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05-10-11, 07:47 PM #1
Rifle Range Score
I'm a saver...I'm sitting here looking at my:
U.S. MARINE CORPS
RIFLE MARKSMANSHIP
AND DATA BOOK
(For US rifle 7.62- MM, M-14)
Date issued 12 Feb. 1966
I fired a 214- Sharpshooter This was in boot camp. When I was with 2/27 & 2/28 after I came back from Nam we could go to the range as much as we wanted to go. After a few months of 2 times a week I was putting in 500 meter slow fire groups that you could could cover with a baseball.
We fired 2,3,500 slow 2, 300 rapid, 10 rounds each.
Whats the qual now with the 16 or whatever it's called these days?
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05-10-11, 07:54 PM #2
http://www.marines.mil/news/publicat...%203574.2K.pdf
There are 4 'tables". 1 is the traditional KD range
5 shots sitting kneeling standing in 15 mins and one rapid sitting @ 200
1 rapid standing to prone and 5 slo fire sitting @300
10 shots in 10 mins from the prone @ 500.
Table 2 is a basic "CQB" techniques at 25m with various drills and reloads.
Table 3 is advanced CQB with tactical movement etc etc.
Table 4 is table 3 in low light and/or under darkness with NODS and lazers.
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05-10-11, 08:22 PM #3
I was sooooo happy I wasn't an unq. Those of us who qualified marched back to the barracks and got busy cleaning our M-14s and washing our shooting jackets. The DIs congratulated us and pretty much left us alone to clean. We were even allowed to quietly talk among ourselves. The Unqs had to low-crawl the 500 or 600 yards back. When they finally got there, it was mountain-climbers and bends-and-thrusts for a very long time in the pit.
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05-10-11, 08:40 PM #4
Our DI's promised us whomever qualified expert would get to call home. Sounded outstanding to me so I busted my hump and got expert (M-14).
So, when we got to San Onofre (CamPen), the DI's had us carry our footlockers up to the top of Mount MutherFvcker and yell "here home, here home"...just like they promised. The rest of the platoon was sitting in formation at the bottom of the hill drinking water, smoking, and getting a good laugh at our expense. Oh, the memories. That's one promise our DI's didn't have to keep. I wonder if something like that could happen today or if that would be a breach of the oath the DI's take when they pick up their training platoon?
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05-10-11, 08:58 PM #5
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05-10-11, 09:18 PM #6
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05-10-11, 09:32 PM #7
They were meanies.
My DIs were true to their promises. If you aced the written exams, you got a call home (I aced both, got two calls). If you aced the practical exam, you got a call (I got call #3). If you scored over a certain score on the range, you got a call (I think a couple of guys got calls). If you aced the PFT, you got a call (this was the old five-event PFT before the current three event job - I think a couple of guys got calls). I think that was about it. Of course, they were only about five-minute calls max.
I think my parents had to sell one of my siblings to the Gypsies to pay the collect call fees back in those days.
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05-10-11, 10:11 PM #8
Top - for what it's worth, I was at PI from 88 - 91 as a recruit company commander, and my company chief drill instructor made it know each training cycle, that anyone who went UNQ would have to call home and tell Mommy & Daddy that they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. True to form, after going UNQ twice on qual day, while the rest of the two series marched back to the barracks to clean their rifles, the UNQs all gathered on the 500 yard line and had to yell in unison "CALLING HOME! CALLING HOME!!! I'M A NON-SHOOTING MO-FO (or words to that effect) AND I'M NEVER GOING HOME!" He'd keep them out there for about 30 to 45 minutes shouting and doing IPT. It was a joy to watch - but, being a well trained recruit training officer, I watched from the snapping in sheds some 200 yards away.
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05-10-11, 11:15 PM #9
Great stuff. Alas, I shot a Pizza Box at PI. 207 or 209 I think. And yes, like HST...I'm a hoarder and still have my data book someplace
I ALSO still have the tape with my name on it, platoon number, and recruit number, from the back of my 'chrome dome'.
Top THAT for hoarding!
(And yes I acquired a chrome dome, a real one, and it's on there lol)
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05-10-11, 11:27 PM #10
Was anybody present when the shooting lines were changed from meters to yards?
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05-10-11, 11:28 PM #11
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05-11-11, 04:46 AM #12
i remember Sgt Resh and myself "competing" with head shots at 500 yrds... some fun! good way to hone your skills
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05-11-11, 06:30 AM #13
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05-11-11, 08:34 AM #14
I remember that my plt. won the range on average score.
We got back to the squad bay and we were hazed for it. I had a hard time understanding the incentive system in bootcamp.
If we lost an event - we got smoked. If we won an event - we got smoked.
That is very cool that you found your old data book though. I don't know that I was able to keep mine from boot, but I've kept some since. It will be fun to look back at in a few decades.
Also -- what's this about being able to go to the range any time you want?
How did that work -- was there a SNCO on duty at all times and you could just show up on your off time and shoot? Is that how it went?
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05-11-11, 08:56 AM #15
we shot at Edson. If I remember right we were allowed to blouse our boots after we shot for qualification.
My PMI was a l/cpl named Collie, it's a good thing I was a boot, I'll bet he took a lot of sh*t over that name, Lassie was a popular show in those days.
This new deal sounds like a real b*tch. It puts Marines to a lot of differing tests. I know the marines are up to it and I sure hope the revised 16 is equal to the Marines. We went to the 16 when I was about half way through Nam. It was a peice of everjamming, plastic, mattell, sh*t and everybody hated it. I've got a 14 now and I still love firing it, the feel, sound of the action, the smell of the oiled walnut. I just can't hit much at over 200 anymore.
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