Vote Bush!

[charlie222]

Ok, Here is the story. Dec. 02, 1968: 1st P.H. arm wound, Feb. 26, 1969, 2nd P.H., shrapnel wound in left thigh. Feb. 28, 1969, In middle of firefight he leaves his boat pursues V.C. into hut kills V.C. and retreivies rocket launcher. Awarded Silver Star for that. Mar. 13, 1969, 3rd P.H. Mine denoated under / near boat and gets wound in right arm , but as boat is taking off they notice man (Special Forces Sgt), is overboard and go back for him. Enemy is trying to kill S.P. Sgt. Boat comes back and gets him out. He is awarded Bronze Star w/Combat V. Now, that is what I have found thru a few web sites. charlie222 out.

[Sixguns]

I won't play tit for tat between the two party candidates about their service or combat records. But if you think military service helps to make a President, how do you explain the Clinton years? I don't think most Americans have a strong opinion as to whether the COmmander-in-Chief needs to have had military service. I respect Sen. Kerry for serving in the service of his country. And until proven othrwise, his military awards and decorations were earned. This does not change my political views or party affiliation. Let's face it, a President cannot do everything. He can have some vistories in domestic policy, some in foreign affairs and others, but they will never win every battle or keep every campaign promise. In light of the Senate make up and majority, there could be difficulties in a democratic President achieving his campaign goals. One thing I hate the Dems for is the whole tax cuts for the wealthy speech they like to give. I am not in the top 10 percent of money makers in this country and thanks to President Bush, I got an $800 refund after getting my 2003 tax return check. I had a bigger return this year than last. The economy seems to be rebounding. So, I guess that leaves the war on terrorism and Operation Iraqi Freedom. I haven't noticed any planes crashing into national landmarks lately and haven't heard of any U.S. plane hijackings. So I guess there have been improvements since the policies were instituted. As for Iraq, I would love to ask the families of those who had a relative murdered or tortured by the former Iraqi President if life without Saddam is better. I bet we would find they like it better now. Yes, the citizens of Iraq are lacking some things their former government controlled and provided, but I think in time the will realize the invasion and removal of their dictator President proved successful at restoring Iraq to a better place.


SF,


Sixguns

[BIGFISH]

U.S.M.C. 1965-1971
Vietnam 1967-1969
Wounded
I'm voting for John Kerry
Bush never won the Pop. vote the last time , and he will not this time, that is my feelings , the people that voted for him last time will vote for him this time, the only one I see as picking up votes is John Kerry, I did't like the Dem. or Rep. the last time so I voted for Ralph . Bush might win the electoral vote again, but I don't think so, Johnson who was a Dem did the same thing as Bush's brother in Fla.,in fixing the election in Texas.

No matter what party you vote for , every person should vote.

[usmc4669]

BIGFISH

I'm voting for John Kerry
Bush never won the Pop. vote the last time , and he will not this time, that is my feelings , the people that voted for him last time will vote for him this time, the only one I see as picking up votes is John Kerry, I did't like the Dem. or Rep. the last time so I voted for Ralph . Bush might win the electoral vote again, but I don't think so, Johnson who was a Dem did the same thing as Bush's brother in Fla.,in fixing the election in Texas.

Ralph who?

BIGFISH in Japanese means SUCKER

[usmc4669]

Just make sure that all of you VOTE, if you don't then you have no right to B*TCH after the election is over.

[reddog4950]

Originally posted by charlie222
I think the Bronze Star was for going back and picking up that Special Forces Sgt. But the Purple Hearts seems strange that he did no Hospital time, what type of wounds would the "Corps" require. I think it would be more than an back to duty wound. I get hit and my flack jacket was ripped up in the back, but after the battle I just went to supply and pick up another one. The Corpsman wanted to check & sent me back to Bn. Aid. and I said what for I'm not bleeding and got back to my fire team. charlie222 out.

In the Corps he wouldn't have receive one purple heart. For straches and minor wounds you would never hit sick bay, just patch you up and back to duty.

[gwladgarwr]

Originally posted by r_rumler
the PA is such is something that the media shoved down our throats with the aide of Bush, Dick, Rummy, and Ashcroft. we have had terrorist attacks since God knows when. back to Ben Franklin who said if a "they give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety". The PA is a scare tactic that they recently brewed up to keep us from questioning them because if you do you have 6 armed company men busting down your door. I know the last statement was a little far fetched but it could happen. the only thing that FDR did after Pearl Harbor, was he resettled the Japanes Americans for safe keeping, which wasn't right either but it is a little better than taking everybodies freedom. i know it is a racist end, but what else was he going to do. we could go back to isolationism, and attack only when attacked, which is what George Washinton told us about, or in the severe case of Nuclear weapon threats, which in Iraq was probably fabricated. i will quit crying & moaning now

Originally posted by r_rumler
the PA is such is something that the media shoved down our throats with the aide of Bush, Dick, Rummy, and Ashcroft. we have had terrorist attacks since God knows when. back to Ben Franklin who said if a "they give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety"

Ben Franklin is right: give it up for a second, and you can kiss it goodbye for good. Funny that people who claim to have nothing to lose are the first to support the Patriot Act and give up someone else's.

[i].The PA is a scare tactic that they recently brewed up to keep us from questioning them because if you do you have 6 armed company men busting down your door. I know the last statement was a little far fetched but it could happen. the only thing that FDR did after Pearl Harbor, was he resettled the Japanes Americans for safe keeping, which wasn't right either but it is a little better than taking everybodies freedom. i know it is a racist end, but what else was he going to do. we could go back to isolationism, and attack only when attacked, which is what George Washinton told us about, or in the severe case of Nuclear weapon threats, which in Iraq was probably fabricated. i will quit crying & moaning now [/B]

Let me tell you something: I have NEVER heard anything so patronizing and condescending as your statement describing FDR's Executive Order 9066 and subsequent internment of (mostly) American citizens because of their race. SAFEKEEPING?! WTF?! Resettled?! Spare me. What, they were a bunch of three year-old orphans who didn't have the wits to care for themselves? I guess the Great Father, FDR, in his infinite yet caring wisdom, firmly believed that the rights of all those people, and the rest of the country, for that matter, would be better served - yea, protected, if we round 'em up like feral sheep and chuck 'em in concentration camps. Yeah, since you don't have Japanese blood, it's REAL easy for you to sacrifice MY freedom and MY civil liberties. Yeah, I guess it's better since they only took the freedom of 120,000+, most of whom were Americans, but not YOURS, or your relatives'. Guess what?! FDR DID take everybody's freedom with that unconstitutional executive order. Funny how the "slant-eyed" ones got scooped up, though, and most everybody else were left alone, eh? I mean, that's SO generous of you to give us up and sacrifice MY freedoms instead of YOURS and of your loved ones for the benefit of the country.

The second you're ready to give up MY freedoms and rights (and I couldn't give a spit about yours, judging from your statements), you will have a fight on your hands. If you want to sacrifice your own - that's YOUR deal. Don't you ever expect me to do the same.

BTW, Marseille was a major shipping point for deporting French and Spanish Jews by way of Lyons by the Nazis during WWII. Since you're into historical revisionism and love to euphamise FDR's actions re: the Nisei, the Nazi history reference in Marseille may pique your interest as well as are very appropriate to your point of view. Yes, the Nazis "evacuated" Jewish folks and "resettled" them to "labor installations" in Eastern Europe to "protect" them from the war and to "contribute" to the war effort.

[gatormatt]

Anyone see the John Kerry interview on MTV. I liked a lot of what he had to say. Him being a war protestor doesn't really bother me too much, I kind of like the way he has seen things from both sides, I think thats important.

At this point I'm still leaning towards Bush, but I'm keeping an open mind for the next several months.

[CplDawson]

r_rumler:
"Pel well put, and i understand what you are getting across, but i have to say that i love America, but i grew up in a question authority kind of household. My dad was a hippie, who still hasn't accepted the fact that i want to join the Marines, those are fun discussions. You have to admit that he exploited 9-11. I have little respect for either candidates, in that they both were rich kids growing up. I have respect more for kerry because, at least he knows a little bit about what happens in combat. 4 months is a lot more than 8 months snorting coke in Alabama or whereever he was. i do admit kerry was disrespectful in his youth, and that he flip-flops his stance but who doesn't from time to time. my final reason not to vote bush is that he is the first one since the 1920's to hinder our freedoms. I love America, but i can see it turning into an Orwellian 1984 if we don't speak up when something isn't right."

"but i grew up in a question authority kind of household."

Guess what in the Marines you dont question Jack you take orders and just do what your told when your told how you are told, other wise you get slapped with insubordination, derolicton of duty and what ever else charges they want. You should really think twice about joining the Corps.....

"You have to admit that he exploited 9-11."

Exploited hmmmm lets see we know for a fact that while we were pressing toward Baghdad that large trucks were moving from goverment facilites into Pakistan.....gee what could that be? not only that but think about a country the size of California and have dissasembled hunks of metal scattered about California and you try to find them above and under ground! While trying to keep your ass from getting shot at.

Not to mention that the Great Democrate Clinton cut intelegence by over 50% which included on the ground spies that would have been in the country in the goverment telling us what was going on. That we had to rely on other countries to gather that information for us.

Then even comparing Kerri, he who voted down every new weapons spending program that came up the f-15 the f-16 the 50 cal. the Abrahms tank program. Not to mention that he was also a strong supporter of cutting the spening on the CIA and the FBI and voted against aporpriation bills for them.

Clinton while still president had some people on the ground and had the chance to take out Osama but the guy who carried the Nucular Football (Cant think off his name right now) in his book that got little attention said that the President was no where to be found to give the order not even he know where the President was. At a moments notice he is supposed to be at the side of the President so he can give the codes if need be...what the heck is that!

"I have respect more for kerry because, at least he knows a little bit about what happens in combat. 4 months is a lot more than 8 months"

Son who have not even been to boot camp yet, you dont even know what pride in the military is! never the less combat! what a f'n laugh here is a guy Kerry while on patrol the captin of his own boat leaves his boat and men to go chase a guy on foot to kill him. Deroliction of duty! he should have stayed with his boat and sent one of his men after the guy on foot....son I tell you what your right 4months in combat is alot but you first make it through boot camp without going awol with someone telling you when to scrub your nutsack first you earn the title and then this conversation will change.

"in that they both were rich kids growing up."

You dont respect someone because they were rich kids growing up....thats like saying you dont respect someone because they are black.....hey dad I'm here now lets sell everything we own and be a middle income family or destitute so later on I wont have some snot nosed sniveling little poolee not respect me....hello one of those will be your commander and chief the person that is or is not gong to send you into a combat zone do you think he cares a rip if yourespect him or not NO just shut your mouth and follow orders and if your lucky enough you'll fly home un-escorted with a flag!

"snorting coke in Alabama or whereever he was."

Hey you part of the MTV generation you should think this is cool your buddies thought it was great Clinton said he smoked Marijane but did not in-hale!

Not only that but I worked with reserves in my last duty assignment and there were some that I saw once that year because there is more then one way to serve and do your time in the reserves and finding someone to say yeah I served with him when he was a nobody! I look at a year book to try and remember some of the name I went to highschool ten years ago....I cant imagine what it would be like to try and remember someone 30 years ago!


"i do admit kerry was disrespectful in his youth,"

You mean calling all of these Marines that served in Vietnam on here baby killers would that be disrecpectful? He did that he trys to say he didnt but you can listen to his own words and read his own words on line when he testified before congress. Not only that but the North Vietnemse General incharge in his book in 1985 let me say that again 1985 said "If it had not been for groups like Kerry's soldiers against the war, Amrica would have won." Kerry has shown since he got back from Vietnam that he has done nothing but undermine our military and our country! His words and actions are an afront and should insult every person who put on a uniform, and if your tree hugging hippie libral dad is voting for him, that should tell you something.

"and that he flip-flops his stance but who doesn't from time to time."

After 9/11 Bush stated we will go after anyone who harbors or supports terrorism, not only that the WMD are just one thing on a long list that the UN had against Saddam. We know now that he was abusing the food for oil program, we know that other countries such as France and Germany were dealing under the table with Iraq. So nowwith all that we should tell Bush hey pull out forget the mass graves forget the fact that he gassed his own people.....but hey lets have this President flip flop and pull a Clinton and pull out like the coward did in Mogadishu.

"my final reason not to vote bush is that he is the first one since the 1920's to hinder our freedoms."

What of your freedoms do you no longer have? Do you mean that you might have the FBI listen in on your calls well if you are a terrorist then yeah if you are breeaking the law and are a national threat then yeah but none of the Patriot act laws effect your everyday life.

"I love America, but i can see it turning into an Orwellian 1984 if we don't speak up when something isn't right."

One of the beauties we have here in America as citizens is the right to free speech...however one should should unlike Kerry consider the impact of those words unlike other countries such as China and the formerly communist Russia and unlike many Arabic countries such as Saudia Arabia is that you have the right to speak out against your goverment, and demand changes. The stament that this is going to be an Orwellian society is ignorant and is a democratic party scare tactic. That would be like saying that if we ban gay marriages being tantumont to Racism. We have learned from our mastakes as a culture and society and there will always be tree hugging librals like your daddy and you around that this soceity of ours will not go backwards but will continue on and be the BEST DAMN COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!

[usmc4669]

Pel

I agree with most everything that you have said, I really do. But think about how good we do have it. Any other country is completly unalike us. We have 8 times the murder rate of any other country in the world. I hate the PA. But something had to come in todays world. And you and I both would be utterly ****ed of if it had been something other than the PA that is much worse, That truely does block our rights and our feelings for our constitution. Think about what other countries have. And then think about how little it truely affects you as a person. I wish that we didnt need anything at all. But im affraid that in todays world they DO need SOMETHING, otherwise this country would break apart like it was originaly intended. Did you know the United States wasnt supposed to last as long as it has? Put than that can be worked to say that because of our freedoms we have worked together and kept this country alive,
I just dont know.

Pel if you do join the Marines, would you hornor President George W. Bush orders if you were told you would have to go to Iraq and fight? Or would you do like the Natioal Gusrdmans did and refuse to go.

[Jon Taylor]

Bush will definately receive my vote. The war in Iraq is imperative to all Americans' safety. After all, 9/11 was executed by Al-Qaeda, who has links in Iraq. Al-Qaeda wants to have all 1 billion members of Islam run under the same fundamentalist perversion that they do. Keep in mind that the main belief of Islam is that all non Muslims are infidels. 1 billion angry Muslims cannot be very good to the future of the United States... The preservation of America and American democracy begins overseas with the elimination of terrorist and twisted anti-western/American faith. Militant Muslims selflessly dedicated to the total destruction of America and its ideals need to be destroyed much like weeds; at the roots, so they cannot spread. John Kerry, once he actually comes out and supports a political issue 100%, will more than likely move towards withdrawal of American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan prematurely, greatly increasing the risk of the spread of terrorism into the homeland. John Kerry is running for the presidency as if it were a popularity contest; he has not been able to stick to one side of any one issue, changing his stances and responses in front of different political demographics. He is a man who lacks any real personal substance and is the LAST person who should EVER be elected in the Oval Office, especially at a critical time as the present situation overseas. Mr. "G. Dubs" in office right now is the right man for the office for right now. He is wholeheartedly committed to American safety and preservation, which is and should be priority number one to all Americans given the conditions. Vote "G. Dubs" '04.

[BIGFISH]

I will vote for Kerry, the vote will be the same as the last time except I think Kerry's running mate will be from fla.

[gwladgarwr]

Originally posted by usmc4669
BIGFISH



Ralph who?

BIGFISH in Japanese means SUCKER

No, actually: BIGFISH in Japanese means "OOKI SAKANA". I'd put in the Japanese script, but this post doesn't support it.

Actually, PATRIOT ACT means "SUCKER" in English. Yes, Ben Franklin IS right - give it up for a second and kiss it goodbye forever. Those who trade MY freedom for a second of THEIR security deserve neither freedom nor security. Think on THEM apples.

[greensideout]

I think the Big Corporations should be a politcal party.

When you think about it, who is really waging the tail.

[Arlene Horton]

Voting for Dubya will only make it easier for Halliburton Dickie Boy to increase his millions as well as that of all his millionaire buddies. The Social Security taxes are a big interest to them too, mainly because it's just another place for them to "borrow" some more money to finance their own particular pleasures and leave a lot of older persons worrying about what to spend their checks on...food, rent, medications or utilities. Many older Americans didn't think too far ahead as far as what they will need when they retire. Trying to take care of their families and make sure they had enough to eat, clothes to wear and a roof over their kids heads as well as getting those kids into good schools so they wouldn't have such worries when they grow up. With all the jobs going overseas and all the factories and businesses going "belly up" because they couldn't compete with the overseas companies all too many people have lost jobs they were depending upon to make it possible to retire with a comfortable income. If Dubya is re-elected we might as well change the location of the Chief Executive to Crawford, Texas. He seems to prefer it to D.C.