Cindy Sheehan

[greensideout]

Originally posted by 003XXMarineDAD
Joeph P. Carey
I truly admire how you write, I have had chat in the room with Greensideout on these topics before and get the same out of it always. I was told that because I never served I had not right to be on this forum.

Just for the record 003XXMarineDAD you need to get it right. You have never heard me say that you should not be on this forum. You may have been told that by someone, but not from me. A part of what this forum is about is Marine family support. Your son is learning to get it right, you need to do the same.

BTW, congrats---(To your son)---looks like he made it.

GSO

[thedrifter]

Sheehan now looks to take on Congress
Iraq war protester says she'll start with Texas Republican Tom DeLay

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) -- Iraq war protester Cindy Sheehan said Friday she plans to expand her focus to Congress, starting with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Bush ally and fellow Texan.

Sheehan has been camped outside the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch this month, seeking a meeting with him to discuss the U.S. presence in Iraq, where her son was killed in 2004.

She plans to begin a bus tour on Thursday to the White House to campaign for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

One of DeLay's Texas district offices, near Houston, would likely be the first stop, she said. That is about a five-and-a-half hour drive from Bush's ranch, near Waco, where he is on a month-long vacation.

"I think our first stop might be Tom DeLay's office," she said, surrounded by supporters. "I just wanted to let him know, so he'll be in his office when we get there."

"The president is not going to meet with us, probably," Sheehan said. "We the people need to influence our congressional representatives, and I hear he's pretty close by," she added, referring to DeLay.

A spokeswoman for DeLay said his schedule was already set and did not plan to change it to meet with Sheehan.

"Mr. DeLay disagrees with those who believe we should give the terrorists the timeline they want and simply cut and run from the war in Iraq," said DeLay spokeswoman Shannon Flaherty.

Sheehan met once with Bush after her son, Casey, was killed but has sought a second meeting to ask the president to explain why he believes the 24-year-old Army specialist died for a "noble cause."

Almost 1,900 U.S. troops have been killed in the conflict.

Bush has said he sympathizes with Sheehan, as well as with the families of all the soldiers who have died. But he has staunchly defended his actions in Iraq and has said leaving now would lead to greater dangers for the United States and Iraq.

A Gallup poll released on Friday showed Bush's job approval rating among Americans had slipped to the lowest point of his administration, with 40 percent of the poll's 1,007 adult respondents, supporting his performance and 56 percent disapproving.

Bush's previous low was 44 percent, one month ago.

The latest survey, conducted this week, noted a drop in support among independents and confirmed the findings of other recent polls, which showed Bush's approval rating even lower.

Compared with other post-World War II presidents at this point in their second term, only Richard Nixon had a lower job approval rating and he was in the midst of the Watergate scandal, Gallup said. The others were all above 50 percent.

Ellie

[cockscap70]

Please refer to brownside out in the case of Cindy Sheehan. If that doesn't work trying screaming and shouting! SF

[radio relay]

Carey,

You just write whatever comes into your head and think it's profound. You are absolutely dillusional!!

Blabbing on and on, without a care as to what you are actually saying, or who your are saying it to. Thinking the world is in awe of your uncanny ability to through a major line of b.s.

Stating that Israel has killed more people than any islamic state is ludicrous. You do so well in making your case for our servicemen and our mission in the war on terror. Then your crazy side comes out and you start saying things like that about Israel.

Sounds like you hate The U.K., too. I'll love to hear your reasons for that. Probably goes back to the terrible atrocities of the French and Indian war. Or, does it have something to do with being Irish? Where are your real loyalties?... Ireland?

Shame on yourself for distorting my words, and deliberately misunderstanding what I was saying.

Trying to distort my words, vis a vis those who haven't served but believe they have the same standing as someone who has worn the uniform of the Armed Forces of the United States, for no other reason than they have a relative in the service is also very, very lame.

My Father was a combat Veteran of three wars (WWII, Korea, & Vietnam). He was awarded hero medals and Purple Hearts, etc, etc. So what does that have to do with me? Not one damned thing. Sure I'm proud of him, but I couldn't and wouldn't come on this board and talk down to Marines, because of my Father's accomplishments.

Get it? ... Probably not!

[Joseph P Carey]

Originally posted by radio relay
Carey,

You just write whatever comes into your head and think it's profound. You are absolutely dillusional!!

Blabbing on and on, without a care as to what you are actually saying, or who your are saying it to. Thinking the world is in awe of your uncanny ability to through a major line of b.s.

Stating that Israel has killed more people than any islamic state is ludicrous. You do so well in making your case for our servicemen and our mission in the war on terror. Then your crazy side comes out and you start saying things like that about Israel.

Sounds like you hate The U.K., too. I'll love to hear your reasons for that. Probably goes back to the terrible atrocities of the French and Indian war. Or, does it have something to do with being Irish? Where are your real loyalties?... Ireland?

Shame on yourself for distorting my words, and deliberately misunderstanding what I was saying.

Trying to distort my words, vis a vis those who haven't served but believe they have the same standing as someone who has worn the uniform of the Armed Forces of the United States, for no other reason than they have a relative in the service is also very, very lame.

My Father was a combat Veteran of three wars (WWII, Korea, & Vietnam). He was awarded hero medals and Purple Hearts, etc, etc. So what does that have to do with me? Not one damned thing. Sure I'm proud of him, but I couldn't and wouldn't come on this board and talk down to Marines, because of my Father's accomplishments.

Get it? ... Probably not!

This thread started out as what parents of Soldiers and Marines think of their military offspring! It started over the actions of Ms Sheehan, whoes son, Casey, a US Soldier that reenlisted to go to Iraq, had died in Iraq. The fact that Ms Sheehan's other son dispises her for what she has done to his brother's Good name, and her husband is divorcing her over what she has done to her son's good name, and the fact that she is a tool, a useful idiot, for the left, has a lot to do with why these parents are on this board showing their pride in what their sons and daughters are doing in the military.

You degrade them for their pride, and you are wrong!

Not every one is blessed with good health as were you and I at a young age, many people could not join the Marines or the Army for many reasons. Even in WWI, the Marines received 250,000 applications for the Marine Corps, but the Marines only took 45,000 to bring their ranks up to the mandated 60,000 for that war. Most of those people were rejected for medical reasons. Unrelated, but History, not every one can serve in the military.

These are very good and LOYAL people that believe in the USA, and not in Israel. As it happens, you may call me a 'Flag Waver' or whichever you prefer, I don't particularly care what you think, but don't start in on these good people that believe in America, and their children that have become Marines or Soldiers. They are giving more to this country than you have, and their loyalty is here.

[enviro]

"Stating that Israel has killed more people than any islamic state is ludicrous. "

Sorry to join in the debate so late, everyone knows I'm always in on these.

Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race, brand, sect, culture, etc..... This has been the way for many centuries.

As for who has the highest body count, (in modern day battles) the WWII Axis countries killed over 57,000,000 civilians and military. WWII Allied Countries killed over 11,000,000 civilians and military.

WWII is the single most deadliest war in recorded history.

Some of the most longest lasting and deadliest wars have been with Muslim countries.

Think about it.....

As for Cindy Sheehan, I wouldn't p|ss on her if she was on fire. This woman is uneducated, unpatriotic, guillable, and should be thankful that there are guys like us out there that protect her freedom to be a jackass. Don't support her... Wouldn't cry if she was run over by a train.... Would laugh very hard if a Texas Rattle Snake came up and bit her on the ass while she's "camped" out in Crawford.

[Joseph P Carey]

On August 26 2005 03:37 PM, on this thread, I wrote: “As far as I am concerned, Israel has killed more Americans than many an Islamic Country ever has, and not indirectly, but with malice and aforethought behind what they did. They murdered our Sailors and Marines on the USS Liberty.”

Radio Relay writes on August 26 2005 08:42 PM: “Stating that Israel has killed more people than any islamic state is ludicrous. You do so well in making your case for our servicemen and our mission in the war on terror. Then your crazy side comes out and you start saying things like that about Israel.”

Enviro pumps in under the false impression that Radio has created saying on August 27 2005 01:15 AM: "Stating that Israel has killed more people than any islamic state is ludicrous...Sorry to join in the debate so late, everyone knows I'm always in on these…Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race, brand, sect, culture, etc..... This has been the way for many centuries.”

Now, if you two will learn how to read, there would probably be fewer problems in the world. You guys can’t even write ‘Islamic’ as a proper noun. Your heads are so deep in Theocracy that there is no differentiation between you and the Islamic Fundamentalists. What makes you any different from them? You are both brainwashed into following an ideology blindly, without questioning events. Radio is still under the impression that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity, what a fool!

If you two juveniles will come to the front of the class where you can see the blackboard…we will get back to the thread about parents of US Servicemen and women.

If you two are going to quote me, quote me correctly!

[radio relay]

The wise old man... ah make that, the crazy old coot over in the corner muttering to himself and pooping his pants wants to get back on topic.

Ok, fine. Those of us with sharper minds will carry it forward...

Cindy Sheehan is a clown, and a disrespectful jerk, riding on her own son's honorable death, to smear the sacrifice and service of all our fine young people currently serving, fighting, being maimed, and being killed in our armed forces. She spits on every single person who has ever put it on the line for our country's independence and freedom.

Further more, she has slimed all those who have also lost loved ones, hold them dear, and honor them for their noble courage and sacrifice.

This aging valley girl is actually worse than Hanoi Jane Fonda. Hanoi Jane, has also disrespected every man and woman who ever served. However, while she may have used her father's fame and fortune, she did not ride on her own son's grave stone to do it.

Sheehan's puppet masters from the left are even more despicable.

[chucktoo1926]

AMEN, Radio Relay, AMEN

[rayearley]

JOE CAREY;YOUR KIDDIN RIGHT,THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD,QUIT ANYTIME YOU WANT.RIGHT ,LEFT,BULL!!I AM OJIBWAY.DON'T CARE WHO IS IN OFFICE,ITS ALL THE SAME,THEM "CHIMOOKS WILL RIP US OFF! THEM "CHICKENHAWKS"IS WHAT THEY ARE PERIOD,MY GRANDFATHERS WOULD HAVE SENT THEM TO THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HELP THE WOMEN,IF THEY WOULDN'T FIGHT.THIS AIN'T ABOUT ONE WOMENS PROTEST,ITS ABOUT PROTECTING THIS COUNTRY.I LIVE ON THE CANADIAN BORDER,Anytime i want good beer i drive across and get it,its wide open,I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU HAVE HEARD OR SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR MOTHERLAND,THEY ARE ALSO HERE BESIDES THE UK.BUILD CAMPS.IF THEY GOT ENOUGH TROOPS TO DO THE JOB,THEN WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO SEND MORE FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS.THESE PEOPLE ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND TRIBALISM AS CAN BE OBSERVED NOW,WITH THEIR EFFORTS TO ADOPT A CONSTITION.NO MORE TIME,I GOTTA HUNT.NAQUONABE

[Old Marine]

Originally posted by Joseph P Carey


Radio,

Many people can not serve for a variety of reasons. They may be too old to serve in uniform, they may not have been born here and they came here after a certain age, they may even have medical problems or health issues that will not allow them to do so. But, any time you wish to match me, Purple Heart for Purple Heart, or awards for combat valor, come match up Radio.

How dare you say that to people that are proud of their sons and their daughters for doing what they do. They are giving their life's blood to the cause of the USA, and they are proud of that.

Shame on you Radio!

Calling on Radio to come and match you medal for medal is pretty petty. Maybe, just maybe Radio kept his head down and didn't get the wounds you received.

[Joseph P Carey]

Originally posted by rayearley
JOE CAREY;YOUR KIDDIN RIGHT,THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD,QUIT ANYTIME YOU WANT.RIGHT ,LEFT,BULL!!I AM OJIBWAY.DON'T CARE WHO IS IN OFFICE,ITS ALL THE SAME,THEM "CHIMOOKS WILL RIP US OFF! THEM "CHICKENHAWKS"IS WHAT THEY ARE PERIOD,MY GRANDFATHERS WOULD HAVE SENT THEM TO THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HELP THE WOMEN,IF THEY WOULDN'T FIGHT.THIS AIN'T ABOUT ONE WOMENS PROTEST,ITS ABOUT PROTECTING THIS COUNTRY.I LIVE ON THE CANADIAN BORDER,Anytime i want good beer i drive across and get it,its wide open,I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU HAVE HEARD OR SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR MOTHERLAND,THEY ARE ALSO HERE BESIDES THE UK.BUILD CAMPS.IF THEY GOT ENOUGH TROOPS TO DO THE JOB,THEN WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO SEND MORE FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS.THESE PEOPLE ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND TRIBALISM AS CAN BE OBSERVED NOW,WITH THEIR EFFORTS TO ADOPT A CONSTITION.NO MORE TIME,I GOTTA HUNT.NAQUONABE

If I remember correctly, President Bush served from `68 to `73, and he did not request transfer to the Alabama Guard until the Summer of `72. Prior to that he had no problems with discipline or mistaken orders, and he surpassed his flight requirements each year he was in the TANG, including the last year that he served. The fact remains that had he been drafted, he would only have served two years of active duty. What is your point? Do you also think that Sitting Bull was not a good chief, because he sat out the attack on Colonel Custer in camp with the women and the children?

As far as Iraq goes, would it be better to not prepare for hostilities during the coming elections, or Constitutional adoption?

Again, the thread is about the parents of military service personnel.

[Joseph P Carey]

Originally posted by Old Marine


Calling on Radio to come and match you medal for medal is pretty petty. Maybe, just maybe Radio kept his head down and didn't get the wounds you received.

Old Marine,

The remarks I made were 'petty', and they were made to be 'petty' to show Radio that not all people had the same lots in life. He put down the parents of these young men and women, saying they did not have the same voice here, because they did not serve. If I understand the mission statement of the Marines, it is 'to protect and serve the Constitution and the people of the United States at the direction of the civilian government.'

This, to me, means to protect the people that can not protect themselves. We were all fine physical specimens going into the Corps, made better through the training we received in the Corps. Others were not so lucky as were we through no fault of their own, and it was our duty to secure the rights of liberty for them, not just ourselves.

Radio wrote on August 26 2005 02:57 PM, and I quote word for word: "To various Marine Dads. I'm very thankful that you have raised sons who have shown the strength of charactor to become Marines. I also think you have every right to be in a Marine oriented discussion forum…

...However, having said that, I still wonder why you, yourselves did not do the same? I.E. serve our country in the military…

...It kind of strikes a sour note with me when people justify their own lack of military service by saying that some other relative served. It's as though that gives them a bye…

...I'm sure it's not what you intend, but it sounds as though you are somehow putting yourself on equal footing with someone who has put on the uniform and given years of their lives (and in some cases, much more) to defend our country, and our way of life."


Yes, I was petty, but no more petty than he was. I have no problem with Radio's serving in a blockhouse Radio Station in Vietnam safely behind the Grunt's bayonet and rifle that protected him at his work, and he should have no problems with people, who for one reason or another that could not serve, as they defend and support their children they have raised with justified pride to protect this country.

Radio has often said, he would never allow his children to do the same.

You are right though, I was a Grunt, and I took all my shots in the front, and the campaign awards I received were for the benefit of 'being in the soup' so to speak of my MOS. I can not judge what I did in comparison to what he did not have the oportunity to do. I apologize! After all, our job was to protect those that could not protect themselves.

[enviro]

Speaking of reading things right, maybe you should take your own advice. My post had nothing against any of yours. I brought up facts that can be verified.

I have no problem "questioning events" as you say, but you take it a step further and come up with your "own answers".

I neither disputed nor defended you. I quoted radio quoting you.

Comparing me to an Islamic Fundamentalist is unexcusable. I'm suggesting that you go do something vile to yourself.

Up until now I thought you had your head screwed on right, but with a worthless comment like that, your true colors show through.

[micah24]

What is this trash?

Cindy Sheehan, left, is escorted by supporter Jeff Key at the Waco, Texas, airport Wednesday on returning from caring for her ailing mother.

Anybody know if that guy was really in the Marines?