Murtha Sees New Evidence That War Is Going Badly

[thedrifter]

Murtha Sees New Evidence That War Is Going Badly
Monisha Bansal
Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a vocal critic of the Iraq war, is using the news about a recall of discharged Marines as another opportunity to demand an immediate troop withdrawal in Iraq.

For the first time since the Iraq war began, up to 2,500 discharged Marines will be recalled to duty in Iraq and Afghanistan to make up for shortages of specialists, the Boston Globe reported.

"This recall is just another sign of how badly the war in Iraq is going," said Murtha in a statement Wednesday.

"Bringing these Marines back to active duty after their tour of service was complete shows we are unable [to] recruit the necessary volunteers to maintain troop levels in our armed forces. It also shows that at a time when we should be bringing our fighting men and women home from Iraq, we're sending more over there," he said.

Murtha said young men and women are not joining the military because of war "mismanagement" and "all the killing and maiming in Iraq." In addition to the recalls, the military also has increased the age limit for soldiers, Murtha noted.

"If everything were going as well as predicted or depicted by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld, we would be fulfilling field commander's (sic) desires of earlier this year to reduce troops. Instead we're going to extraordinary means to increase them," Murtha said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, the head of the Marines' Manpower Mobilization Section, was quoted as saying that the military needs at least 1,200 Marines to fill certain positions in upcoming deployments.

"Since this is going to be a long war, we thought it was judicious and prudent at this time to be able to use a relatively small portion of those Marines to help us augment our units."

Some of the military needs, he said, include engineers, intelligence, military police and communications.

There are about 138,000 U.S. troops currently serving in Iraq.

"We must redeploy our troops now and leave this war to be settled by the Iraqis," Murtha said. Make media inquiries or request an interview with Monisha Bansal.

Ellie

Like I don't know what a few of you Marines are going to say to this one....

[jinelson]

A message from Larry Bailey,
President of Vets for The Truth

Warmest greetings from the organizing committee of Vets for the Truth (VFTT), which was established for the express purpose of assisting in the redeployment of John Murtha from the US House of Representatives. For the record, VFTT rose out of the 2004 campaign by Vietnam Vets for the Truth to inform the American voters of the lies told in 1971 about Vietnam military personnel by John Kerry. We had a great deal of success, especially in conceiving of and implementing Operation Street Corner, a program by means of which everyday citizens can make their political opinions known and point out the lies of John Kerry. VFTT intends to do the same thing in the case of what John Murtha has said about the U.S. Marines.

I’ll update this “column” from time to time as the “Boot Murtha” campaign gets wheels and generates momentum. I just hope I have the ability to keep up, as things are moving faster than I expected!

Thank you for checking in with us; now stay with us! We’re going to help Pennsylvania voters change their political landscape by telling the truth about Lying John Murtha!



Larry Bailey

Let's redeploy John "Mecca" Murtha from the US House Of Representatives!

Jim

[OLE SARG]

Be sure and get ladderwell in on this thread, he is very mis-informed about ms murtha!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

[fiasco1371]

Col. Stratton, sir, awaiting orders. I'll go back for a third round. Semper.

[Ladderwell]

Murtha Sees New Evidence That War Is Going Badly
Monisha Bansal
Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a vocal critic of the Iraq war, is using the news about a recall of discharged Marines as another opportunity to demand an immediate troop withdrawal in Iraq.

For the first time since the Iraq war began, up to 2,500 discharged Marines will be recalled to duty in Iraq and Afghanistan to make up for shortages of specialists, the Boston Globe reported.

"This recall is just another sign of how badly the war in Iraq is going," said Murtha in a statement Wednesday.

"Bringing these Marines back to active duty after their tour of service was complete shows we are unable [to] recruit the necessary volunteers to maintain troop levels in our armed forces. It also shows that at a time when we should be bringing our fighting men and women home from Iraq, we're sending more over there," he said.

Murtha said young men and women are not joining the military because of war "mismanagement" and "all the killing and maiming in Iraq." In addition to the recalls, the military also has increased the age limit for soldiers, Murtha noted.

"If everything were going as well as predicted or depicted by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld, we would be fulfilling field commander's (sic) desires of earlier this year to reduce troops. Instead we're going to extraordinary means to increase them," Murtha said.

Marine Col. Guy A. Stratton, the head of the Marines' Manpower Mobilization Section, was quoted as saying that the military needs at least 1,200 Marines to fill certain positions in upcoming deployments.

"Since this is going to be a long war, we thought it was judicious and prudent at this time to be able to use a relatively small portion of those Marines to help us augment our units."

Some of the military needs, he said, include engineers, intelligence, military police and communications.

There are about 138,000 U.S. troops currently serving in Iraq.

"We must redeploy our troops now and leave this war to be settled by the Iraqis," Murtha said. Make media inquiries or request an interview with Monisha Bansal.

Ellie

Like I don't know what a few of you Marines are going to say to this one....

For anyone who has studied this part of the world since Islam was established in the 650s, and who is aware of the affects of multiple wars and catastrophes in the Islamic world, they know that in time (100-200, even 300 years) the splash of the war will finally settle down, and things will be back to their version of "normal." The state of Islam's primary sects are constantly in tension, the Sunnis vs. the Shiites, and the Sufis not siding with either. Once we have buried all our dead, hospitalized or institutionalized all our wounded, spent our treasure until we could spend no more, even after all of us currently alive today are dead, the Mideast will revert back to the cycles that have been there for 1350 years. I believe Murtha understands. He's not some dumb bunny spouting out of his rear. If that proven warrior has that opinion, it would be wise for all of us to give pause, and try to raise our level of understanding to his, and perhaps even go beyond that.

As responsible citizens, we have the responsibility to do so.

Respectfully,
Ladderwell
SF!

[Ladderwell]

A message from Larry Bailey,
President of Vets for The Truth

Warmest greetings from the organizing committee of Vets for the Truth (VFTT), which was established for the express purpose of assisting in the redeployment of John Murtha from the US House of Representatives. For the record, VFTT rose out of the 2004 campaign by Vietnam Vets for the Truth to inform the American voters of the lies told in 1971 about Vietnam military personnel by John Kerry. We had a great deal of success, especially in conceiving of and implementing Operation Street Corner, a program by means of which everyday citizens can make their political opinions known and point out the lies of John Kerry. VFTT intends to do the same thing in the case of what John Murtha has said about the U.S. Marines.

I’ll update this “column” from time to time as the “Boot Murtha” campaign gets wheels and generates momentum. I just hope I have the ability to keep up, as things are moving faster than I expected!

Thank you for checking in with us; now stay with us! We’re going to help Pennsylvania voters change their political landscape by telling the truth about Lying John Murtha!



Larry Bailey

Let's redeploy John "Mecca" Murtha from the US House Of Representatives!

Jim

Why not ignore Kerry and Murtha and focus on the real problem, the lies from the current administration that got us into this global mess? You have energy and resources, as well as passion, to work to make the world a better place. Fighting against these two is as bad as the Bush administration invading Iraq for no good reason (no WMDs, Nukes, or Terrorists). Work to get at the root of the problem, and the beginning of the solution. There will be some hard decisions to make, and one of them, based on all of the terrible current realities, may be that voting for the likes of Kerry or Murtha, or from their ranks, will get the country on the road out of the quagmire Bush was warned not to get into.

Respectfully,
Ladderwell
SF

[Ladderwell]

Be sure and get ladderwell in on this thread, he is very mis-informed about ms murtha!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

Ole Sarge,

Let's keep our eye on the ball. Murtha and Kerry are NOT the problem. The ill-will across the land is a sympton of the problem caused by the lies and falsehoods that got us into this God-awful mess. Ignore those guys, and let's focus on solving the problem. Elections are coming up. Keeping the current administration and the Republican party in power will only exacerbate the problems we have across the globe, and in our own backyard and homes.

We have too much skin in the game to continue to make bad decisions that negatively affect our republic. Time to make the tough ones. We may need to vote for (and you may think) "bums like these," because they are the lesser of two evils.

Ladderwell,
SF

[OLE SARG]

You are right ladderwell, ms murtha and ms kerry are NOT the problem. The problem is people like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh ye, who feed off what the left is spewing and run with it. You are the perfect example of that.

SEMPER FI,

[thedrifter]

You are right ladderwell, ms murtha and ms kerry are NOT the problem. The problem is people like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh ye, who feed off what the left is spewing and run with it. You are the perfect example of that.

SEMPER FI,

Amen to that...

Ellie

[eddief]

You are right ladderwell, ms murtha and ms kerry are NOT the problem. The problem is people like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh ye, who feed off what the left is spewing and run with it. You are the perfect example of that.

SEMPER FI,

As opposed to the claims by the Bush administration neocons that it would be a cakewalk and would be paid for with Iraqi oil.

So who really fell for a bunch of BS?

[CHOPPER7199]

A Few Points Have Been Made. Where Are The Battalions Of Iragi Soldiers That Were Ready To Replace Some Of Our Troops? This Was Said By Rummy Over A Yr. Ago. Just 1 Vital Point At This Time. I Do Not Tend To Agree With Alot, But There Is Alot Of B-s That Has Been Said By Our So Called Leaders. Our Troops Need The Best Of Everything Now, Not Later. Example, Remember About The Body Armour Let Alone The Vehicals. Just An Old Grunts Opinion

[jinelson]

Free Republic
John Murtha: military destroyer
Marine recruiter details Murtha's damage

In America, we rightfully make public examples of the worst behavior in our society. This is true even of our sacred institutions. The recent article by the Associated Press reporting over a hundred women seeking to serve our country were treated in a sexually inappropriate way is just one such disheartening incident. The Armed Forces are spending $1.5 billion on 8,000 recruiters this year.

However, there is other disheartening news coming from a specific recruiter that is telling about Rep. John Murtha (D-PA). Boot Murtha has received anecdotal evidence that Murtha’s words and deeds undermine our military and demoralize our troops. His actions also cause damage to our nation’s recruiting efforts.

The following e-mail message written by a Marine underscores the damage Murtha is doing to the Corp and America's defense capabilities:

I am a Marine on Recruiting duty. John Murtha needs to understand that he only speaks for the constituents within his district. I keep an eye on our elected officials at all times via the news, yet I had never heard of Murtha, until his propaganda. I sometimes wonder if he has even experienced the horrors that I have before I came to this duty. It is no secret that recruiting the best of today's men and women for our Armed Forces is tougher than ever.

I have had people ask me about Murtha and Semper Fi, when I describe to them the pride of belonging they receive should they join the Marines. I simply reply by telling them that he is no longer a Marine and is a disgrace to the Marines of my former battalion the very one from which the Marines are from that he judged, tried, and convicted before they were even home. I have also removed the page with all the famous and successful former marines, which included John Murtha on that list, out of my Marine Corps Opportunity Book, which I use to show people about opportunities in the Marines.

Author’s name withheld for their protection

The disgust for Rep. Murtha comes from the fact that he has mislead the nation and his district into believing he is a strong supporter of America’s military. In truth, he is extremely injurious to America’s military.

One only has to look at what Murtha's has done in taking political advantage of America’s military strength:

· Claims to "speak for the soldiers," but he refuses to listen to Iraq War veterans from his own state of Pennsylvania.

· Continues to tell America that our military "is broken and worn out" in spite of evidence to the contrary.

· Uses his political platform to deny Marines due process under the law. He claimed to have insider information from Pentagon source Gen. Michael Hagee that substantiated his inexcusable sacrifice of soldiers for political gain – a claim Hagee completely refutes.

· Receives Code Pink award from the anti-war group that demonstrates against wounded service personnel at Walter Reed Hospital.

· Earmarks Defense dollars -- pork barrel -- that has bloated the budget and prevented our troops from receiving needed supplies like body armor.

· Inappropriate pushes forward of the Stryker vehicle without proper field testing, which resulted in the deaths of military personnel at the front in Iraq.

· Failures to support Stolen Valor legislation that punishes those who falsely claim to have earned military service medals that they did not earn.

Of course, Murtha served in the military -- in Vietnam. He claims this renders him an irrefutable authority on foreign policy and that anyone else who has not served in the military has no claim. That canard has gone on long enough.

The truth is, what Murtha has done and is doing hurts our military -- as the above recruiter informs us from the front lines. Proof of his damage to the military is also backed up by e-mails from our military in Iraq. Murtha is part of a crowd who just don’t get it that we are fighting an extremist Islamist movement that only wants to kill us and destroy our way of life. Those Islamists are in every country in the Middle East, and they are in Europe and America as well. They cannot be negotiated with, and no amount of United Nations resolutions will solve the problem.

As Carl Von Clausewitz stated, “The only way to defeat your enemy is to defeat his will to fight.”

Our enemies are counting on the American public and leaders like Murtha who are unwilling to pay the price of victory. We have too many leaders who have not learned the real lessons of Vietnam.

If Murtha, Sen. John Kerry and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were true experts about the War in Vietnam, they would be well aware of the words of Bui Tin, who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975:

Bui Tin, General Staff of the North Vietnam Army:

"It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.... America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."

[eddief]

Free Republic
John Murtha: military destroyer
Marine recruiter details Murtha's damage

In America, we rightfully make public examples of the worst behavior in our society. This is true even of our sacred institutions. The recent article by the Associated Press reporting over a hundred women seeking to serve our country were treated in a sexually inappropriate way is just one such disheartening incident. The Armed Forces are spending $1.5 billion on 8,000 recruiters this year.

However, there is other disheartening news coming from a specific recruiter that is telling about Rep. John Murtha (D-PA). Boot Murtha has received anecdotal evidence that Murtha’s words and deeds undermine our military and demoralize our troops. His actions also cause damage to our nation’s recruiting efforts.

The following e-mail message written by a Marine underscores the damage Murtha is doing to the Corp and America's defense capabilities:

I am a Marine on Recruiting duty. John Murtha needs to understand that he only speaks for the constituents within his district. I keep an eye on our elected officials at all times via the news, yet I had never heard of Murtha, until his propaganda. I sometimes wonder if he has even experienced the horrors that I have before I came to this duty. It is no secret that recruiting the best of today's men and women for our Armed Forces is tougher than ever.

I have had people ask me about Murtha and Semper Fi, when I describe to them the pride of belonging they receive should they join the Marines. I simply reply by telling them that he is no longer a Marine and is a disgrace to the Marines of my former battalion the very one from which the Marines are from that he judged, tried, and convicted before they were even home. I have also removed the page with all the famous and successful former marines, which included John Murtha on that list, out of my Marine Corps Opportunity Book, which I use to show people about opportunities in the Marines.

Author’s name withheld for their protection

The disgust for Rep. Murtha comes from the fact that he has mislead the nation and his district into believing he is a strong supporter of America’s military. In truth, he is extremely injurious to America’s military.

One only has to look at what Murtha's has done in taking political advantage of America’s military strength:

· Claims to "speak for the soldiers," but he refuses to listen to Iraq War veterans from his own state of Pennsylvania.

· Continues to tell America that our military "is broken and worn out" in spite of evidence to the contrary.

· Uses his political platform to deny Marines due process under the law. He claimed to have insider information from Pentagon source Gen. Michael Hagee that substantiated his inexcusable sacrifice of soldiers for political gain – a claim Hagee completely refutes.

· Receives Code Pink award from the anti-war group that demonstrates against wounded service personnel at Walter Reed Hospital.

· Earmarks Defense dollars -- pork barrel -- that has bloated the budget and prevented our troops from receiving needed supplies like body armor.

· Inappropriate pushes forward of the Stryker vehicle without proper field testing, which resulted in the deaths of military personnel at the front in Iraq.

· Failures to support Stolen Valor legislation that punishes those who falsely claim to have earned military service medals that they did not earn.

Of course, Murtha served in the military -- in Vietnam. He claims this renders him an irrefutable authority on foreign policy and that anyone else who has not served in the military has no claim. That canard has gone on long enough.

The truth is, what Murtha has done and is doing hurts our military -- as the above recruiter informs us from the front lines. Proof of his damage to the military is also backed up by e-mails from our military in Iraq. Murtha is part of a crowd who just don’t get it that we are fighting an extremist Islamist movement that only wants to kill us and destroy our way of life. Those Islamists are in every country in the Middle East, and they are in Europe and America as well. They cannot be negotiated with, and no amount of United Nations resolutions will solve the problem.

As Carl Von Clausewitz stated, “The only way to defeat your enemy is to defeat his will to fight.”

Our enemies are counting on the American public and leaders like Murtha who are unwilling to pay the price of victory. We have too many leaders who have not learned the real lessons of Vietnam.

If Murtha, Sen. John Kerry and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi were true experts about the War in Vietnam, they would be well aware of the words of Bui Tin, who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975:

Bui Tin, General Staff of the North Vietnam Army:

"It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.... America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."

Bull****! Recruiting is tougher these days because of a strong economy and the realities of war that young people are seeing everday on TV and not because of anything politicos are saying.

[fontman]

My Corps is still making quota. Apparently more young Americans with a different point of view than yours, Eddie.

[eddief]

My Corps is still making quota. Apparently more young Americans with a different point of view than yours, Eddie.

Then the freeper column is wrong. Murtha isn't hurting recruiting efforts.