Supreme Court decision on the Pledge of Allegiance words "under God

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    Supreme Court decision on the Pledge of Allegiance words "under God

    Atheist Calls Pledge Unconstitutional


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    Mar 24, 12:49 PM (ET)

    By GINA HOLLAND

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    WASHINGTON (AP) - A California atheist told the Supreme Court Wednesday that the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance are unconstitutional and offensive to people who don't believe there is a God.

    Michael Newdow, who challenged the Pledge of Allegiance on behalf of his daughter, said the court has no choice but to keep it out of public schools.

    "It's indoctrinating children," he said. "The government is supposed to stay out of religion."

    But some justices said they were not sure if the words were intended to unite the country, or express religion.


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    Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist noted that Congress unanimously added the words "under God" in the pledge in 1954.

    "That doesn't sound divisive," he said.

    "That's only because no atheists can be elected to office," Newdow responded.

    Some in the audience erupted in applause in the courtroom, and were threatened with expulsion by the chief justice.

    The subject of Newdow's right to bring the lawsuit had dominated the beginning of arguments in the landmark case to decide if the classroom salute in public schools violates the Constitution's ban on government-established religion.


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    Terence Cassidy, attorney for a suburban Sacramento school district where Newdow's 9-year-old daughter attends classes, noted to justices that the girl's mother opposed the lawsuit. "The ultimate decision-making authority is with the mother," he said.

    The mother, Sandra Banning, is a born-again Christian and supporter of the pledge. "I object to his inclusion of our daughter" in the case, she said earlier Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America" show. She said she worries that her daughter will be "the child who is remembered as the little girl who changed the Pledge of Allegiance."

    Newdow had sued the school and won, setting up the landmark appeal before a court that has repeatedly barred school-sponsored prayer from classrooms, playing fields and school ceremonies. But justices could dodge the issue altogether if they decide that Newdow needed the mother's consent, because she has primary custody.

    Rehnquist said that the issues raised in the case "certainly have nothing to do with domestic relations." And, Justice David H. Souter said that Newdow could argue that his interest in his child "is enough to give him personal standing."

    Solicitor General Theodore Olson, the Bush administration lawyer arguing for the school district, said that the mother was concerned that her daughter had been "thrust into the vortex of this constitutional case."


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    He said the Pledge of Allegiance should be upheld as a "ceremonial, patriotic exercise."

    A new poll shows that Americans overwhelmingly support the reference to God. Almost nine in 10 people said the reference to God belongs in the pledge despite constitutional questions about the separation of church and state, according to an Associated Press poll.

    Dozens of people camped outside the court on a cold night, bundled in layers and blankets, to be among the first in line to hear the historic case. "I just wanted to have a story to tell my grandkids," said Aron Wolgel, a junior from American University.

    More than 100 supporters of the pledge began the day reciting the pledge and emphasizing the words "under God." Some supporters of the California father, outnumbered about four-to-one, shouted over the speeches of pledge proponents. They carried signs with slogans like "Democracy Not Theocracy."

    God was not part of the original pledge written in 1892. Congress inserted it in 1954, after lobbying by religious leaders during the Cold War. Since then, it has become a familiar part of life for a generation of students.


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    Newdow compared the controversy to the issue of segregation in schools, which the Supreme Court took up 50 years ago in Brown v. Board of Education.

    "Aren't we a better nation because we got rid of that stuff?" Newdow, a 50-year-old lawyer and doctor arguing his own case at the court, asked before the argument.

    The AP poll, conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs, found college graduates were more likely than those who did not have a college degree to say the phrase "under God" should be removed. Democrats and independents were more likely than Republicans to think the phrase should be taken out.

    Justices could dodge the issue altogether. They have been urged to throw out the case, without a ruling on the constitutional issue, because of questions about whether Newdow had custody when he filed the suit and needed the mother's consent.

    Absent from the case is one of the court's most conservative members, Justice Antonin Scalia, who bowed out after he criticized the ruling in Newdow's favor during a religious rally last year. Newdow had requested his recusal.

    The case is Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, 02-1624.

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    It IS not, and Should not be unconstitutional as long as:

    It is on our money

    Public officials place their hand on a Bible when sworn into office

    The courts themselves start with "May God bless this honorable court..." or whatever the exact phrase is

    Crosses or related religous symbols grace the tomb stones in Arlington cemetary

    There are stars on our Flag

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    Supreme Court decision on the Pledge of Allegiance words "under God

    God was not part of the original pledge written in 1892. Congress inserted it in 1954, after lobbying by religious leaders during the Cold War. Since then, it has become a familiar part of life for a generation of students.

    I am a Christian and I believe that there is a God. Our Congress seems to always make changes to things that they should keep their noses out of, this was one of them, the religious leaders sometimes goes overboard with trying to influence our Government into their way of thinking. If we had kept the pledge the way that it was originally written, then this would never have been an issue. They keep changing the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Freedom of Speech. to suite them.

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    Pledge of Allegiance, `Under God' Backed at U.S. Supreme Court
    March 24 (Bloomberg) --
    U.S. Supreme Court justices signaled they have few concerns about the practice of asking public school students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance with the phrase ``under God.''

    The justices, hearing arguments in Washington on perhaps the highest-profile case of their 2003-04 term, aimed a barrage of questions at Michael Newdow, a California atheist who says daily recitations of the pledge at his daughter's school interferes with his right to teach her his beliefs.

    Several justices questioned Newdow's contention that the pledge, with its reference to ``one nation, under God,'' is akin to a prayer and thereby violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

    ``You may disagree that it's 'under God.' You may disagree that it's `liberty and justice for all,''' Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist said, referring to another part of the pledge. ``That doesn't make it a prayer.''


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