Who Is John Kerry?

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by eddief
He's just using his military service the way Bush uses his supposed born again status.

Kerry's military service was for show.

Bush's convictions are for real!

[enviro]

He's just using his military service the way Bush uses his supposed born again status

True - but you can be a born-again Christian.

You cannot be a born-again hero.


Bush was never too over-the-top about his born-again status.

Kerry makes his hero status a topic of every speech he gives.


I don't think I've ever heard of a Presidential Candidate use their supposed war-record as much as Kerry since Douglas MacArthur ran for president.

[yellowwing]

I have personally seen senior SNCOs and field grade officers in 1983+ with the Purple Heart with silver star to notate way more than three awards, (is it 5 or 6?).

The only exception was a Colonel Chief of Staff. He had the Silver Star on down, and would ocassionally and proudly say, "See these, Lcpl? Not a single Purlple Heart, I was too good of an Aviator through two tours!"

Anyway, my questions still stands, How did Kerry end up in front of Congress testifying his version of Vietnam?

[enviro]

December 1968

While the campaign cannot locate a detailed report on the injuries that earn Kerry his first Purple Heart, a brief medical note in his personal files dated Dec. 3, 1968, reads, "Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. Shrapnel removed and appl (sic) bacitracin dressing. Ret to Duty."


Feb. 20, 1969

Sustains a shrapnel wound to the thigh during a firefight, earning his second Purple Heart.


March 13, 1969

Kerry is wounded in the right arm when a mine explodes near his boat, earning him his third Purple Heart. He's also awarded the Bronze Star for pulling to safety one of his boatmates who was thrown overboard.


March 1969

After his third Purple Heart, the Navy is required to reassign Kerry out of Vietnam. In a document dated March 17, Kerry requests duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York or the Washington area.


January 1970

Kerry is honorably discharged six months before his commitment is to end, so he may run for a House seat in Massachusetts. He later gives up his bid for the Democratic nomination and joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War.


1971

Organizes anti-war protests, tossing his war ribbons away at one in D.C. Critics question whether Kerry, who says he also threw the medals of other veterans, claimed he threw his own as well. He also testifies to Congress against the war and is arrested at a Lexington, Mass., protest.

At a march in September 1970, Kerry took the stage with actress Jane Fonda and several other anti-war activists. Kerry held his own, Brinkley writes, drawing wild applause with a stirring speech.

"We are here because we above all others have earned the right to criticize the war in Southeast Asia," Kerry declared. "We are here to say that it is not patriotism to ask Americans to die for a mistake."

He next attended a VVAW affair in Detroit, where veterans gave testimony about the war, some admitting to terrible atrocities against the enemy and civilians.

That gathering, which formed the basis for Kerry's Senate testimony, remains controversial, with some critics alleging that some who spoke never served in Vietnam and gave false testimony.

'Tool of the Communists'

Then came a march on Washington in April 1971, an event that put President Richard Nixon on the defensive. The veterans camped on the Washington Mall in defiance of a court order, staged "guerrilla theater" and lobbied Congress.

But the climactic moment was Kerry's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a two-hour performance that many found compelling. Kerry was vaulted instantly into the spotlight, profiled in Time and Newsweek magazines and on the CBS program "60 Minutes."

"Up until then, veterans protesting the war were seen as whiners or radicals, but Kerry was articulate and clean-cut," Brinkley said. "It showed the country that maybe something was wrong with the war if a true hero questioned it. It was a watershed moment of 1971."

A day after his testimony, Kerry joined a parade of veterans tossing medals over a fence near the Capitol steps. He pitched his own combat ribbons, not his medals, along with medals from other veterans who could not attend and asked him to do so, Brinkley writes.

But for many, the combination of denouncing the war, recounting American atrocities and discarding war decorations is too much.



1972

After leaving the anti-war veterans group, Kerry wins the Democratic nomination for Massachusetts' Fifth District in the House. He loses the election and goes on to become a lawyer and prosecutor before returning to politics in the 1980s.

[enviro]

Early April, 1969 -- U.S. Naval Lieutenant John Kerry leaves Vietnam and is soon reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.

November 22, 1969 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as saying, "I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."

December, 1969 -- Kerry requests an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat on an antiwar platform.

January 3, 1970 -- Kerry is discharged from active duty.

February 13, 1970 -- Candidate Kerry tells the Harvard Crimson, "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations," and that he wants "to almost eliminate CIA activity."

February, 1970 -- CCI co-sponsors its first "commissions of inquiry" in Toronto and Annapolis MD, and begins providing accounts of war crimes to the press. During the next few months, the CCI holds events in Springfield Massachusetts, Richmond, New York City, Buffalo, Boston, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Portland Oregon.

March, 1970 -- Kerry drops out of the Fourth District congressional race to make way for antiwar activist Father Robert F. Drinan, dean of Boston College Law School, and later becomes chairman of Drinan's campaign. Drinan defeats pro-war incumbent Philip Philbin in the Democratic primary and goes on to win the general election.

May 7, 1970 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show for the first time, speaking in opposition to U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

May 23, 1970 -- Kerry marries Julia Stimson Thorne in New York.

Late May or early June, 1970 -- John and Julia Kerry travel to Paris on a private trip. Kerry meets with Madam Win Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG) -- the political wing of the Vietcong -- and with representatives of Hanoi who were in Paris for the peace talks.

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

October, 1970 -- Jane Fonda and Al Hubbard raise money for the VVAW and create new chapters through a nationwide lecture tour covering more than 50 college campuses. Fonda and Mark Lane also plug the VVAW during appearances on the Dick Cavett Show.

February 19, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet in New York to plan the organization's next action. John Kerry proposes to "march on Washington and take this whole thing to Congress." The protest is designated "Dewey Canyon III," after two military operations into Laos intended to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Early 1971 -- Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland form "FTA" (F*** The Army), an anti-war, anti-American road show that tours near Army bases in order to undermine troop morale. Skits and songs portray American defeats, soldiers refusing to fight, and the murder of officers by their troops. FTA cast members mingle with soldiers after the shows, encouraging them to desert or to sabotage the Army.

March, 1971 -- Jane Fonda meets privately in Paris with Madame Binh of the PRG. Fonda then flies to London where according to the book "Citizen Jane" she alleges American atrocities that include "applying electrodes to prisoners' genitals, mass rapes, slicing off of body parts, scalping, skinning alive, and leaving 'heat tablets' around which burned the insides of children who ate them.'"

March 16, 1971 -- John Kerry holds a news conference with retired general David Shoup in a congressional hearing room.

Early April, 1971 -- The VVAW is flat broke the week before the Dewey Canyon III event, with no way to transport protestors. In his book "Home to War," Gerald Nicosia will report that "Kerry immediately got on the phone to some of the biggest Democratic Party fund-raisers in New York and set up a meeting. When it broke up, VVAW was $75,000 in the black, and busfare for at least a few hundred out-of-towners was assured."

April 18, 1971 -- John Kerry and Al Hubbard appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" to allege widespread atrocities by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. Hubbard is introduced as a former Air Force captain who had spent two years in Vietnam and was wounded in action. Kerry seems to admit to committing war crimes, saying, "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

[enviro]

April 18 - 23, 1971 -- Operation Dewey Canyon III. More than a thousand VVAW members stage an "invasion" of Washington D.C., where they hold memorial ceremonies, meet with sympathetic members of Congress, camp on the Mall, perform "guerilla theater" -- re-enactments of atrocities against civilians, complete with fake blood -- on the Capitol steps and in front of the Justice Department, and hold a candlelight march around the White House carrying an upside-down American flag. At the end of the six-day event, a number of the veterans throw military medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol in a gesture of contempt. Many shout obscenities or threats against the government. The protests receive enthusiastic coverage in the communist Daily World newspaper on April 20th (Part 1, Part 2), 21st (Part 1, Part 2), 23rd (Part 1, Part 2), and 24th (Part 1, Part 2). Later in 1971, Kerry and the VVAW will publish The New Soldier, a book of essays and photographs documenting the event.

April 22, 1971 -- John Kerry testifies on behalf of the VVAW before the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs. He claims that American soldiers had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..." and that these acts were "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Kerry also accuses the U.S. military of "rampant" racism and of being "more guilty than any other body" of violating the Geneva Conventions, supports "Madame Binh's points" when asked to recommend a peace proposal, and states that any reprisals against the South Vietnamese after an American withdrawal would be "far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America."

April 22, 1971 -- The NBC Nightly News reveals that Al Hubbard had not been an Air Force Captain, as he claimed, but a staff sergeant E-5. A later investigation of Hubbard's military records shows that he was never assigned to Vietnam.

April 25 - 28, 1971 -- Congressman Dellums sponsors ad hoc war crimes hearings organized by the CCI and attended at least in part by twenty members of Congress.

April 27, 1971 -- Hundreds of thousands of protestors march in Washington, D.C., led by members of the VVAW. Kerry spoke to the crowd, accepting applause on behalf of "the 1,200 active-duty GIs who took part in the [Dewey Canyon III] demonstration." The Daily World is on the job, with glowing coverage of the day's events (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4).

May 3, 1971 -- VVAW members throw bags of cow manure on the steps of the Mall Entrance to the Pentagon, then offer to clean up the mess in return for an audience with an assistant Secretary of Defense. This offer is rejected, and 28 people are arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

May 25, 1971 -- Kerry appears on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer. Asked whether he wants to be President of the United States, Kerry replies in the negative, and calls it a "crazy question."

June 20, 1971 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show to debate Navy veteran John O'Neill, who is representing a group called Veterans for a Just Peace put together by the Nixon Administration.

July 17, 1971 -- Following a month-long speaking tour of the Soviet Union and other countries, six VVAW and CCI members meet with PRG representatives in Paris to show support for the communist peace plan.

July 20, 1971 -- Leaders of the VVAW hold a staff meeting. They agree to use the designations favored by North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Vietnam) and the Vietcong (Provisional Revolutionary Government) for future press releases, decide to remove all American flags from VVAW offices, and discuss how best to handle Al Hubbard's planned trip to Hanoi.

July 24, 1971 -- the Daily World features a photograph of John Kerry speaking in support of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (Vietcong) Seven Point Plan.

August, 1971 -- VVAW Executive Committee member Joe Urgo travels with other antiwar leaders to North Vietnam, where he meets with Prime Minister Pham Van Dong.

August, 1971 -- The FBI opens a full investigation of the VVAW to "determine the extent of control over VVAW by subversive groups and/or violence-prone elements in the antiwar movement," noting that "sources had provided information that VVAW was stockpiling weapons, VVAW had been in contact with North Vietnam officials in Paris, France, VVAW was receiving funds from former CPUSA members and VVAW was aiding and financing U.S. military deserters. Additionally, information had been received that some individual chapters throughout the country had been infiltrated by the youth groups of the CPUSA and the SWP [Socialist Workers Party]." Source: FBI Memorandum to Senate Select Committee, 12/2/75, pp. 2-3; Hearings, Vol. 6, Exhibit 72.

Late August, 1971 -- Kerry and Hubbard meet with leftist millionaires in East Hampton to promote the VVAW and show film clips of atrocity claims from the Winter Soldier Investigation. According to the New York Times, a request for funds had the attendees "scrambling for pens and checkbooks."

November 12-15, 1971 -- the VVAW leadership meets in Kansas City. Fearing surveillance by authorities, the group relocates the meeting to another building. They debate, then vote down a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Several witnesses, meeting minutes and FBI records eventually place John Kerry at this meeting.

December 26, 1971 -- Fifteen VVAW protesters take over the Statue of Liberty and drape a large upside-down American flag across the statue's face.

December 27, 1971 -- Twenty-five VVAW protesters take over the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia, hanging an upside-down American flag in front of the house.

December 28, 1971 -- 150 VVAW protesters splash bags of blood in front of the White House, then take over the Lincoln Memorial. 87 are arrested.

January 11, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at Dartmouth College.

January 25, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "People's State of the Union" in Washington, D.C.

February, 1972 -- A VVAW delegation attends a World Assembly for Peace and Independence of the People of Indochina in Versailles, France.

April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.

July 8 - 22, 1972 -- Jane Fonda visits Hanoi, where she makes numerous radio broadcasts to American military personnel, encouraging mutiny and desertion while repeatedly claiming that the United States is committing war crimes in Vietnam. Fonda also visits American prisoners, reporting on the air that they are being "well cared for" and that they wished to convey their "sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do." Upon leaving North Vietnam, Fonda accepts from her hosts a ring made from the wreckage of a downed American plane.

September 18, 1972 -- John Kerry's brother Cameron and Vietnam veteran Thomas Vallely are arrested in Lowell, Massachusetts in the basement of a building that houses both Kerry's campaign headquarters and those of opposing candidate Tony DiFruscia. Cameron Kerry and Vallely are charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. Kerry will win the Democratic nomination for a Massachusetts congressional seat the next day, but lose in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin. Thomas Vallely will later become director of the Vietnam Program at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

Late 1972 -- The U.S Congress votes to eliminate funding for military operations in Indochina.

January, 1973 -- The Nixon Administration signs the Treaty of Paris.

February and March, 1973 -- American prisoners of war are released by North Vietnam. They report having been starved, beaten and tortured by their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they admitted to committing war crimes.

April, 1973 -- Jane Fonda calls the freed American prisoners "hypocrites and pawns," insisting that, "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

[yellowwing]

That is pretty thorough. Thank you, I have never seen this data.

I still missed who in the Congressional Investigation summoned John Kerry. And why did they single out Kerry and not the likes of John McCain, Max Cleland, or even John O'Neill and Ted Sampley?

[enviro]

Basically, John Kerry was so famous for his anti-war approach and just beginning to get into politics, he had some connections. He was invited byt the Senate Intelligence Committee (by exactly whom, I'm not sure).

They wanted an officer who was a "hero" to feed their anti-war mindset. That was pretty hard to find until Kerry came along.

[yellowwing]

Okay in relation to the People of the Republic, who is Congress? Why did the then current representatives of America want this guy Kerry instead of John O'Neill?

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by yellowwing
Is anyone researched how Kerry came to giving his controversial Congressional testimony? Who and why got him on the Hill that day to talk about Vietnam?

Kerry has been connected to the Kennedy's from the beginning.

Ted Kennedy met with him for three hours late one night before the VVAW demonstrated and a few days before he was invited to testify before Congress. It was all pre-arranged and if you may have noticed, Ted Kennedy at the DNC mentioned that it was there, that he met John Kerry, but Kerry was already dating John Kennedy's sister-in-law.

Ted Kennedy was involved with other legislators in opposing the war mostly because it was draining money they wished to use for social programs, which was one of the reasons President Johnson decided not to run for re-election.

It was by Ted Kennedy’s invitation that Kerry got to testify before Congress. Kerry practiced and practiced that speech for days before he appeared before Congress.

The Vietnam Veterans Against the War were broke and needed money to transport demonstrators to Washington, D.C.But, after Kenney’s meeting with Kerry, Jane Fonda and a very liberal moneybags man from New York that has never been identified provided $50.000 to the VVAW.


Everything Kerry has been doing has been planned for this time in history. But, along came the Clinton's and they were suppose to set the stage for Kerry but then Bill blew it, or rather he got blown and it all blew up.... LOL

No conspiracy here, just recorded history.

All punts intended. I maybe off on some of the dates here but its pretty much what happened.

What we should be asking is;

How come he was able to leave Vietnam early (that was not normal Naval practice, even with three purple hearts), after only 4 months?

How was it that they then allowed him to leave the military service early within a month of his request? Someone was pulling strings for him.

How was it that after his Co denied his request for his 1st Purple Heart, he still got it, when Kerry went over his CO’s head.

How was it that he got invited to go on the Dick Cavett show? Was it because he needed this high profile visibility so when he met with our enemies in Paris later that same month they would take him seriously?

The secret to this is based on his political connections to both people in high office in Washington DC and those in Hollywood.
What is interesting is his marriage to two wealthy women that are both dingbats.....LOL

Cook

[MillRatUSMC]

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Wonder which politicans are we talking here?
People wonder how John Forbes Kerry got to leave Vietnam early.
Might the name "Forbes" have anything to do with his early release?
Money talks but does bull$hit walks?
Not in this case money did some talking and some bull$hit did some walking.

Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
Ricardo

PS might I be getting an E-mail to not post that or have this deleted because it offends money and bull$hit...

[thedrifter]

The Anti-war Hero
Opposition and protest, not mature leadership, have defined John Kerry’s political career. | 30 July 2004


One thing that just about everybody seems to accept about John Kerry is that he was a “war hero.” Kerry’s staged arrival in Boston for the Democratic convention in a water taxi, surrounded by some of his old crew from the Mekong Delta; the introduction to his nomination acceptance speech by his “band of brothers,” and the first lines of that speech—“I’m John Kerry and I’m reporting for duty”—followed by a snappy salute, all made clear that, in a time of war, his military service is his calling card. In reality, however, Kerry was something else, unique in American history (and in the annals of presidential candidacies). For though he indeed served valiantly in Vietnam, his service wasn’t of the Audie Murphy type—known and celebrated immediately at the time for its own sake. Rather, Kerry’s Vietnam valor became important only as a prelude, a bona fide that gave weight to his true debut on the public stage: as the galvanizing figure of Vietnam Veterans against the War—not so much a war hero as an anti-war hero.

Kerry’s protest stance is no mere footnote to his biography; it has defined his political career, lies at the heart of his appeal, and constitutes a crucial flaw in his fitness to lead. It is a flaw that his generation (my own) has struggled with, often unsuccessfully: recognizing that it is long past time for us to outgrow the self-righteousness of protest and, instead, make the difficult decisions of adult leadership. Kerry’s career offers little assurance that he is ready for the heavy responsibility of the White House; it is a career, rather, conducted very much in the spirit of the Volvo owners’ bumper stickers that I often see here in his home town of Boston: middle-aged executives and parents of grown up children still urging others to “Question Authority.”

To be fair, Kerry was indeed in charge on the Navy swift boat in Vietnam and he did make combat leadership decisions. But he didn’t return stateside as a commander offering advice on how to win the war. Instead, he captured the nation’s attention with his question, asked rhetorically in Congressional testimony: “How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake?” Was the mistake to fight the Communist North? Or was the mistake one of strategy and tactics? A forthright stand either way would have marked Kerry as a leader. Instead, he adopted the mantle of mere protest.

Kerry’s Senate career has followed a similar path of critique rather than constructive proposal. Whatever one thinks of the other ultraliberal senator from Massachusetts, Edward Kennedy’s congressional career can show genuine legislative accomplishment—putting his name on consequential bills from the widespread establishment of health maintenance organizations to the requirement that employers offer family and medical leaves to employees. Kerry, though, has “in the majority made his name as an investigator,” note Michael Barone and Grant Unjifusa in their Almanac of American Politics.

In some of Kerry’s Senate work—such as a probe of the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International—he’s struck some pay dirt. But he was also “spending some time up blind alleys with klieg lights,” Barone and Unjifusa observe. The key point here, however, is not whether Kerry the investigator was on solid ground but that his career preference has been that of the critic, not the sponsor, the tearer down rather than the builder up. Even some of his limited legislative accomplishments—for instance, his 1994 fight to limit development of nuclear breeder reactors—have been fundamentally negative.

So, too, did Kerry’s acceptance speech at the convention reflect the view that the spirit of protest provides the high points of American political history. He invoked the greatest hits of 1960s protest and saw his role in public life to deliver more of the same: the sixties era, he pronounced, was a “great journey—a time to march for civil rights, for the environment, for women and for peace. We believed we could change the world. And you know what? We did. But we’re not finished. The journey isn’t over. The march isn’t over.” Kerry seemed like an aging one-hit wonder rock star, who’d suddenly found that his song had come back in style. At last, another president could be charged with misleading the nation about war. Kerry’s wife, Teresa, expressed the protest mind-set in her convention speech too: “In America,” she said, “the true patriots are those who dare to speak the truth to power.”

The assumptions here are quite remarkable—that it will be others, not the true patriots, who will be in charge, exercising power. This adolescent attitude has been the trap of Kerry’s generation—the feel-good politics that comes from telling off someone else as opposed to the risky politics of adulthood, such as going to war without definitive information but in the assured presence of terrible threat. For whatever reasons—cultural and personal—George W. Bush stands apart from this generational hubris. He has taken risks and stands to defend them. By all evidence, John Kerry remains stuck in the protest politics that launched his career.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_07_30_04hh.html


Ellie

[yellowwing]

Ted Kennedy. Thankyou Sparrowahwk.

[Sparrowhawk]

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[danjate]

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