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0300poolee
05-27-05, 03:34 PM
Is there a Presidential Security or Presidential Protection MOS, and what MOS do the Marines who salute the President when he disembarks from his helicopter hold? Any information on this topic is greatly appreciated.
iowasurfer2
05-27-05, 10:35 PM
It's a special duty called Presidential Guard. You can screen for it in Boot Camp, and you can put in an AA form to screen for it after you're in the FMF. FYI - if you have anything that you required a waiver for to get in, especially drug use or ANY criminal record, (remember they will do a VERY thorough background check) you can pretty much save yourself the trouble. They're not going to let you guard the President. But if you are clean, have a good ASVAB score and have a good demeanor/tact, you have a good chance. Just an example about the background check - when I was a recruiter, NCIS stopped by and interviewed me about a guy that was in the Navy, because he had talked to me at one time about joining the Corps. They wanted to find out everything I knew about him. Including all of the information on his PAC card (the card your recruiter has on you, kept on file for 4 years) So, they will check places you never thought of - remember that!
HardJedi
05-27-05, 11:59 PM
heck, when i just went regular security forces, to get my security clearance they even went and talked to my high school councilors and things like that as well. so if you have a bad rep in high school, it can affect you.
testforecho2112
05-28-05, 07:08 AM
One of the quickest ways to get Presidential duty, they called it HMX-1 when I was in, was to go in as an MP. At the end of MP school, they did two oral boards, one for K9 and the other Helo Marine Squadron One. The Marines you see standing outside the helicopter that the President uses are HMX Marines.
Is this still the same as it was mid-90's?
Bill
iowasurfer2
05-28-05, 07:50 AM
Yeah, that is accurate. The HMX Marines stay with the helo, Presidential guard Marines are stationed at places like Camp David and the White House.
I thought it was called Yankee White duty?
If not, then what is it the difference between Yankee White and HMX?
0300poolee
05-28-05, 01:19 PM
Thanks for the info, i think that it would be interesting to serve in the Presidential Guard, but if they checked my high school they would find out that not much of the faculty likes me, mainly cause i'm a smart @ss but as for doin anything illegal i don't do drugs(nor have i ever) the only thing i have done illegal is underage drank, my asvab score is decent, and the only thing i needed a waiver for is my corrective lenses. And the reason that i want to do something involved with guarding the president is because i don't want something happening to the first president i voted for.
iowasurfer2
05-28-05, 09:16 PM
Being a smarta$$ is not disqualifying!! And the people who do these interviews understand that there are people who may not have liked you. They don't take everything they hear as gospel. But if there is a common thread among the majority of people they talk to, then it would appear to be pretty safe to assume it was true. They just want to find out about your character. Things like suspensions, defiance of authority, illegal activity (this is where those wise words of your parents come into play) remember guilt by association??? If you were someone who hung out with people of questionable (or worse) character, that could be how you are remembered by faculty. Don't let any of that discourage you if that is what you want to do. What's the worst they can do? Tell you no? What the hell!?!?!?!?
I understand this post was started in Dec. 2004, but it might benefit anyone else with the same question (and actually used the Search feature!)
HMX-1 is in fact the Presidential Helicopter Squadron. Yes, Military Police are in fact stationed here. They guard the air field and surrounding areas. As for those who salute the President as he disembarks, they are helicopter crew chiefs in the 61xx aviation field.
Another person who asked about HMX and Yankee White, here are the differences:
--HMX-1 is the actual squadron containing the VIP and support helicopters.
--Yankee White is the level of clearance required in order to perform Presidential duties. You will undergo an extensive security screening before you can earn this clearance.
If you have any questions about HMX-1, feel free to ask. I'm typically slow with responses, but I guarantee you'll get one.
buick233
12-05-07, 05:10 PM
Is this MOS, or any Security Guard MOS for that matter, open to females?
not so sure about the Security Guard MOS, but I know crew chiefs can definitely be females. In fact, I don't see why females couldn't be Security Guards. It's not like you're on the front lines.
I'm at HMX now, and we have several MP security guards.
Someone i know from highschool was slated for the Presidential Guard. He ended up mouthing off to a DI at bootcamp pretty hard core from what i understand. He was taken off the PG track and sent right off to Camp Fallujah. So if you do get that job, dont mouth off to your DI.
HMX1Sgt
12-20-07, 08:13 PM
I was in HMX-1 Security for 3 years. Great duty. Went there from Army MP School.
Lickdem89
12-20-07, 10:04 PM
i have presidential guard or security force as my mos
HMX1SGT, ever fly on one of the helos?
Sgt Leprechaun
12-21-07, 01:05 AM
Buick, that is a negative. Sorry. However, if you go the crew chief route, you can get into HMX 1 that way. You'll be flying the Prez, not just standing at the door looking pretty on TV! LOL.
What does the presidential security guard do? I have heard look good and stand next to the pres and I have also heard sit in a helo near by and wait for something to happen.
gobuffs10
06-30-08, 10:18 AM
I was told they also guard places like Camp David and such.
I don't know much about the Security Guards and where they post, but I have seen them personally at wherever the President lands. Of the two Marines saluting the President, one is a security guard;...
Pete0331
08-11-08, 02:07 PM
Exactly, If you want to join the Marines and spend 3/4 of an enlistment standing guard so be it. <br />
If you want to guard the President get a degree and join the Secret Service. <br />
Just remember that...
That applies to guards, mechanics and crew chiefs alike. HMX-1 is a different beast in itself compared to the fleet.
jmanwarhammer
10-20-08, 03:02 PM
My apologies if I'm reviving a dead thread but I've done a bit of reading on the Presidential Security MOS and was hoping that I could tap some of the more knowledgeable folks around this forum, and as the topic was right here I felt it would bear the best results. I am currently slated for this MOS (pending my background check which I assure you is not a concern for me).
-Can you be married and still have this MOS? I saw on the paper work a clause about being married but my recruiter either doesn't know much about the specifics or wont tell me. I have a fiance and obviously this could create a problem.
-What stations are this MOS likely to go? I noticed on this board and on the paperwork that I could be sent to Marine Corp Barracks Washington D.C. (mentioned both here and in the paperwork), Camp David (mentioned here), and possibly "Special Weapons" (which I assume is guarding nuclear, chemical, or some other variety of weapon and was mentioned only in the paperwork)
-About how long is this MOS tour for? The papers say that I have enlisted for 5 years and upon the completion of my guarding tour I will be reassigned to regular infantry for the remainder of my term, but it does not say how long the tour will be.
-What will my duties be in this MOS? I know its Presidential Security but I don't know what that entails exactly.
-Are there any added benefits to this program? I'm looking to get into MECEPS within the next few years and I was wondering if this would help me in that endeavor.
In answering these questions you may find the following helpful...
I have asked my recruiter all these questions and for one reason or the other he either doesn't know, cant tell me, or is unwilling to tell me. I was also told that I was selected for this job along with two or three other enlistees across America because of my high ASVAB scores and my choice of Infantry. My original MOS was what I understand is called B6 where at the end of boot I'm handed a list of MOSs that I can choose from and then be on my merry way (to infantry), but apparently "they" changed it to the Presidential option.
And so you know what my plans are for my enlistment in the Corp, and if it has any bearing on these questions, or you would like to offer some advice (please keep in mind that this is the ideal/perfect route that my career would go and I in no way expect it to be easy or without complications)...
I plan on enlisting in infantry (out of personal conviction and I also have the understanding that infantry tend to be promoted faster) and attaining E-4 within two to three years, obtaining the necessary waivers to become a candidate for MECEPS, going to school to get my degree in Mechanical Engineering (or possibly Political Science- I find both fascinating but feel the the Engineering route is a more secure future), returning from MECEPS as an officer and serving the requisite 4 years and then either leaving the service after what could be 10-12 years or continuing and retiring after 20 years (I'm not entirely certain which one I'll go, it would depend on my marriage and whether or not I would still want to stay in the future).
I hope I've provided you with enough information to answer my questions so, in advance, thank you.
hardcorps1110
10-20-08, 04:23 PM
One of my buddies just picked up what he called "Presidential Detail". I don't know what he went through to get it but I could put you in contact with him.
CplGiraffe
10-20-08, 06:06 PM
-Can you be married and still have this MOS? I saw on the paper work a clause about being married but my recruiter either doesn't know much about the specifics or wont tell me. I have a fiance and obviously this could create a problem.
I don't know anything about this specific MOS, however when I filled my forms out (for signals intel) the marriage part basicly said if you were married then your spouse could cause you to not get a clearance, for instance if they were in some way associated to terrorists or etc.
jmanwarhammer
10-20-08, 08:39 PM
One of my buddies just picked up what he called "Presidential Detail". I don't know what he went through to get it but I could put you in contact with him.
Your friend is actually in that MOS?
@jmanwarhammer
MossMC hit the nail on the head. Hypothetically, if your wife were to apply for the security clearance and would be denied, you would be denied, too. Sometimes there is a work-around, though. I know a girl whose family are Irish terrorists (sounds funny, but it's true). She didn't know about them until the investigator dug them up. Since the girl has no relation to them outside of bloodline, she isn't considered a factor to national security.
As for job duties, I know strictly about the guys I work around. From my point of view, it's basically firewatch everyday. They're assigned a post and conduct the duties of that post until properly relieved by the next gaurd. Those with authorization to enter may go through the gate; those without must leave or be escorted. There are Marine guardsmen wherever the President and HMX-1 go.
The added benefit is having Presidential Yankee White security. From what I've read, it's the highest Top Secret clearance the military can issue. There are guys who have left HMX-1 with no college education -- just their military training and the clearance -- and have scored jobs with six-figure incomes. Plus there are programs that get you jobs based on the fact you're a Marine.
When I was in boot I got selected for this, as did my buddy. We both passed the screening and were headed for the school (which has the nicest barracks rooms in the freaking Marine Corps bar none)
Neither one of us got it, he knocked his girl up, so he got sent to security forces (no dependents) and I became a broke dick POG and its only open to 0300s....
They will sit down all the eligible 03s and go over countless times who is married, who is a druggy, etc etc, you need to be CLEAN.
yellowwing
10-21-08, 11:27 AM
When I was in boot I got selected for this, as did my buddy. We both passed the screening and were headed for the school (which has the nicest barracks rooms in the freaking Marine Corps bar none)
Neither one of us got it, he knocked his girl up, so he got sent to security forces (no dependents) and I became a broke dick POG and its only open to 0300s....
They will sit down all the eligible 03s and go over countless times who is married, who is a druggy, etc etc, you need to be CLEAN.
But it speaks volumes that they come to the Marine Corps to safe guard The Man.
jmanwarhammer
10-22-08, 02:47 AM
To be clear, it was his wife getting pregnant that disqualified him from the job not actually having a wife. And out of curiosity what went awry with your attempt?
Where would I likely be stationed?
Can anyone offer some constructive criticism about my plans in the military?
Also, this is a big issue, I need to be home for Christmas this year. As it stands I leave on the 26th of this month which would in theory put me in boot camp for the holidays. I addressed this issue with my recruiter and he told me that recruits would be sent home for a number of days over the Christmas holiday and then return to finish basic. Now this doesn't seem right, I've done the research and I see no mention of this any where (with the exception of Christmas Exodus- but I don't believe that is for recruits still in basic). Can someone tell me if I'm paranoid or if my recruiter has told me a bold faced lie.
Note: If you feel any of these questions would be better received in another section let me know and I'll repost as needed.
You posted in the right forum, jman. Also, I've never heard of recruits going home; I know a guy (coincidentally, a Pres. security guard) who was still in training through the holidays. I think your recruiter is pulling a fast one. If you need to be home for Christmas, then you're better off changing your shipping date.
I understand you're curious about the job, but if you are eligible, you'll be stationed wherever you are needed in a location you and I both mentioned in earlier posts, and that's all any of us can tell you. In other words, it's based on the needs of the Marine Corps.
As for your plans, you shouldn't base your Marine Corps career on an MOS that supposedly promotes faster. For example, this month, almost the entire 03xx is closed for Corporals (https://www.manpower.usmc.mil/portal/page?_pageid=278,2029930&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL) [www.manpower.usmc.mil > Cutting Scores] while my job went from a decent 1593 to a really low 1416. Likewise, MECEP is extremely competitive, and even though almost 1/3 of the guys who signed up got it, you might not be so lucky next time around. Don't expect getting your degree this way, but it's always good to hope and to be the best Marine possible in order to stand out from the rest. You have goals, though, and you know what you want, and it will take you far in the Corps.
Before I wrap this up, if you didn't know already, you can use the Tuition Assistance program to earn a degree while serving. You'll learn more about this in recruit training and through gouge while on active duty.
0231Marine
10-22-08, 06:41 AM
Where would I likely be stationed?
I believe the Presidential Security Detachment is stationed at 8th and I in Washington D.C. Your duty location would range from the White House, Andrews Air Force Base (Air Force 1) or Camp David. The Secret Service handles security once the President travels any farther than Marine 1 can carry him.
Can anyone offer some constructive criticism about my plans in the military?
I would say, if you really are interested in this and think you'll qualify, then go for it! Not many people are able to claim that they stood watch to protect the President. Just be very aware that just like anything in the Marine Corps, there is an equal amount of dumb things that go along with any MOS.
Also, this is a big issue, I need to be home for Christmas this year. As it stands I leave on the 26th of this month which would in theory put me in boot camp for the holidays. I addressed this issue with my recruiter and he told me that recruits would be sent home for a number of days over the Christmas holiday and then return to finish basic. Now this doesn't seem right, I've done the research and I see no mention of this any where (with the exception of Christmas Exodus- but I don't believe that is for recruits still in basic). Can someone tell me if I'm paranoid or if my recruiter has told me a bold faced lie.
I don't know about a bold faced lie but I would go so far as to say he is not accurate in what he has told you. I went to Boot Camp (not basic by the way) on October 21st and everyone stayed there through the holidays and up until graduation in mid-January. They are not going to send recruits home for Thanksgiving and Christmas during the middle of training because there is far to much on the training agenda to complete in the 13 weeks. The Drill Instructors have to turn you from nasty civilian into a Marine and they are not going to give you a break in between. The minute you ship to boot camp, your butt belongs to the Marine Corps and you lose all your rights to want to be anywhere except the grinder or the pit...unless you're told you want to be somewhere else in which case you just say "Yes Sir!"
If you have some reasonable excuse for needing to be home during the holidays (something more pressing than becoming a Marine) then you need to get with your recruiter immediately and explain to him why you need to wait. Good Luck with everything Poolee!
Yut!
To be clear, it was his wife getting pregnant that disqualified him from the job not actually having a wife. And out of curiosity what went awry with your attempt?
Where would I likely be stationed?
Can anyone offer some constructive criticism about my plans in the military?
Also, this is a big issue, I need to be home for Christmas this year. As it stands I leave on the 26th of this month which would in theory put me in boot camp for the holidays. I addressed this issue with my recruiter and he told me that recruits would be sent home for a number of days over the Christmas holiday and then return to finish basic. Now this doesn't seem right, I've done the research and I see no mention of this any where (with the exception of Christmas Exodus- but I don't believe that is for recruits still in basic). Can someone tell me if I'm paranoid or if my recruiter has told me a bold faced lie.
Note: If you feel any of these questions would be better received in another section let me know and I'll repost as needed.
YOUR RECRUITER TOLD YOU THAT YOU GET TO GO HOME FOR CHRISTMAS AT BOOT CAMP? Wow. Look kid, no. This is the Marine Corps. You go where they want you to go, when they want you to be there. Get used to it or this isn't the place for you.
Also, my mistake. He was not married at the time, he got his gf pregnant, it was the pregnancy that barred him the job, then since he was dq'd anyways he married her.
polizei
10-22-08, 10:18 AM
I would suggest you push your ship date back...they don't let you go home, and it's boot.
Ok, <br />
Just found this, and being a former HMX-1 security Guard I need to set record straight for all you boots. Was with HMX-1 Security from Nov 91 to April 95, best time of my life! <br />
<O:p></O:p>...
Army MP
04-28-09, 11:30 PM
I tried to get out of the Army Reserves and go to the Marine Corps, however my paper work was declined by my Battalion Commander unfortunately.
My USMC recruiter asked me about my drug history, criminal record, and some other questions. I told her the truth. I already have a Secret Security Clearance with the Army (Don't know if that was a deciding factor). They offered me a Security Forces position that was stationed at Camp David.
Anyone have anymore information on this specific Security Forces detail?
Fubar5812
04-28-09, 11:49 PM
my buddy from Mp school went the HMX route,I went K9.I wonder how he'se doin' sometimes....
poolee barcode
02-13-10, 03:07 AM
Re-re-reviving this thread!
Just signed up hoping for some solid information, and this thread appeared with my search criteria. I came to my recruiter originally intending to go the 0311 route for my first enlistment. Due to my ASVAB score and spotless record my SSgt and GySgt met with me and told me they had this job choice available. I jumped at the opportunity per the description was incredible, essentially sounding like SEALs or Force Recon training. Lately I have spoken with some Marines who say there are physical requirements that I do not meet, along with a certain length of service requirement. I have signed the contract, sworn in, and passed clearance, but I keep hearing dpubtful things.
I still haven't found the MOS number as well, but I do remember the contract was entitled "UW," would anyone know the MOS number? What specialized training does this entail? What are some jobs to look forward to for a second enlistment? How selective is the process? What may disqualify an individual in the future?
An answer to any of these questions would be very much appreciated, thank you.
Re-re-reviving this thread!
Just signed up hoping for some solid information, and this thread appeared with my search criteria. I came to my recruiter originally intending to go the 0311 route for my first enlistment. Due to my ASVAB score and spotless record my SSgt and GySgt met with me and told me they had this job choice available. I jumped at the opportunity per the description was incredible, essentially sounding like SEALs or Force Recon training. Lately I have spoken with some Marines who say there are physical requirements that I do not meet, along with a certain length of service requirement. I have signed the contract, sworn in, and passed clearance, but I keep hearing dpubtful things.
I still haven't found the MOS number as well, but I do remember the contract was entitled "UW," would anyone know the MOS number? What specialized training does this entail? What are some jobs to look forward to for a second enlistment? How selective is the process? What may disqualify an individual in the future?
An answer to any of these questions would be very much appreciated, thank you.
there is no MOS number. you can actually find a copy of the contract online. you are UV Security Forces, and you're basically just infantry. here's where you can find the contract online. www DOT marines DOT mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%201130.53P%20W%20CH%201.pdf (i'm assuming you know to substitute the DOTs with periods...this website doesn't let you post URLs). if even that URL doesn't go through, just search for "UW security forces (PRP)" on google and go to the 6th option down. page 87 in that pdf is our contract. this isn't really even an MOS. it's two years of embassy duty in DC, followed by 3 years of duty in an active infantry unit. you're basically just going to do regular security forces duty while you wait for your clearance to pass, then if it does, you'll go get your presidential security badge, and eventually end up in the fleet.
oh, and Security Forces (PRP) are NOT HMX. those are the marines that fly the president around in the helicopter.
jmanwarhammer
02-15-10, 09:53 PM
If you have any questions about this MOS which is 8152 Marine Corp Security Forces PM me and I'd be happy to explain further, within the limits Operational Security.
And it is NOT I repeat NOT SEALS or Special Forces. You will get advanced training in Counter-Terrorism and you do have an improved chance of going to specialized schools versus Marines in the fleet. You will have a negative connotation in the fleet for your background in MCSF but if you do it right it sets you up really well for after the service.
PM me and Ill explain more.
Casper89
02-20-10, 10:43 AM
Buick, As far as I know the Security Guard MOS is not open for females, even though the MP MOS is. HMX-1 does allow females in.
OneRadRudeBoy
02-28-10, 04:29 PM
My recruiter just told me that I got this for my MOS, so EXCITED. Hopefully there'll be at least a glimpse of me on the news one day so I can say, hey! See that Marine lookin' sharp in his Blues right next to the President? Me. What have you done with your life? Heh
Alex0219
09-21-10, 06:55 PM
I just received my MOS and it is Security Forces Presidential Detail. I was wondering what training I will go through before I arrive at my duty station. Thank you for any information you can provide!