine. Thats whats great about America: Freedom of speech. But thats not the way I personally would have gone about it.

Which is why I agree with some (not all) of what the LT is saying.

Sorry if you have a problem with enlisted men agreeing with officers, but its possible to do.

-CPL Maines

That "civilian" claims she's a Marine.

I don't have a problem w/ enlisted agreeing w/ officers. But I do have a problem when enlisted feel obligated to agree with officers. Especially when it's a matter of opinion.

And for the record, I'm out. Not even subject to recall anymore. So, I can be as rude and crude and obscene as I want, and all you kids can act like I'm such an embarrassment and/or disgrace. Fact is, I'm not the only one who feels the way I do on the matter. I may have been a little more verbal about it. I may have been a little more crude about it. But I know I'm not the only one who feels the way I do.

[reversehalo]

Your call. I can back my opinion up with principles of Marine Corps leadership among other things. I'm only calling for accountability and that Marines act in a manner that is worthy of example. Especially if they are addressing poolees and future Marines.

Tell me what is so wrong with that?



So your intent is to "ruffle feathers", not to mentor and educate. I think that pretty much defines you as a trouble-maker.



I suppose you enjoy MySpace because vulgarity goes unchecked. I suppose this is best example of a Marine NCO you can muster.



I assure you I do not care one bit for your regard. You represent the bottom 10% of Marines. The only saving grace is that you're no longer an active presence in the Corps.



I don't. You've shown quite well what your character without me having to do anything at all.



When lacking with a constructive response you resort to personal attacks?

Typical.



Feel free to review my history on this site or any other. I think you will find that I do not use my rank for any leverage in debate. I present my ideas based on my experience and grounded in Marine doctrine. You can disagree with me all you like, but it's a pretty hard argument to debate against the established doctrine of the Marine Corps concerning things like Leadership and mentorship.

However, if you would like to try, please feel free to articulate something more substantial than "did you get something at OCS" and "I can say what I want when I want".

Newsflash regarding that other site: IT'S MYSPACE. It's not there to guide and mentor anyone. It's there for entertainment purposes and/or to reconnect with old friends.

And yes, I do enjoy getting under other people's skin sometimes. It's amusing. Marines aren't required to have a stick up their ass all day every day, you know.

Lastly, it's not lack of a constructive response. Just the way you talk to people is nauseating.

[reversehalo]

Ok, first of all, SICK burn...hahaha...moving on...

Could you be any more of an ass kiss?