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ANYMOUSE
10-28-09, 02:14 AM
A company 1stSgt claims:
"The bottom edge of the utilities blouse should be on line with the top edge of the trouser cargo pockets."

Has anybody ever heard of this? Can anyone cite a pub that supports or condemns this? I have referenced PMCUB (http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/SITES/MCUB/)to no avail. I'm guessing this may have been the word with the obsolete tri-color cammies.
(http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/SITES/MCUB/)

commdog7
10-28-09, 02:22 AM
Never heard of it, but you can try looking up the MCO for uniforms... I think it's 1020.34 Bravo or Golf... been awhile since I was in Cpl's course.

ANYMOUSE
10-28-09, 02:36 AM
Note that having referenced PMCUB (http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/SITES/MCUB/) implies that I have skimmed MCO P1020.34G, MCO P10120.28G, MCBUL 10120, and all uniform related MARADMINs/ALMARs. I found nothing.

Alisium
10-28-09, 02:43 AM
That's a long damned blouse.

commdog7
10-28-09, 02:48 AM
Then it probably isn't an official regulation. It's probably the 1stSgt's personal preference, that's about where the cami blouse is supposed to be. The top of the cami pocket is just a reference point.

The official regulation doesn't matter unless they are trying to NJP someone for cami's too short or too long.

Alisium
10-28-09, 03:13 AM
With the cammie blouse it's almost impossible to get uniformity in fit to such a point where everyone's blouse touches the top of the cargo pocket. Every Marine would have to take his blouse in to be tailored. Not even your tailored uniforms have such strict regulations. Most have some kind of leeway an inch or two one way or the other.

And again, a blouse that long ceases to be a blouse and becomes a skirt.

Unless, he's talking about the back pockets. That's more reasonable, but "on-line" I don't buy.

0331 2 0369
10-28-09, 06:46 AM
It is an unwriten rule. The bottom edge of the blouse should come down to the top edge of the cargo pocket or close to it. Some people will buy a regular length blouse that barely covers the opening to the pockets and then the blouse looks too small even if it fits comfortably. I have always told my Marines to continue to wear what they have but recommend that the next time they have to buy cammies, they need to go with a longer blouse. In our line of buisness, you have to look at it as "our" buisness suit.

Petz
10-28-09, 07:16 AM
There are sizes S/M/L and if you mix and match them they are drastically different in appearance. Some Marines get the idea that they look more squared away with a M top and a L bottom, this makes the cammies look wrong. Your 1st Sgt is simply saying that if you have both the same size the bottom of the blouse should be pretty damn close to the cargo pocket of the trousers.

I think Marines look retarded wearing different sized cammie top and bottoms.

RYDERKUR
10-28-09, 08:27 AM
I like wearing the shortest bottoms I "can get away with" while still looking sharp in reference to the blouse matching, relatively. I like wearing the smaller bottoms because I think they blouse better and it's my personal opinion that nasty boot blouses are one of the most heinous things. Obviously this is for garrison only, I'm one of the first to pull my blouses down to a low to keep bugs out and from irritating my legs in the field.

Petz
10-28-09, 08:32 AM
wow, um... What's "heinous" is when Marines have to bend over at the waist to fix their boot blousing, yeah, that's not gay.

As if anyone notices that crap anyways. I've always had my boot bloused between the second and third eye of my boots, no problems, not even having to fix the blouse after sitting down.

Supersquishy
10-28-09, 08:37 AM
I like wearing the shortest bottoms I "can get away with" while still looking sharp in reference to the blouse matching, relatively. I like wearing the smaller bottoms because I think they blouse better and it's my personal opinion that nasty boot blouses are one of the most heinous things. Obviously this is for garrison only, I'm one of the first to pull my blouses down to a low to keep bugs out and from irritating my legs in the field.

Which are you talking about? Blouse as in Cammie Top or Blouse as in boot blouse?

echo3oscar1833
10-28-09, 08:42 AM
I always bloused my trousers right along the top edge of my boots. I had the old cammies though though, they wore on a person differently than the new ones do. SF.

RYDERKUR
10-28-09, 08:43 AM
I like wearing the shortest bottoms I "can get away with" while still looking sharp in reference to the blouse(Cammie Top) matching, relatively. I like wearing the smaller bottoms because I think they blouse(boot blouse) better and it's my personal opinion that nasty boot blouses are one of the most heinous things. Obviously this is for garrison only, I'm one of the first to pull my blouses (boot blouses)down to a low to keep bugs out and from irritating my legs in the field.

I agree with SSgt, I believe it was, who said when the cammie top and cammie bottoms don't match too well, that it looks ridiculous, but I still go with smaller cammie bottoms to get a better boot blouse while still maintaining a relative match to size of the cammie top and cammie bottom.:usmc:

Wyoming
10-28-09, 08:48 AM
... and just why is this mouse being replied to, or does any mouse deserve a reply, profile or not??

Alisium
10-28-09, 12:44 PM
I just threw on my cammies (MARPAT) and my blouse comes to about two/three inches off the top of the cargo pockets. The MARPATs are a little different than the older version, I guess. I only wore them for a little while. I'll have to dig the older ones out of my sea-bag to see where they end up.

I wear medium short for both blouse and trousers.

Phantom Blooper
10-28-09, 12:56 PM
... and just why is this mouse being replied to, or does any mouse deserve a reply, profile or not??

Maybe...just maybe.

If he's not a RAT or a RAT's AZZ!:evilgrin:

Hamelink83
10-31-09, 09:45 AM
I think Marines look retarded wearing different sized cammie top and bottoms.

With all due respect SSgt, every Marine is built different though. I wear a S/XL blouse and M/L trouser. My upper body is long and I'm thin (40XL Service Coat) and a M/XL has so much extra fabric that it looks to big. The smaller top fits much better and still correctly overlaps in the front. While I could wear a S/L trouser, they would fit to small as I have bigger legs from all the bicycle riding I've done.

Old Marine
10-31-09, 09:50 AM
If this particular 1stSgt. is your's, then he is correct. I rest my case.

echo3oscar1833
10-31-09, 10:24 AM
If this particular 1stSgt. is your's, then he is correct. I rest my case.


1stSgt- 10 points
Everybody below him- 0 points

:D

Petz
10-31-09, 01:22 PM
With all due respect SSgt, every Marine is built different though. I wear a S/XL blouse and M/L trouser. My upper body is long and I'm thin (40XL Service Coat) and a M/XL has so much extra fabric that it looks to big. The smaller top fits much better and still correctly overlaps in the front. While I could wear a S/L trouser, they would fit to small as I have bigger legs from all the bicycle riding I've done.

But you're referring to a S/XL, which comes down the proper length, I'm referring to those who want the blouse to be shorter 'cause they think it looks better. You are in the right if you get the proper length.

duragliter
10-31-09, 06:55 PM
I mean, I just got to this forum and shidt but, uh, BigAl, are you a friggan' retard?

You recently typed:

"... and just why is this mouse being replied to, or does any mouse deserve a reply, profile or not??"

I mean, I get that you are old and stuff, but...Can't you just STFU and let the Marine's question get discussed??

Or not...

SlingerDun
10-31-09, 07:31 PM
wow, um... What's "heinous" is when Marines have to bend over at the waist to fix their boot blousing, yeah,,,Plumbers Crack, no bueno:sick: Marines always wore suspenders backasswards shirt tails tugging on socks instead of holding up the trousershttp://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif ask any logger.

Petz
10-31-09, 07:46 PM
I mean, I just got to this forum and shidt but, uh, BigAl, are you a friggan' retard?

You recently typed:

"... and just why is this mouse being replied to, or does any mouse deserve a reply, profile or not??"

I mean, I get that you are old and stuff, but...Can't you just STFU and let the Marine's question get discussed??

Or not...


We do have rules here killer. He has reason to say these things as we get lots of fakers and anti-military dinks coming in here trying to give us a hard time. Don't bash him 'cause you didn't fill your profile out BEFORE you started to post.

So gunny, welcome.

And NO he's not retarded, he a little too quick witted to be.

duragliter
10-31-09, 08:32 PM
Thanks SSgt Petz.

I understand your loyalty to BigAl but, if you look at the content of Mouse's post:

A company 1stSgt claims:
"The bottom edge of the utilities blouse should be on line with the top edge of the trouser cargo pockets."

Has anybody ever heard of this? Can anyone cite a pub that supports or condemns this? I have referenced PMCUB to no avail. I'm guessing this may have been the word with the obsolete tri-color cammies.

...He (Mouse) knows more than enough to not be a troll. AND, I have been dealing with forum trolls since before you stood on the yellow footprints, SSgt.

I just get amused/bemused when someone only looks at a profile and not what is said/asked.

There is not much in my profile. But, I'll be happy to play 20 questions with anyone aboard. So, my point is, it is more about content and less about rules, eh?

;)

Again. thanks for your input, Petz.

B

Petz
10-31-09, 08:59 PM
well, with your understanding you seem to know why so many people were all about answering the question without raising the profile question.

However, to have brought up that question does NOT but him in the wrong as you feel he was. I don't recall him getting his drawers in a bunch about it other than a simple post on why we're answering his question before he has a filled out profile.

You can't be mad at the guy for following "orders", hell you did it for a career didn't you?

Wyoming
10-31-09, 09:40 PM
I mean, I just got to this forum and shidt but, uh, BigAl, are you a friggan' retard?

You recently typed:

"... and just why is this mouse being replied to, or does any mouse deserve a reply, profile or not??"

I mean, I get that you are old and stuff, but...Can't you just STFU and let the Marine's question get discussed??

Or not...

Hahahaha, go **** yourself, *******.

Wyoming
10-31-09, 09:52 PM
Thanks SSgt Petz.

I understand your loyalty to BigAl *** but, if you look at the content of Mouse's post:

A company 1stSgt claims:
"The bottom edge of the utilities blouse should be on line with the top edge of the trouser cargo pockets."

Has anybody ever heard of this? Can anyone cite a pub that supports or condemns this? I have referenced PMCUB to no avail. I'm guessing this may have been the word with the obsolete tri-color cammies.

...He (Mouse) knows more than enough to not be a troll.
About ANYMOUSE
Year Exited Marine Corps
Still in Service
and you can tell by the profile provided? I call BS!!

AND, I have been dealing with forum trolls since before you stood on the yellow footprints, SSgt. Really, and I suppose you helped algore invent the internet!

I just get amused/bemused when someone only looks at a profile and not what is said/asked.

There is not much in my profile. But, I'll be happy to play 20 questions with anyone aboard. So, my point is, it is more about content and less about rules, eh?

;)

Again. thanks for your input, Petz.

B

*** ... and just to clear the air, me and Petz ain't loyal to each other, we just see the same things in different ways. That is why we get along.

duragliter
10-31-09, 09:55 PM
Big Al typed:

"Hahahaha, go **** yourself, *******."

And then there is that. Stick up for him all you deem necessary, SSgt P.

I believe "Big Al" (with his last post) has tipped his hand. He IS a retard. ;)

Al? The Village called. They miss their idiot. Time to go back, Al...

I understand all about having a "crazy Uncle" and just how much you accept him, SSgt P but, from what I've read here and on MANY other threads, ol' Big Al isn't the most productive member of the forum is he?

Okay Al. I'll go **** myself now...

:)

Wyoming
10-31-09, 09:58 PM
Big Al typed:

"Hahahaha, go **** yourself, *******."

And then there is that. Stick up for him all you deem necessary, SSgt P.

I believe "Big Al" (with his last post) has tipped his hand. He IS a retard. ;)

Al? The Village called. They miss their idiot. Time to go back, Al...

I understand all about having a "crazy Uncle" and just how much you accept him, SSgt P but, from what I've read here and on MANY other threads, ol' Big Al isn't the most productive member of the forum is he?

Okay Al. I'll go **** myself now...

:)

Am I supposed to feel bad now?

duragliter
11-01-09, 04:25 AM
(sigh)

Okay Al. You've established yourself as king of the hill on this here forum. (in my eyes at least) I'll ignore you now, if that's okay...

Back to the matter at hand.

Anymouse, I don't know why you want to question a First Sergeant but, I guess that's the way you roll. I might not understand your purpose for this and I'd just caution you with just how you present your findings, if they are contrary, to said First Sergeant.

If you look in the vast amount of Marine Corps Orders available to you, you'll find the one that reads, "Because the First Sergeant Said So" in there. And it is directive in intention.

When we went from the sateen utility uniform to the cammie uniform, the uniform regs for wear and fit were a little loosey-goosey. All "they" told us is that the uniform, as with any other form of camouflage, should break-up the outline of the torso, facilitate blending with the environment, and be more utilitarian to field operations.

Hah! You should have seen the first time I got jacked-up by some old fossil Master Sergeant (Mainside, Pendleton, 1977) for wearing the, then new, wooley-pooley sweater under my cammie blouse. He just didn't know.

Quick, and mostly reliable fix/answer to your question, Mouse? Try emailing either DI School and ask the Drill Instructor who is teaching the "Uniform Wear and Regs" package just what his/her guidelines are to the students. He/She will surely have the latest gouge on how the uniform is to be fitted and worn.

That will also allow you to stay off the radar for questioning what The Sleeve has to say. ;)

Good luck and let the forum know what you find out, okay?

S/F
B

Wyoming
11-01-09, 09:47 AM
If you look in the vast amount of Marine Corps Orders available to you, you'll find the one that reads, "Because the First Sergeant Said So" in there. And it is directive in intention. No truer words spoken.




Just for grins, anyone remember or still have a set of herringbones? Being tall, at MCRDSD in '65, I was issued herringbones, as my size was unavailible. The DI's were natural born ****ed about that and they did everything they could to find me a set of the newer utilities/fatigues. I did not know until I got out of boot, just what it was I had.

Hamelink83
11-01-09, 10:07 AM
But you're referring to a S/XL, which comes down the proper length, I'm referring to those who want the blouse to be shorter 'cause they think it looks better. You are in the right if you get the proper length.

Roger that