Murtha Sees New Evidence That War Is Going Badly

[OLE SARG]

zodiac,
I don't know if your post was directed at me but I was a pencil pusher and DID SEE COMBAT!!!!!!!! I don't know who the **** "chuck" was but we were fighting the Viet Cong or VC. I even got some "jane fonda kerry" injuries but I damn sure didn't deserve a Purple Heart.

SEMPER FI,

[FistFu68]

WHAT KIND OF MAN,WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH BALL'S:TO EVEN PUT HIS GOD, GIVEN NAME ON HIS PROFILE?

[10thzodiac]

WHAT KIND OF MAN,WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH BALL'S:TO EVEN PUT HIS GOD, GIVEN NAME ON HIS PROFILE?

to beat the crap out of people until they can pronounce it right!

I'm not as good as I once was, but good enough once as I was

[jinelson]

The hero of the liberal left and Islamofascists!

[Ladderwell]

ms ladderwell,
DON'T TELL ME ABOUT LOOKING AT A ****ING BATTLEFIELD - I SPENT TWO (2) TOURS IN VIETNAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KNOW WHAT THE **** YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU SHOOT OFF THAT LEFT ****ING MOUTH OF YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER ****ING FI,

Ole Sarge:

1) Guideline for our forum: Open Squad Bay Exchange ideas and thoughts with your Band of Brothers. Remember to be courteous and respectful.

2) Please accept my apology for not having a clue to what you are talking about. Your statement attributed a false quote to me: "Looking at a battlefield." I had to search this thread, but not once did I ever use the word "battlefield." Please speak true. Feel free to explain yourself again. I'd like to try to understand you.

3) Also, this is supposed to be a "courteous and respectful" exchange among members of the Marine Corps family, not something that can happen at any bar. People's lives are at stake. Our country is at stake. We need to be serious about what we say and do. When in doubt, refer to #1.

4) Because you brought it up, I will mention battlefields.

Battlefields have changed over the millennia, from sticks an clubs across a stream, through the slings and arrows and spears, the incorporation of catapults during Roman times up until the advent of the use of gunpowder. Men fought up close at sea ("Marine" and "Leatherneck" came from there, assuming you recall the data from the Red Book given at PI while you were there (assuming were there and not in San Diego) We learned about "quarterfoils" on officer's hats so our snipers could recognize "our own" from the rigging, etc. We added artillery, howitzers and mortars as time went on, always changing the battlefield. We use a variety of small arms since the 15th or 16th century, and they held sway until the Germans first used the machine gun when they invaded Belgium. That also began the use of Mustard Gas (killed my Uncle Mike), and eventually tanks. Boy, were we getting better and better at killing. WWII saw more innovation, not just refinements of old technology, especially with the use of radar, rockets, and the A-Bomb. Korea saw the first large scale use of jets.

Go check out the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front" for an educational experience about old war veterans whipping the youth of the county to fight, and the consequences.

Viet Nam was a war fought with many elements, including military and propaganda....and I am going to stop continuing on this line of thought because there is too much to note. However, to encapsulate where I wanted to take this, wars that were "won" were ususally won by the side with the most intelligence and the most wisdom. The Republican government here in the states has exhibited neither. The battlefields of anti-terror today are not with army vs. army, but a combination of intelligence and "rifle shots" to take out the bad guys, and most importantly, in some way, to reach the children of the cultures that spawn the likes of bin Laden and the ignorant in the Islamic world.

In that mental battlefield, the tools of firepower have no place. Those tools need to come from the intelligencia (sic), the academics, the objective educational institutions that can penetrate the stone walls and rhetoric of hate, and reach their soft spots, where the changes that are effected will be forever.

Forget Left and Right. This is a country of people from different cultures and histories that have come together on the common ground of what it means to be American. Since the Republicans took power, we spend months worrying about love stains on a dress, a guy cheating on his wife, and in exchange we got an unholy war, based on lies and falsehood, and which will last long after today's veterans are dead, buried, and turned to dust.

That is what we have to thank the Republicans for. That is what we deserve for electing a president of the caliber he is. The only way out is through another party. The Republicans will not be listened to on the world stage, and we are not an island. We have to live in the "family of man," whether we like it or not.

So, Ole Sarge, please do not go off half-cocked in attacking your brother (perceived as a black sheep or not). We have bigger fish to fry. We need to start thinking about where this country will be in a few hundred years, and our children, and children's children, etc. too. Our country's life, and our citizens' lives will be hell for 300 years while we try to unscrew the mess directly created by the Republican leadership over the past decade.

Prepare for battle. Prepare your children for battle. If you want to see them live, just don't put rifles in their hands and thoughts of all-out-war in their heads, though there will certainly be a place for that, but you may want to consider sending them to those "hippie commie pinko" universities that study all side of issues, and offer the only hope of sane, long-lasting solutions to the world's problems.

Ever respectfully,
Ladderwell
Always Faithful to my Corps, my Honor, my God, and my Country. Always

p.s. Before replying, please take a few deep breaths, review the guidelines for the forum, and then do so. I eagerly look forward to a thought-full response.

[003XXMarineDAD]

Ole Sarge here is the types that ladderwell wants to lead us to utopia.




Looks to me that many of the just woke up from a bad acid trip, which many I'am sure are still having.
This are the local one we have here at the college and yes they are Pravada's best.They can quote from the good red book of lenin and mao.

Now here is a group that I stand with which is I'am sure the ones you would stand with.


I think we know which one group ladderwell stands with.It's the one with no flag other then the Useless Nations.

[Ladderwell]

Ole Sarge here is the types that ladderwell wants to lead us to utopia.




Looks to me that many of the just woke up from a bad acid trip, which many I'am sure are still having.
This are the local one we have here at the college and yes they are Pravada's best.They can quote from the good red book of lenin and mao.

Now here is a group that I stand with which is I'am sure the ones you would stand with.


I think we know which one group ladderwell stands with.It's the one with no flag other then the Useless Nations.

This is what is being lapped up by a quarter of the world's population: "The Bush presidency was a bunch of cocky fools, motivated by crusader hatred ... which led them to imagine that they could takeover the entire world," he said. "They threw themselves, their people and their nation into a sea of fire from which they are uselessly trying to secure themselves." bin Laden

We may hate the sob, but the truth of the matter is, Iraq didn't have a dang thing to do with Terror or the rest of the reasons given to us by the Bush presidency, that has thrown us into this mess.

Sadly, and respectfully,
Ladderwell
SF

[Ladderwell]

Marine Dad:

Which one might you lean to?


OR


Equally playfully, and still respectfully,
Ladderwell
SF

[Ladderwell]

Good night all.

Need shuteye.
*
Ladderwell
SF

[10thzodiac]

The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."-HERMANN GOERING, Nazi Gestapo

[003XXMarineDAD]

"The Bush presidency was a bunch of cocky fools, motivated by crusader hatred ... which led them to imagine that they could takeover the entire world," he said. "They threw themselves, their people and their nation into a sea of fire from which they are uselessly trying to secure themselves." bin Laden

Dear Ladderwell
You have proven my point again. You can qoute Osama as good as you quote the Pravada line.
You always quote what our childern will have to fix. Well Dear Ladderwell if Osama and the left win we will not have to worry about our children because they will not be a live to fix it. The jihadists goal is to destroy any non belivers and that also includes any moderate muslims. If you would only pull the pravada line out long enough to see it might awaken you to the truth.
The one thing I do not have to do is google to get a photo or painting of your side's point of veiw I see it in the pravada media all the time. The one thing I 'am proud of is standing against the pravada groups out here and wish I could join the group in washington that stand against the pravada group that protests every Friday nite in front of Walter Reed Hospital in front of our wounded troops that get to go out for dinner on Fridays with their familes.
Not knowing where you are I almost could see you standing with the anti troop group in front of the hospital just giving our troops the rasberry that you always give on here.

I respectfully give you one of these

To all others I give you this

[jinelson]

I could have sworn that this thread was about Murtha before our brother Ladderwell et al decided that it was one more oppritunity to bash and trash the Bush administration and our efforts against those who attacked us on 9-11. I dont appreciate it on this date especially and I will make it a point to return your disrespect on your special day come May 1st 2007. Ladderwell I dont believe for a second that you are ashamed of your name, I do however believe that you are afraid as all trolls are that it could lead to you being found out to be something that you either are or are not. At any rate Im sure that at some point that either Code Pink will reward you with honors like they did Mecca Murtha or you may become Al Jazeeras Man Of The Year but you will never fool the mainstream a bit.

Peace by appeasement and socialism - FREAKING NEVER!

[10thzodiac]

Dear Ladderwell
You have proven my point again. You can qoute Osama as good as you quote the Pravada line.
You always quote what our childern will have to fix. Well Dear Ladderwell if Osama and the left win we will not have to worry about our children because they will not be a live to fix it. The jihadists goal is to destroy any non belivers and that also includes any moderate muslims. If you would only pull the pravada line out long enough to see it might awaken you to the truth.
The one thing I do not have to do is google to get a photo or painting of your side's point of veiw I see it in the pravada media all the time. The one thing I 'am proud of is standing against the pravada groups out here and wish I could join the group in washington that stand against the pravada group that protests every Friday nite in front of Walter Reed Hospital in front of our wounded troops that get to go out for dinner on Fridays with their familes.
Not knowing where you are I almost could see you standing with the anti troop group in front of the hospital just giving our troops the rasberry that you always give on here.

I respectfully give you one of these

To all others I give you this

003XXMarineDAD in my opinion, you do not sound like a loving father to me, because no father would really put his son in harms way and be proud of that. Are you sure you are who you say you are instead of some right wing fascist agent of the political right wing industrial/military complex that Eisenhower warned us about in his speech?

I already lectured my son tonight about letting his 3-year-old son play with toy soldiers. That is where cannon fodder starts. My Marine grandfather WIA suicide WW I, my Army father PTSD WW II, and his Army first cousin KIA WW II. Me, by the skin of my teeth I was lucky compared to them Cuba October 1962 and Vietnam '64 and Dominican Republic '65.

Yes, I had orders to go to the Dominican Republic 1965 along with WO Lee (22-year veteran) from Service Battalion Camp Lejeune N.C., but I was too short and refused to sign a wavier to go, WO Lee was killed by a sniper the first day, leaving his wife and young children. My daughter was almost 1 year old then. I'm no fool!

Can't you see the Arabs are only giving us payback for our support of Israel, our misguided politics and military?

And if you really have this son your so proud of, bring him back before he gets his legs blown off for nothing by a mine with a Motorola chip, just like Chesty's boy did in Vietnam. However, this time an Italian made land mine made with GE components that were sold to Egypt then to Saddam.

Those who forget history repeat it. Well you know what agent of the right, it is not going to be my grandchildren, it is going to be yours that are going to be the Rich Men’s fools next time.

WTF, right now Dick Cheney according to this past Sundays political talk on TV network news, he is in opposition to UN sanctions on Iran, LMFAO Halliburton stands to loose money if that happens, while you sacrifice your son.

003XXMarineDAD, are you are a fool?

Wake up and let us start healing America with not what is wrong in America but with what is right in America while your alleged son still has his legs.

10thzodiac

[10thzodiac]

A badge of honor thank you.

Good night

[yellowwing]

Don't mess with family. Even a predator like John Gotti understood that.