New Uniform Policy Order

[USMCgrunt0331]

I've got a couple questions and a comment about this order.
My question is: What's it mean when it's talking about a breast insignia on the Utilities? Rank insignia on the chest like the new army cammies?

And another question: What's the Blue-white uniform?

My comment is: That is complete bullcrap that they are gonna allow civilian contractors to wear our Marine cammies. They didn't earn them, don't rate them, and them wearing it will only make the Marine Corps look bad. What are people gonna think when they see video footage or photos on TV or something of people in Marine Digi's, but they don't have their boots bloused, or they have a beard or goatee, or they are a fat @ss, or it's otherwise jacked up? They aren't gonna know they are civilians, they are just gonna see th Digi's and assume they are some nasty looking Marines. They should be made to wear the old-style cammies with no kind of identification if they really need cammies.


MARADMIN 322/05

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Date signed: 07/19/2005 MARADMIN Number: 322/05
Subject: PROCEEDINGS OF MARINE CORPS UNIFORM BOARD NO. 207 AND MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES


R 191900Z JUL 05
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(UC)
UNCLASSIFIED//
MARADMIN 322/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC DMCS//
SUBJ/PROCEEDINGS OF MARINE CORPS UNIFORM BOARD NO. 207
/AND MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES//
REF/A/DOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB/DTIME:050304//
REF/B/DOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB/26SEP2004//
REF/C/DOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB/31MAR2003//
POC/GS12 M. BOYT/MCUB/(703)432-4607 /-/EMAIL:MARY.BOYT@USMC.MIL/-/-//
NARR/REF A IS CMC DECISION MEMORANDUM FOR MCUB NO. 207. REF B IS
MCBUL 10120, FY05 INDIVIDUAL CLOTHING ALLOWANCES. REF C IS MCO
P1020.34G, MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS.//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. SITUATION. ON 4 MAR 2005, CMC MADE DECISIONS ON
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF UNIFORM BOARD NO. 207. A COPY OF REFERENCE
(A) MAY BE VIEWED ON THE UNIFORM BOARD WEBSITE AT
WWW.MARCORSYSCOM.USMC.MIL/SITES/MCUB.
2. MISSION. TO ANNOUNCE CMC DECISIONS FOR UNIFORM BOARD NO. 207.
3. EXECUTION. PER REFERENCE (A), CMC MADE THE FOLLOWING DECISIONS
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF UNIFORM BOARD NO. 207.
A. APPROVED RECOMMENDATIONS
(1) ISSUE: EFFECTIVE 1 OCT 05, DELETE THE DRESS BLUE UNIFORM ITEMS
FROM THE INITIAL ISSUE AND MANDATORY REQUIREMENT LISTS AND EARMARK
COST SAVINGS TO FUND OTHER CLOTHING INITIATIVES.
(2) ISSUE: APPROVE SUPPLEMENTARY DRESS BLUE ALLOWANCES FOR
CEREMONIAL DETAILS (COLOR AND FUNERAL) FOR MCRSC (RUC 36005), MCD
FORT LEONARD WOOD (RUC 54063) AND EWTGLANT (RUC M56011), EFFECTIVE 1
OCT 2005.
(3) ISSUE: CHANGE GUIDANCE ON THE WEAR OF HEADGEAR IN POVS TO STATE
THAT IT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED.
(4) ISSUE: REQUIRE THE WEAR OF THE RED NECKTAB WITH THE FEMALE
OFFICER DRESS BLUE "A"/"B" UNIFORMS, AND THE BLACK NECKTAB WITH THE
FEMALE OFFICER DRESS BLUE "C" UNIFORMS.
(5) ISSUE: AUTHORIZE ALL FEMALE MARINES TO WEAR 6 MM WHITE DIAMOND
(OR DIAMOND-LIKE) STUD EARRINGS WITH THE EVENING DRESS UNIFORM,
WHILE STILL ALLOWING THE WEAR OF PEARL EARRINGS.
B. DISAPPROVED RECOMMENDATION. ISSUE: AUTHORIZE THE WEAR OF
GOLD-PLATED ENLISTED GRADE INSIGNIA ON THE SERVICE SWEATER WITH
EPAULETTES.
C. THE FOLLOWING MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES, PREVIOUSLY DECIDED BY CMC
BUT HELD IN ABEYANCE PENDING FUNDING, HAVE NOW BEEN FUNDED AND WILL
BE IMPLEMENTED AS FOLLOWS.
(1) SUPPLEMENTARY DRESS BLUE ALLOWANCE FOR BLOUNT ISLAND COMMAND.
EFFECTIVE 1 OCTOBER 2005, A MEDIUM DRESS BLUE ALLOWANCE FOR 12
ENLISTED MARINES ASSIGNED TO CEREMONIAL DETAILS (COLOR GUARD AND
FUNERAL) FOR BLOUNT ISLAND COMMAND (RUC M38450) IS ESTABLISHED.
(2) SPECIAL INITIAL UTILITY UNIFORM (SIUU) ALLOWANCE TO SAILORS.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SIUU FOR ENLISTED SAILORS PERMANENTLY
ASSIGNED OR TEMPORARILY SERVING WITH THE MARINE CORPS, AS DEPICTED
IN REFERENCE (B), ENCLOSURE (5), IS CHANGED TO INCLUDE ALL ENLISTED
SAILORS SERVING WITH THE MARINE CORPS, NOT JUST THOSE SERVING IN
CERTAIN JOB SPECIALTIES/RATINGS.
D. THE MCUB WEBSITE HAS BEEN UPDATED TO INCORPORATE SEVERAL CHANGES
TO REFERENCE (C) THAT WERE EITHER ERRONEOUSLY OMITTED OR HAVE
RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT, MCUB. THESE CHANGES WILL
BE INCORPORATED INTO CHANGE 5 OF REFERENCE (C) AND DEAL WITH THE
FOLLOWING ISSUES.
(1) PARA 1000.6 - WEAR OF THE UNIFORM IS A MATTER OF PRIDE (ALMAR
299/97).
(2) PARA 1004.7C(5) - LIPSTICK WHEN WORN MUST BE IN RED SPECTRUM
(ALMAR 039/01).
(3) PARA 1005.2A - REMOVAL OF HEADGEAR INDOORS WHILE ONBOARD A
MILITARY INSTALLATION (PMCUB DECISION OF 29 JAN 04).
(4) PARA 2003 - WEAR OF BLUE-WHITE UNIFORM (ALMAR 059/01).
(5) PARA 3024 - WEAR OF PROTECTIVE MOTORCYCLE SAFETY JACKET IN
UNIFORM (PMCUB DECISION OF 4 MAR 05).
(6) PARA 4002.3B - BREAST INSIGNIA ON UTILITY UNIFORM (PMCUB
DECISION 8 OCT 03).
(7) PARA 4004.3 - WEAR OF ENLISTED RANK INSIGNIA ON SERVICE/DRESS
SWEATER (MARADMIN 059/01).
(8) PARA 4005.1 - WEAR OF SHINY/BLACK OFFICER RANK INSIGNIA (ALMAR
015/02).
(9) PARA 4005.3A AND 4005.3C - WEAR OF OFFICER RANK INSIGNIA
(MARADMIN 199/04).
(10) PARA 8005 - WEAR OF UTILITLIES BY CIVILIAN TECHNICIANS AND
CONTRACTORS (MARADMIN 496/04).
4. ADMINISTRATION AND LOGISTICS
A. ADMINISTRATION. A FORMAL CHANGE TO REFERENCE (C) INCORPORATING
THE ABOVE WILL BE PUBLISHED SEPARATELY.
B. LOGISTICS. N/A.
5. COMMAND AND SIGNAL. THIS MARADMIN IS APPLICABLE TO THE TOTAL
FORCE MARINE CORPS.
6. QUESTIONS MAY BE REFERRED TO M. BOYT, PROJECT OFFICER, MCUB
(EMAIL "BOYTMK@MCSC.USMC.MIL"), AT DSN 378-4607.
//

[bdfairchild]

Breast insignia here refers to insignia designating Aircrew, jump qual, scuba qual, etc.
Hopefully we will never wear rank insignia on our chests. However, that could create interesting situations for us in explaining to female officers that we were just "Confirming her rank" before saluting.

The "Blue-White" uniform refers to the wearing of white trousers with the Dress blue blouse.

[USMCgrunt0331]

Thanks for the info. The thing about the order above is that it mentions something, but doesn't say exactly what about it is changing. It just says "wearing of breast insignia" but not what's changing about it. I wonder what the deal is w/ the Blue-whites and who or when Marines will wear them.

Any more info on any of the new regulations would be appreciated.

[enviro]

Wear of Breast Insignia on Utility Uniforms. Per PMCUB decision of 8 Oct 2003, Marines may wear shiny, oxidized or antique breast insignia at their option with the combat utility uniform unless otherwise directed by the commanding officer.

The above is not an "order" - it's a "MARADMIN" or Marine Administrative Message. It's just a simple bulletin. Memos and Orders will follow later on. That's why it is so vague.

Here is the "Memorandum" that authorizes a change to the "Marine Corps Order"

Memorandum


Blue-Whites are worn by Marines in ceremonial positions mostly like the band or those in diplomatic posts.

http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/

[EDNA TRIMBLE]

marines, and ONLY MARINES earned the right to wear their uniforms or cammies and NO one else!!!