Iraq may demand timetable for U.S. to get out

[eddief]

It's time to get out. We won the war, and now it's time for Iraqi boys to win the peace.

[HOLM]

It's time to get out. We won the war, and now it's time for Iraqi boys to win the peace.

Yep that is what McArthur did too.



1952... right... I am not sure when we are ever going to get out of Korea. Or Germany...

[eddief]

Yep that is what McArthur did too.



1952... right... I am not sure when we are ever going to get out of Korea. Or Germany...

We didn't fight insurgencies in these countries when these wars were over. Their governments actually welcome the money we bring into their economies. The Iraqi government, on the other hand, is split and some have begun the process of showing us the door.

[HOLM]

Nope... but whatever dude... If you want to beleive that the Japannesse after fighting WW2 for over 15 years just rolled over and gave up ... Well whatever..

We were not "welcome" as you put it... But Mcarthur didn't take any chit..

Now Germany became this huge frign mess because Americans didn't have the spine to stand up to the commies that came in and tried to take over.

I figure that counts about the same. Since the left claims that Al Queda was not in Iraq until after the war ,,, Right...

Of course Stalin was more welcome in germany than anyone would ever admit to these days... The National Socialists.... Geez...

Where the hell were Kant and Marx from again.. Gee I forget...



Yeah there was no insurgency in Germany lol .. Well at least not anything less than we face in Iraq..

[10thzodiac]

Nope... but whatever dude... If you want to beleive that the Japannesse after fighting WW2 for over 15 years just rolled over and gave up ... Well whatever..

Sheesh, HOLM, you are so full of chit ! My fathers brother was in the occupation of Japan straight from the Philippines where he lost his 1st Cousin to a Japanese sniper. I use to listen this uncles war stories for hours on end. His unit partook in the occupation of Sendai and Niigata, Japan. Never once did he say the defeated Japanese show any resistance. Quite the contrary, American GI's would walk up to a defeated Japanese soldier and cold cock them knowing the Japanese soldiers would not fight back.


We were not "welcome" as you put it... But MacArthur didn't take any chit..

And you are full of chit, MacArthur knew that the best way to occupy the country was through the Emperor and that's why Hirohito was spared as a war Criminal because he was useful. My Japanese wife still recalls hearing the emperors speech to cooperate with the American occupation. MacArthur was and still is well respected by the Japanese, more-so than MacArthur's own countrymen.

You are way to presumptive in trying to rewrite history as you are going along; to bad you couldn't use that energy to get your DD-214, but not everybody has the same priorities, do they ?

Now Germany became this huge frign mess because Americans didn't have the spine to stand up to the commies that came in and tried to take over.

I figure that counts about the same. Since the left claims that Al Queda was not in Iraq until after the war ,,, Right...

Of course Stalin was more welcome in germany than anyone would ever admit to these days... The National Socialists.... Geez...

Where the hell were Kant and Marx from again.. Gee I forget...



Yeah there was no insurgency in Germany lol .. Well at least not anything less than we face in Iraq..

10th

[HOLM]

Quite the contrary, American GI's would walk up to a defeated Japanese soldier and cold cock them knowing the Japanese soldiers would not fight back.

Hold the phone there buddy....

If you have heard all the war stories from first hand sources, you know damn well what I meant...

Can you imagine the whinning and crying we would here from the left if we ran Iraq like MacArthur did Japan... Holy Crapp...

MacArthur had complete control... From the streets to the press.. To bad we are more worried about hurting feelings these days..

Can you imagine the BS you would be spewing if we ran Iraq like MacArthur did?

Oh god... I can hear the war for oil screams getting louder by the second..



What about the commies in Germany.. My grandfather was hurt in a incident well after the German Surrender.. Are you going to tell me that Germany was smooth sailing also..

What the heck happened to people after that WW2/great depression generation anyway.. It seems they don't make men like that anymore.

[HOLM]

What about that Draft bill? Did you find it yet?


Come on "cut and paste" master... Cut that, and paste it in here...

[10thzodiac]

Hold the phone there buddy....

If you have heard all the war stories from first hand sources, you know damn well what I meant...

I'm beginning see what you mean; you know everything

Can you imagine the whinning and crying we would here from the left if we ran Iraq like MacArthur did Japan... Holy Crapp...

Brilliant comparison HOLM considering the neo-cons, conned us that Iraqis would welcome us as liberators

MacArthur had complete control... From the streets to the press.. To bad we are more worried about hurting feelings these days..

WTF, HOLM this war's name is "Iraqi Freedom", not WW II dropping atom bombs on Baghdad

Can you imagine the BS you would be spewing if we ran Iraq like MacArthur did?

Duh, WTF again HOLM the mission was to remove Saddam, not to run Iraq. MacArthur kept Hirohito to figuratively run Japan. Where TF do you get these ideas from ?

Oh god... I can hear the war for oil screams getting louder by the second..

What about the commies in Germany.. My grandfather was hurt in a incident well after the German Surrender.. Are you going to tell me that Germany was smooth sailing also..

What the heck happened to people after that WW2/great depression generation anyway.. It seems they don't make men like that anymore.

Yikes ! Give me a ****** break, you are all over the ****** map, war for oil, then commies, then Germany, then WW2/Great depression, is there something the matter with you?

10th

[HOLM]

So I take it you can't find the bill.

[10thzodiac]

So I take it you can't find the bill.

There are times when you need to walk away instead of carrying on an argument. Fools have no real desire to learn or to be wise. Instead, they only seek opportunities to loudly proclaim nonsense.

There's a difference between dealing with normal people and a PITA

The floor is yours, you are on my ignore list, say whatever your little heart desires, I have better things to do

Proverbs: "If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet (29:9)

[HOLM]

No..... that is Bullchit 10z


You started a thread I am assuming to debate the content of that bill....(yeah right)


The presentation of that bill into a disscussion about the bill, should be fundamental to having a conversation about it... Right?

[OLE SARG]

HOLM, does the term "CUT AND RUN" sound familiar???????????? Is that 10th getting hit in the ass by the door???

SEMPER FI,

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I will add my little 2 cents on this one.

The germans did, in fact, have plans to continue resistance after their armies were beaten on the field.

Ike was much concerned about the "National Redoubt" idea, that the Germans would retreat into the mountains of Austria and have to be rooted out in nasty mountain fighting. There was much talk of this, and it's easy to google and find all sorts of info for those interested.

Finally, there were the fears of the 'Werwolf' contingents. Made up of fanatical SS and Hitler Youth (sound eerily familiar to today, perhaps???), they were basically going to conduct a guerilla campaign from the mountains, using 'terror' tactics such as sniping, mines, etc etc. Hmm....where have I heard this recently? Never mind. Continuing, the Werwolves assasinated the anti Nazi Mayor of Aachen, and were possibly responsible for a bombing in Bremen that killed 44 people. Several other notables were also 'claimed' to have been killed in Werewolf attacks.

So, this stuff did in fact happen.

BTW, the Sovs were masters of the partisan (today's terrorist) attacks against German troops behind the lines in WWII. The US Army, after the war, was so concerned about this threat, they interviewed German East front vets and wrote several books about "Soviet Partisan Tactics on the Eastern Front".

[HOLM]

My grandfather was in Germany at the time of that attack on the Mayor...


The "real" insurgents in Germany were the Marxist Commies though... At least in my never humble and often misguided opinion...


Anybody know where to find this Iraqi bill? I am striking out..


This is interesting to me because 10z claims this...

There are times when you need to walk away instead of carrying on an argument. Fools have no real desire to learn or to be wise. Instead, they only seek opportunities to loudly proclaim nonsense.

That is BS... I am interested in the topic he posted.. I would like to see the bill..

Now if when I read it, and it proves what I think it will... Damn straight I am going to loudly proclaim it... On the other hand the anti war crowd would stand to have a huge victory on this one...

But frankly I doubt that... otherwise the text of the bill would be easy to find..

[greensideout]

I am wondering why we all are suddenly expected to really give a chit about the Iraqis? How many have you met that you would invite into your home? I don't know any but I did know a few Viets.