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thedrifter
06-17-04, 08:46 AM
How Much Is That Uzi In The Window?

By Evan Wright

LOS ANGELES -- To the American troops in Iraq being subjected to a daily
rain of fire from roadside bombs, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, it
often seems that the insurgents have limitless stocks of munitions. In fact,
in the time I spent embedded with a platoon there, I heard more than one
marine joke that the insurgents must have more bullets to spare than the
Americans.

But it's no joke: some military officials told me that the Iraqis have so
many weapons that they are suspected of exporting them over the Syrian
border. And for this bounty, they can thank the Pentagon. Of all the
blunders American military leaders have made in Iraq, one of the least
talked about is how they succeeded in arming the insurgents.

By the time of the coalition invasion, Iraq had one of the largest
conventional arms stockpiles in the world. According to one American
military estimate, this included three million tons of bombs and bullets;
millions of AK-47's and other rifles, rocket launchers and mortar tubes; and
thousands of more sophisticated arms like ground-to-air missiles. Much of
the arsenal was stored in vast warehouse complexes, some of which occupied
several square miles. As war approached, Iraqi commanders ordered these
mountains of munitions to be dispersed across the country in thousands of
small caches.

The marines I was embedded with - a forward reconnaissance unit at the front
of the initial invasion - were stunned by the sheer amounts of weaponry they
saw as we raced across some 400 miles to Baghdad. Along much of the route,
Iraqi forces had dug holes every couple of hundred yards in which they'd
piled grenades, mortars and other munitions. Village schools, health clinics
and other government buildings had been turned into ammunition dumps. New
rifles, sometimes still sealed in plastic bags, littered the roadsides like
trash along a blighted American highway.

But under orders to reach Baghdad as quickly as possible, the marines rarely
had a chance to remove, destroy or even mark the stockpiles. In one village,
combat engineers (led by local children whom they had bribed with bags of
Skittles candies) discovered an underground bunker crammed with dozens of
sophisticated air-to-ground missiles. Yet higher-ups in the division
insisted that there was no time to destroy them. The marines moved on,
leaving the missiles unguarded.

The job of removing ordnance was complicated by the fact that many of the
combat engineers in the invasion were not adequately trained for the task.
Munitions are not easy to destroy.

Ellie

mrbsox
06-17-04, 01:19 PM
The job of removing ordnance was complicated by the fact that many of the
combat engineers in the invasion were not adequately trained for the task.
Munitions are not easy to destroy.

Sure they are.
1 thermite, 2 frag, 1 Humvee.
Recipe:
As quickly as practicle, stack as much of the munitions as available together.
Tape the thermit to the 2 frags.
Pull pin on the thermite, place atop the piled munitions.
Quickly, add A$$ to the Humvee and haul it teh Fk out of there.
Enjoy the fireworks.
Entertains for miles !!

cjwright90
06-17-04, 01:53 PM
Or this one.

Set up same as above, with thermite and frags. Hop in said Humvee. Drive to safe distance(=max effective direct fire range) and bloop a few well placed Mk19 rounds. My friend was on a trac in DS1 and did that a few times. Dropped a few well placed(as all Marine rounds down range are) and blew the farsdroopy out of plenty of ammo dumps. And the rockets red glare...

jryanjack
06-17-04, 02:11 PM
If you ask me its just stupid to leave a fully stocked ammo dump behind. How long does it take to do either of the above steps?

Maybe if we had taken a few extra minutes during the march to Baghdad the insurgents would not have all the weapons that they do now???

cjwright90
06-17-04, 02:17 PM
Not much we can do about that now. I am sure they had plenty around that were not discovered, too. Not being there, it is hard to tell how easy or hard that would have been.

HardJedi
06-17-04, 02:26 PM
Ahhhh well, it's not the WEAPONS anyway.

It's the PEOPLE!
if you destroyed EVERY bit of metal or gunpowder in the ENTIRE middle east, they would just sharpen wooden stakes and come at our troops with those.

take away the wood, and they will sharpen rocks

Take away the rocks, and they will use fist and teeth.

here's a freebie for ya.

Put a bullet in the head, and you stop the mind

Stop the mind, you stop the arm

stop the arm, an you stop the hand

stop the hand and you stop the weapon from hurting you.

See? simple as that.

cjwright90
06-17-04, 02:42 PM
So, Jedi, the answer should/would have been MOAB?

GunnerMike
06-17-04, 02:44 PM
How Much Is That Uzi In The Window?

Why is it that everytime I hear some Liberal going off about any type of weapon that the first word out is, "Uzi"? Guess it sounds sexy and sinister.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

The only difference between a reporter and a hooker is that that the hooker is up front about the results of the impending social interaction.

HardJedi
06-17-04, 02:45 PM
sorry CJ, not familiar with that one, what is MOAB?

snipowsky
06-17-04, 02:56 PM
MOAB = MOTHER OF ALL BOMBS!

How stupid! Not enough time to destroy the enemy amunition and weapons stockpiles? Were these commanders smoking crack while enroute to Baghdad? They must have been...doesn't sound like the smart Marine Corps I served in. No wonder the security situation in Iraq is so FUBAR!

Semper Fi

HardJedi
06-17-04, 03:10 PM
NAH! no MOAB, Not what I meant, just saying( as any god NRA person would, or MARINE for that matter)

there are no dangerous weapons. Just dangerous PEOPLE.

proof of that, look at the French. They alway's have had some pretty good small arms. but when were they ever a threat to anyone? :D

mrbsox
06-17-04, 03:40 PM
Massive
Ordinance
Air
Burst

20K lbs. of conventional explosive.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4722&highlight=MOAB

Bigger than the 'Daisy Cutter' used in 'Nam to CREATE LZ's

Also known as;
earsplittinkaboomkin
daaaaaaaaaaamn

mrbsox
06-17-04, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by HardJedi
They alway's have had some pretty good small arms. but when were they ever a threat to anyone? :D

When they were thrown down, they might actually fire a round

:banana: :banana:

cjwright90
06-17-04, 03:49 PM
Well, MOAB would handle all the stupid people, but it would also handle the non hostiles. Like I said before, we truly do not know why they passed them or had to pass them. I do agree it seems like it should have been a priority, but got lost in the haze of advancement. Perhaps the commanders could have made a radio call to teh rear of the procession for them to pick up the dumps that the forward units could not have gotten to. Not sure on that. I agree with the NRA part of you Jedi that the weapons are not dangerous but the people are. The people there, the insurgents are very dangerous. The weapons they use are made dangerous by them.

mrbsox
06-18-04, 05:25 PM
knew had a link somewheres