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TheJester
04-13-03, 11:46 PM
I had a poolee meeting this saturday. AFter going through class and a little PT i went to talk to the Master Sergeant about changing my MOS (0481 or what it should be) to 1371 Combat Engineer. He had a big surprise for me. For some reason they put 0381 instead and they had me listed as a Food Service Specialist. I wasn't upset since I want to get it changed anyway but then My Recruiter had me sign a document saying that I expect my MOS to be 0381 (Cook basically) and they gave me this big long speech about how the reserves don't really do anything MOS related except for your schooling but your reserve weekends are pretty much integrated with everyone even though he gave me his word that he would do everything in his power to get it changed befoe I left for bootcamp (may 12th).

I don't feel right about any of this. I want to trust the Master Sergeant but my intution tells me to be sure and if push comes to shove do not get on that final bus going to Parris Island if I am unsure about My MOS (Assurance in my opinion would be seeing a form in my packet that lists me as Combat Engineer) I am in no way trying to back out and I want with all my heart to be a Marine and attend bootcamp in May but I do not want to go in as a cook (no offence intended to any cooks out there) I'm all about not putting myself before the Marine Corps and if the Marine Corps really needs me to be a cook then I will be the 1st in line to do so. But in this case I have been given the impression that is simple to change my MOS since there is slots open for my position and I am fully qualified. Any advice you all could provide would be great. Thanks in advance.

Sixguns
04-14-03, 07:19 PM
Send me a PM here at Leatherneck.com so we can discuss this further. there are two sides to every story. I see yours. let's talk about the other side.

TheJester
04-19-03, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the advice Sixguns it helped alot. MY MOS is now Engineer Equipment Operator (1345). Still not what I wanted exactly but I would think it would be alot easier to change from 1345 to 1371 during the year i have before I go to MOS and MCT then it would be to change from 3381 too 1371. Anyhow I was wondering if anyone knew any details about being a 1345? My recruiter told me I would be bulldozing and whatnot a Reserve Buddy said I would be driving forklifts. Not really sure what to think at this point.

USMC0311
04-19-03, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by TheJester
Thanks for the advice Sixguns it helped alot. MY MOS is now Engineer Equipment Operator (1345). Still not what I wanted exactly but I would think it would be alot easier to change from 1345 to 1371 during the year i have before I go to MOS and MCT then it would be to change from 3381 too 1371. Anyhow I was wondering if anyone knew any details about being a 1345? My recruiter told me I would be bulldozing and whatnot a Reserve Buddy said I would be driving forklifts. Not really sure what to think at this point.

I'll give ya a bit of Insite.....The Corps NEEDS all the MOS's to make it work (cover all of us) there is no job in the Corps that is unimportant...we gota get there...Do It ...and get back. It takes the Corps to get it done right. The Honor, Courage and Commitment comes from knowing you do your job for the good of the Marine Corps and ALL we represent.

Good Luck and God Bless yer Patriotic young ass;)

firstsgtmike
04-20-03, 05:08 AM
USMC0311,

AMEN!

leroy8541
04-20-03, 04:06 PM
0381? Cook? The Corps must have a bunch of new jobs. I hear you can even enlist guaranteed 0321 and a shot at sniper school now as long as you meet the qualifications. Semper Fi!!

MillRatUSMC
04-20-03, 05:10 PM
The 0321 MOS has it's own requirements and any guaranteed of that MOS would require that a Marine pass those requirements.
Swimming comes to mind.
Sniper School also has it's own requirements.
It's hard to believe that a recruit would be guaranteeded those MOS's by a recruiter unless the recruit show a lot of potential.
0321 is the Recon Marines MOS before you had to volunteer for Recon.
Than you had to pass an introduction course before you were accepted into Recon.
How things have change.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

Sixguns
04-21-03, 05:37 PM
Almost anything can be guaranteed now!!!!

Money for college,
MOSs including, 0321
Promotions (rank)
Shipping bonuses (for specific months of the year)
Reserve jobs and units
Buddy shipping (ship with a friend to boot camp, although you may not be friends later.)

Hell, I was shocked to learn they did away with ageographic guarantee as part of an enlistment option.


SF,

lovelldj
04-21-03, 05:48 PM
Let's not get the rumor mill going too fast. Specialized MOS's like recon and sniper school can be "guaranteed" in the sense that as long as you pass ALL the quals it can be yours. Those quals include all the special training and qualifications for all of those occupations. If you wash out at any stage, you'll probably be an 0311 or whatever the Corps wants you to be. Second, your recruiter has it all wrong about the reserves. You'll probably do your weekends at a Navy/Marine Corps reserve center, which will have no connection with a regular Marine base. You will ALMOST ALWAYS be doing MOS-related activities on reserve weekends and ATDs. You might also be activated (there are currently over 20,000 Reserve Marines on active duty), and you will be expected to perform in your MOS in that event. Marine heavy equipment operators use all kinds of equipment, including backhoes, graders, front-end loaders, bulldozers (including the ones that clear minefields!!!), etc. It's a good job!

USMC0311
04-21-03, 06:05 PM
[i]. If you wash out at any stage, you'll probably be an 0311 or whatever the Corps wants you to be. Second, your recruiter has it all wrong about the reserves. You'll probably do your weekends at a Navy/Marine Corps reserve center, which will have no connection with a regular Marine base. You will ALMOST ALWAYS be doing MOS-related activities on reserve weekends and ATDs. You might also be activated (there are currently over 20,000 Reserve Marines on active duty), and you will be expected to perform in your MOS in that event. Marine heavy equipment operators use all kinds of equipment, including backhoes, graders, front-end loaders, bulldozers (including the ones that clear minefields!!!), etc. It's a good job! [/B]

Like I said...it takes all of us...even the like this dude...wtf is yer problem Marine? ya got sumthing against 0311's???

top1371
04-21-03, 06:16 PM
Lets get things straight... 03 is not food services.. 33 is.
http://members.tripod.com/~Tops_Corps/MOS_Chart.html

Anyhow... glad you got 1345, a good job that will give you a lot of good experience. Yes, you may bulldoze, but you may drive a forklift, crane, see tractor, ditch witch, RATCH, scraper or compactor just to name a few. My operators were skilled in all of the above. No one was only a fork lift operator. 1345 is a heavy equipment operator and you can get a ton of license under your belt.

Semper Fi,

Top

lovelldj
04-21-03, 06:17 PM
Unfortunately for the poolee, he has just learned that not all Marines are as helpful and polite as most of those on this board. I didn't include any adjectives around the phrase "0311" nor did I give any indication that this was somehow an inferior MOS. It is simply the case that the Marine Corps needs more of these than it does any other MOS, and this is usually the catch-all. Anyone who flies off the handle and uses profanity without actually reading a mail closely, and without giving a fellow Marine the benefit of the doubt, is not doing the readers of this board any service. Square yourself away, Marine, and make a better example for our young recruit!

USMC0311
04-21-03, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by lovelldj
Unfortunately for the poolee, he has just learned that not all Marines are as helpful and polite as most of those on this board. I didn't include any adjectives around the phrase "0311" nor did I give any indication that this was somehow an inferior MOS. It is simply the case that the Marine Corps needs more of these than it does any other MOS, and this is usually the catch-all. Anyone who flies off the handle and uses profanity without actually reading a mail closely, and without giving a fellow Marine the benefit of the doubt, is not doing the readers of this board any service. Square yourself away, Marine, and make a better example for our young recruit!

U 2 phunny Moween...I am squared away...aparentlly you are spectin too much from a 0311...I asked for 0311 and had to giv'em (The Corps) 4 years to guarantee me I would get 0311. this was 1965... I was 0311 the total time in the Corps and as far as I'm concerned The Best Marines In my modest 0311 opinion are the Marines that do not under-mind ANY of the MOS's.

as far as setting an example for some wanna Be...you do that lefty, cream-puff, politically correct crap.. I AM a Marine and I AM Forever 0311..One of the "get sum" "Do It" MoFos
if they would let me say "**** You" I coulda left it at that

as all who post...this is my opinion...read quick.. my Brothers have a tendency to remove posts that are offensive

USMC0311
04-21-03, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Shaffer
When I went through basic the DI's told you that if you F'ed up you were going to be a 0311. They also told the recruits with open contracts that they too would probably be 0311's. There is nothing wrong with being an 0311. The statement above is not fiction but fact. Nor is it condescending. I was an 0311. I do not take offense to anyone being able to "get in" to the grunts. Where do they send all the S***birds??? Infantry? Why? To square them away to be a real Marine.

Semper Fi,
Jerry

that splanes y ima 0311. mudsuckin, ground poundin, kinda simple, but useful green machine. Called Basic Marine. F the rest I am one of the best.

I will Always have a special place in my Heart for those mudsuckin Marines. Only those who go will ever know...and ...only those that do hava clue.

Semper Fidelis Marines

firstsgtmike
04-21-03, 09:10 PM
Excuse ME!

I don't understand the argument.

The Marine Corps IS the infantry. Thats why we exist. Every other Occupational Field and specialty exists for ONLY one reason, to support the 03xx.

He is the one and ONLY essential element of our Corps. If it wasn't for him, the rest of us would be in the unemployment line.

Since the beginning of time, it was the rock thrower who got the job done. The rest of us Johnny- come- latelys were superimposed to back up and support the rock thrower.

The more sophisticated he became, the more support he demanded of us. The last figure I heard is that it takes ten of us to support one infantryman.

In getting the basic job done, we need him much more than he needs us.

And the only response this post deserves is: "Well no **** FirstSgt, why don't you tell us something we didn't know?"

Semper Fi

SHOOTER1
04-21-03, 09:42 PM
Sorry First Sgt., but I do have to take exception to that, all Marines are basic Grunts,that is the initial intro to the Corps, and 2nd Itr. to enforce it, Im not trying to belittle any MOS,in the Corps, as was said above, they are all needed to compleate the job at hand, I have yet to see a Grunt walk from CONUS to where the battle is, carrying everything he will ever need on his back,to last for the duration, as I said, All MOS, ARE NEEDED TO GIT THE JOB DONE, Take pride in whatever MOS you are, but Damm sure dont belittle anyother :(

Roberto T. Cast
04-22-03, 01:32 AM
All Marines are Grunts first regardless of MOS. I was a 0141 (Admin Clerk) in Nam but I didn't spend much time behind the desk and typewriter. Now I am a Nam disabled veteran with diabetis (Agent Orange) and PTSD. So much for my 0141 MOS. To make the Marine Corps ticks properly, all MOS's are needed. Marines all work toward one goal, and that is to make our Corps function in any place, at anytime and in any situation. WE ARE NOT A CORP OF ONE. WE ARE AN ELITE MARINE CORPS. One for ALL and ALL for one.

I hate to differ with anyone.

SEMPER FI:marine:

22DevilPup87
04-22-03, 08:19 AM
This is just what I needed to hear.

... Yesterday I was trying to convince someone that I, a female, could become a Marine. He went on and on to tell me how that the Marines were infantry and therefore I couldn't be a Marine. After I explained that there are many MOSs in the Marine Corps and all are open to females with the exception of infantry he said, "Yeah, like I told you, you can't be a REAL Marine!" In his eyes the only REAL Marines are Marines with an 03xx MOS.

... shows why the dude is going Army ... he knows nothin' about the Corps ...

JChristin
04-22-03, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by 22DevilPup87
This is just what I needed to hear.

... Yesterday I was trying to convince someone that I, a female, could become a Marine. "Yeah, like I told you, you can't be a REAL Marine!" In his eyes the only REAL Marines are Marines with an 03xx MOS.


Sorry to say, get use to this type of female demoralization. I had hope that during the last twenty years things had changed. Perhaps they have and the insecure man who had this affect over you is one of very few. There will always be one or two bad apples in the barrel. Thank goodness he's going into the army.

With the recent events demonstrating that women perform just as admirably as their male counterparts during the time of challenge, it is my hope that more MOS's and therefore more opportunities will open up to women in the Marine Corps. It's a shame that PFC. Jesscia Lynch and the other woman held as a POW in Iraq were not Marines. The Army gets to "glow" in the credit of this one. These women were not even trained in infantry - and look how well they performed with the miminium of training. Imagine if they had been Marines!

Both women were shot, injured, and still kept on fighting! Totally invalidated the arguements I have heard over the years from - you guess it - our male counterparts. I am not male bashing. However, we as women, have certainly encountered our own fair share of this type of bashing. Our male counterparts have no sense of the deepth of demoralization this caused many women over the years. How it affected their self-esteem and sense of self-value. Thank goodness it never affected me in this light. But I know other women who it did. I am not a feminist - by any strench of the imagination. However, because of these two women - injured in battle and held as POW's, we can stand tall with our brothers, as equals - without doubt to our abilities.

I hope the Marine Corps will change further. Wish I were just going in now. To be part of it all again. How I envy you. You will do just fine.

semper fi,
jchristin:marine:

USMC0311
04-22-03, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by JChristin


Sorry to say, get use to this type of female demoralization. I had hope that during the last twenty years things had changed. Perhaps they have and the insecure man who had this affect over you is one of very few. There will always be one or two bad apples in the barrel. Thank goodness he's going into the army.

With the recent events demonstrating that women perform just as admirably as their male counterparts during the time of challenge, it is my hope that more MOS's and therefore more opportunities will open up to women in the Marine Corps. It's a shame that PFC. Jesscia Lynch and the other woman held as a POW in Iraq were not Marines. The Army gets to "glow" in the credit of this one. These women were not even trained in infantry - and look how well they performed with the miminium of training. Imagine if they had been Marines!

Both women were shot, injured, and still kept on fighting! Totally invalidated the arguements I have heard over the years from - you guess it - our male counterparts. I am not male bashing. However, we as women, have certainly encountered our own fair share of this type of bashing. Our male counterparts have no sense of the deepth of demoralization this caused many women over the years. How it affected their self-esteem and sense of self-value. Thank goodness it never affected me in this light. But I know other women who it did. I am not a feminist - by any strench of the imagination. However, because of these two women - injured in battle and held as POW's, we can stand tall with our brothers, as equals - without doubt to our abilities.

I hope the Marine Corps will change further. Wish I were just going in now. To be part of it all again. How I envy you. You will do just fine.

semper fi,
jchristin:marine:

Both women were shot, injured, and still kept on fighting!
Scuttlebutt...nothing of the kind has been reported by either woman or the DoD.

I will wait until the Truth comes out before I condemn or Praise the women/army for their actions under fire.

JChristin
04-22-03, 02:24 PM
Sorry Marine,

This isn't scuttlebutt, it is fact. Read the papers, military news - not the civilian ones. http://www.military.com


semper fi,
jchristin

USMC0311
04-22-03, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by JChristin
Sorry Marine,

This isn't scuttlebutt, it is fact. Read the papers, military news - not the civilian ones. http://www.military.com


semper fi,
jchristin

like I said Marine. The DoD nor the women have verified the scuttlebutt. I will wait to praise the actions.

22DevilPup87
04-22-03, 07:15 PM
... what I was trying to say didn't really have much to do with being male or female in the Corps. (Though that is the reason that this particular Army poolee didn't think it was possible that I be a Marine.) What I was trying to say was that there are more than just 03xx MOSs, and they're all needed. Without admin and intel infantry couldn't and wouldn't exist ...

What bothered me so much about the Army poolee was that he didn't seem to comprehend that there are a variety of MOSs, all of which are necessary to function.

... just didn't want ya'll thinkin' that I thought I was someone special just 'cause I'm a chick. You won't ever hear me say somethin' related to my gender. I'm a wannabe Marine ... the rest is unimportant.

Sixguns
04-22-03, 07:23 PM
0321 is an enlistment guarantee!!!!!

Who cares what happens after the fact. The bottom line is the kid can come home from MEPS and tell all his buddies and little suzy that he is going to be a Marine Recon Killer. He didn't have to pass anything other than an ASVAB test and physical to get the guarantee. So, he may drop out along the way, but he was still guaranteed RECON.


SF,

USMC0311
04-22-03, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Sixguns
0321 is an enlistment guarantee!!!!!

Who cares what happens after the fact. The bottom line is the kid can come home from MEPS and tell all his buddies and little suzy that he is going to be a Marine Recon Killer. He didn't have to pass anything other than an ASVAB test and physical to get the guarantee. So, he may drop out along the way, but he was still guaranteed RECON.


SF,

:thumbup: "get sum"

Liberty Call sounds at 2000 :D I sure nuff know We all the SAME Marines on Liberty. Lean Green Party Machine..."Do It"

thankee 6 Guns..Semper Fi Marine

USMC0311
04-22-03, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by 22DevilPup87
... what I was trying to say didn't really have much to do with being male or female in the Corps. (Though that is the reason that this particular Army poolee didn't think it was possible that I be a Marine.) What I was trying to say was that there are more than just 03xx MOSs, and they're all needed. Without admin and intel infantry couldn't and wouldn't exist ...

What bothered me so much about the Army poolee was that he didn't seem to comprehend that there are a variety of MOSs, all of which are necessary to function.

... just didn't want ya'll thinkin' that I thought I was someone special just 'cause I'm a chick. You won't ever hear me say somethin' related to my gender. I'm a wannabe Marine ... the rest is unimportant.

Marines are Marines...they ALL do Basic...Basic is wtf Makes a Marine....(Trained By Special Marines "DI's" to Become Marines)

We all use tools and the tools we use are what we have been trained to do, to the Best Of Ability. The Tool we all share is Being Marines.

Semper Fidelis, To The Corps

Good Luck !

22DevilPup87
04-22-03, 07:55 PM
I understand, USMC0311 - and thank you.

Patrick8605
04-23-03, 10:15 AM
I never knew 0321 was an elistment garuntee. I thought you had to do a tour or two before you could apply. Pleas correct my knowledge on this 'cause that is exactly why I want to be a Marine. To be a FR Marine.

wrbones
04-23-03, 10:56 AM
SixGuns is an active duty Marine who has spent much of his career as a recruiter. He knows the real deal. I'd pay attention if I were you. He already answered your question earlier on this thread!

In addition, First Sergeant Mike spent years as a recruiter.

Those two Marines aren't the only ones around here with Recruiting or Drill Instructor experience.

We'll play ya straight, but ya gotta pay attention.

22DevilPup87
04-23-03, 11:16 AM
Yup, gotta keep your ears open around here. Pay attention the first time so ya don't have to ask later on. If ya forget, you're in luck, 'cause it's all here in type.

MillRatUSMC
04-28-03, 01:02 PM
How times have changed...up to the 70's to advance in rank quicker many sought the 0300 field.
We're also debating how to word all of this without offending any whose MOS is other than 0300.
Cutting scores were higher in MOS's other than 0300.
Like Officers, many sought a tour in the infantry, to demostrate that they had leadership ability in combat.
Up to Vietnam the basic Recon MOS was 8651
Force Recon MOS's were;
8652 Qualified, Reconnaissance Man, Parachute Jump
8654 Qualified, Reconnaissance Man, Parachute and SCUBA.

http://www.forcerecon.org/ForceHistoryInfo.htm
History of Force Recon

http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?rm=mode2&articleid=50
Force Recon PT by Garm Olafson

Battalion Recon training employs much of this training.

One of these pages states that Force Recon Marines need to rotate after a tour in Force Recon as opposed to the other services elite units.

The reason I included Recon, many think that Recon Marines are related to 0300 or Infantry Marines.
Yet rank was hard to make in the Recon field.
Dued to many high motivated Marines.

Yet one must remember that all the other MOS's are there to support the 0300's.

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom,
can never be restored.
Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."
~ John Adams ~

Freedom
"Those who take freedom for granted,
Would be dependent,
On those brave souls,
Who are willing to pay the price for it.
And the price of freedom,
Will be paid at times unexpected,
By heroes,
Who didn't know they were."

For ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall set you free.

“The only requirement for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing”
~ Edmund Burke ~

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo