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    Angry Army Takes Over Marine Corps in Pacific? Read This.

    Marines -- and all who support the Marine Corps, the Corps has always been in the gunsight of being eliminated, many claiming the Army could easily fulfill the Corps mission. Well, guess what ladies and gentlemen? This opinion continues some 65+ years since the Truman administration uttered the statement. Here again is the echo to reduce/eliminate the Corps.

    When appropriate I hope those of you on this website will stand up and protect our Corps. No question this turf war is going to happen as the military budget is undergoing serious cutbacks.

    Semper fi,
    Frank




    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/...m_medium=email

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    hmmm that does not sound good, and we have a non-military minded President that just don't get it, anyway..


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    As long as there is a United States Marine Corps there will always be a United States of America, scary thought if the army of none takes over, Semper Fidelis.


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    Never happen !!! Good post Frank.

    The Marine Corps is going back to it's roots and the Army is also downsizing as well as other branches of the Armed Forces.

    The United States without a United States Marine Corps ?
    NOT on my watch.

    Semper Fi,
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    The Marine Corps is America's 911 Force ... we ain't going nowhere.




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    Dont worry bro, were just norming up the corp, dont forget to wear clean panties!!

    Lets see how far they are really willing to run with this, soon as some BB roll in with stickers on the outside proclaiming "MEMBERS MISSING" how well do you think moms and dads are gonna take it??


    Marines delay female fitness plan after half fail pull-up test


    Associated Press
    Sept. 18, 2012: Female soldiers from 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division train on a firing range while testing new body armor in Fort Campbell, Ky., in preparation for their deployment to Afghanistan.A2012


    More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pull-ups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year, prompting the Marine Corps to delay the requirement, part of the process of equalizing physical standards to integrate women into combat jobs.
    The delay rekindled sharp debate in the military on the question of whether women have the physical strength for some military jobs, as service branches move toward opening thousands of combat roles to them in 2016.
    Although no new timetable has been set on the delayed physical requirement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos wants training officials to "continue to gather data and ensure that female Marines are provided with the best opportunity to succeed," Capt. Maureen Krebs, a Marine spokeswoman, said Thursday.
    Starting with the new year, all female Marines were supposed to be able to do at least three pull-ups on their annual physical fitness test and eight for a perfect score. The requirement was tested in 2013 on female recruits at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, S.C., but only 45 percent of women met the minimum, Krebs said.
    The Marines had hoped to institute the pull-ups on the belief that pull-ups require the muscular strength necessary to perform common military tasks such as scaling a wall, climbing up a rope or lifting and carrying heavy munitions.
    Officials felt there wasn't a medical risk to putting the new standard into effect as planned across the service, but that the risk of losing recruits and hurting retention of women already in the service was unacceptably high, she said.
    Because the change is being put off, women will be able to choose which test of upper-body strength they will be graded on in their annual physical fitness test. Their choices:
    --Pull-ups, with three the minimum. Three is also the minimum for male Marines, but they need 20 for a perfect rating.
    --A flexed-arm hang. The minimum is for 15 seconds; women get a perfect score if they last for 70 seconds. Men don't do the hang in their test.
    Officials said training for pull-ups can change a person's strength, while training for the flex-arm hang does little to adapt muscular strength needed for military tasks
    The delay on the standard could be another wrinkle in the plan to begin allowing women to serve in jobs previously closed to them such as infantry, armor and artillery units.
    The decision to suspend the scheduled pull-up requirement "is a clear indication" that plans to move women into direct ground combat fighting teams will not work, said Elaine Donnelly, president of the conservative Center for Military Readiness and a critic of allowing women into infantry jobs.
    "When officials claim that men and women are being trained the same, they are referring to bare minimums, not maximum qualifications that most men can meet but women cannot," Donnelly wrote in an email to The Associated Press. "Awarding gender-normed scores so that women can succeed lowers standards for all. Women will suffer more injuries and resentment they do not deserve, and men will be less prepared for the demands of direct ground combat."
    The military services are working to figure out how to move women into newly opened jobs and have been devising updated physical standards, training, education and other programs for thousands of jobs they must open Jan. 1, 2016, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen, a Defense Department spokesman. They must open as many jobs to women as possible; if they decide to keep some closed, they must explain why.
    Military brass has said repeatedly that physical standards won't be lowered to accommodate female applicants. Success for women in training for the upcoming openings has come in fits and starts.
    In fall 2012, only two female Marines volunteered for the 13-week infantry officers training course at Quantico, Va., and both failed to complete it.
    But the following fall, three Marines became the first women to graduate from the Corps' enlisted infantry training school in North Carolina. They completed the same test standards as the men in the course, which included a 12-mile march with an 80-pound pack and various combat fitness trials such as timed ammunition container lifts and tests that simulate running under combat fire.
    Officials had added specific training for female recruits when the pull-up requirement was announced in December 2012, and they came up with a workout program for women already serving.
    Military testing for physical skill and stamina has changed over the decades with needs of the armed forces. Officials say the first recorded history of Marine Corps physical fitness tests, for example, was 1908 when President Theodore Roosevelt ordered that staff officers must ride horseback 90 miles and line officers walk 50 miles over a three-day period to pass. A test started in 1956 included chin-ups, push-ups, broad jump, 50-yard duck waddle and running.
    The first test for women was started in 1969: A 120-yard shuttle run, vertical jump, knee pushups, 600-yard run/walk and sit-ups.


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    I would hate to think that our enemies could smell Marine grunts in the field, the smell of tuna fish is very distinctive. And how many women could hold up to 3-4 weeks in the bush in 110 plus heat, on little food and water, with your buds getting wasted all around you. Hell, I found it unbearable most of the time. To quit is to die.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The DUKE View Post
    Lets see how far they are really willing to run with this, soon as some BB roll in with stickers on the outside proclaiming "MEMBERS MISSING" how well do you think moms and dads are gonna take it??


    Marines delay female fitness plan after half fail pull-up test


    Associated Press
    Sept. 18, 2012: Female soldiers from 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division train on a firing range while testing new body armor in Fort Campbell, Ky., in preparation for their deployment to Afghanistan.A2012


    More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pull-ups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year, prompting the Marine Corps to delay the requirement, part of the process of equalizing physical standards to integrate women into combat jobs.
    The delay rekindled sharp debate in the military on the question of whether women have the physical strength for some military jobs, as service branches move toward opening thousands of combat roles to them in 2016.
    Although no new timetable has been set on the delayed physical requirement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos wants training officials to "continue to gather data and ensure that female Marines are provided with the best opportunity to succeed," Capt. Maureen Krebs, a Marine spokeswoman, said Thursday.
    Starting with the new year, all female Marines were supposed to be able to do at least three pull-ups on their annual physical fitness test and eight for a perfect score. The requirement was tested in 2013 on female recruits at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, S.C., but only 45 percent of women met the minimum, Krebs said.
    The Marines had hoped to institute the pull-ups on the belief that pull-ups require the muscular strength necessary to perform common military tasks such as scaling a wall, climbing up a rope or lifting and carrying heavy munitions.
    Officials felt there wasn't a medical risk to putting the new standard into effect as planned across the service, but that the risk of losing recruits and hurting retention of women already in the service was unacceptably high, she said.
    Because the change is being put off, women will be able to choose which test of upper-body strength they will be graded on in their annual physical fitness test. Their choices:
    --Pull-ups, with three the minimum. Three is also the minimum for male Marines, but they need 20 for a perfect rating.
    --A flexed-arm hang. The minimum is for 15 seconds; women get a perfect score if they last for 70 seconds. Men don't do the hang in their test.
    Officials said training for pull-ups can change a person's strength, while training for the flex-arm hang does little to adapt muscular strength needed for military tasks
    The delay on the standard could be another wrinkle in the plan to begin allowing women to serve in jobs previously closed to them such as infantry, armor and artillery units.
    The decision to suspend the scheduled pull-up requirement "is a clear indication" that plans to move women into direct ground combat fighting teams will not work, said Elaine Donnelly, president of the conservative Center for Military Readiness and a critic of allowing women into infantry jobs.
    "When officials claim that men and women are being trained the same, they are referring to bare minimums, not maximum qualifications that most men can meet but women cannot," Donnelly wrote in an email to The Associated Press. "Awarding gender-normed scores so that women can succeed lowers standards for all. Women will suffer more injuries and resentment they do not deserve, and men will be less prepared for the demands of direct ground combat."
    The military services are working to figure out how to move women into newly opened jobs and have been devising updated physical standards, training, education and other programs for thousands of jobs they must open Jan. 1, 2016, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen, a Defense Department spokesman. They must open as many jobs to women as possible; if they decide to keep some closed, they must explain why.
    Military brass has said repeatedly that physical standards won't be lowered to accommodate female applicants. Success for women in training for the upcoming openings has come in fits and starts.
    In fall 2012, only two female Marines volunteered for the 13-week infantry officers training course at Quantico, Va., and both failed to complete it.
    But the following fall, three Marines became the first women to graduate from the Corps' enlisted infantry training school in North Carolina. They completed the same test standards as the men in the course, which included a 12-mile march with an 80-pound pack and various combat fitness trials such as timed ammunition container lifts and tests that simulate running under combat fire.
    Officials had added specific training for female recruits when the pull-up requirement was announced in December 2012, and they came up with a workout program for women already serving.
    Military testing for physical skill and stamina has changed over the decades with needs of the armed forces. Officials say the first recorded history of Marine Corps physical fitness tests, for example, was 1908 when President Theodore Roosevelt ordered that staff officers must ride horseback 90 miles and line officers walk 50 miles over a three-day period to pass. A test started in 1956 included chin-ups, push-ups, broad jump, 50-yard duck waddle and running.
    The first test for women was started in 1969: A 120-yard shuttle run, vertical jump, knee pushups, 600-yard run/walk and sit-ups.
    the story is about Marines but the photo is Army


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    SO true, So true,
    but the point is like back in the day
    "what ahppens over there sooner or later winds up over here"
    the "Beatles" were playing and touring in the UK
    a while beFore some promoter saw them and thought,
    hey thye'd be great in the US of A,
    and we all know what movement that shizt started dont we,
    well maybe us older ones do,
    cant speak for them thats of this gen,
    theyre into hip hop and crap music,
    ut oh sorry I meant "RAP MUSICK" my bad,
    anywho,
    the point of the picture is the byline says they are
    going to be deployed to the "STAN" man
    and it dont say theyre gonna be filing paperwork,
    so I used it to refer to
    "WOMEN IN COMBAT"
    as being the assinine idea of the day,
    and here we are ,
    the US Marine corps,
    trotting right along behind like good little drones,
    and I "DONT GIVE A RAT AZZ THAT WE HAVE A FIRST OF ITS KIND,
    FEMALE COMMANDANT.........


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    Well, since I hear "Yankee go home" on my way to base everyday I'd say some of the Japanese won't be happy either way.


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    This is laughable for many reasons, but mostly because it's just not going to happen. Contingency plans, logistics, acquisitions alone would cost more than DoD has budget for (x5 years). We're talking about refitting, overhauling, all weapon systems and supporting systems. Even if this absurd circus act was approved today it would take another 15-20 years to put into place. This is just a bs stunt by a minion general who wants to save Army jobs. They no longer have a "mission" that is equal to their growth and costs. They've been fat for so long that they don't know how to downsize like everyone else. Believe me guys....this is just fodder. Strategic and contingency plans outlined by the JCS and the President simply do not allow for such simple minded statements by both the general and the washington post reporter. If the SecDef came out and said this, I'd take it seriously, but it's a Army general in the field who only knows the Army.


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    WASHINGTON — The United States said on Tuesday it will send 800 more soldiers and about 40 Abrams main battle tanks and other armored vehicles to South Korea next month as part of a military rebalance to East Asia after more than a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.


    The battalion of troops and M1A2 tanks and about 40 Bradley fighting vehicles from the 1st U.S. Cavalry Division based at Fort Hood, Texas, will begin a nine-month deployment in South Korea on Feb. 1.


    A Pentagon spokesman said the personnel would remain for nine months but on departing would leave their equipment behind to be used by follow-on rotations of U.S. forces.


    "This addition of forces to Korea is part of the rebalance to the Pacific. It's been long planned and is part of our enduring commitment to security on the Korean peninsula," Army Colonel Steve Warren said.


    "This gives the commanders in Korea an additional capacity: two companies of tanks, two companies of Bradleys," he said.


    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met with South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Byung-se in Washington on Tuesday and stated the U.S. position on nuclear weapons in North Korea.


    "The United States and the Republic of Korea stand very firmly united, without an inch of daylight between us, not a sliver of daylight, on the subject of opposition to North Korea's destabilizing nuclear and ballistic missile programs and proliferation activities," Kerry said.


    The United States has some 28,000 troops based in South Korea, which has remained technically at war with Communist North Korea since the 1950-1953 Korean conflict ended in stalemate.


    The deployment of additional U.S. troops comes at a time of raised tensions on the Korean peninsula after North Korea executed the powerful uncle of young leader Kim Jong Un last month, the biggest upheaval in years as the ruling dynasty.


    South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted military officials as saying that the new U.S. troops would be deployed in North Gyeonggi Province, just south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas.


    President Barack Obama announced a strategic rebalancing of U.S. priorities toward the Pacific in late 2011 while ending the direct U.S. military involvement in Iraq and announcing plans to wind down the long U.S. engagement in Afghanistan.


    Since the announcement of that so-called "pivot" in foreign, economic and security policy, the Philippines, Australia and other parts of the region have all seen increased numbers of U.S. warships, planes and personnel.


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    It sure didn't take long before the Army sneaked into the teepee. Here's link about General Victor "Brute" Krulak who many said he single handedly saved the Marine Corps. I had the pleasure to serve under him. Next to Chesty Puller, the general's second to none. Worth a read.

    http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/b...ulak-us-marine


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    Good post Frank.
    I'm going to read the book.



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