Is this urge to sign for an infantry job temporary?

[nkabbaz]

I'm 22 and finally taking the step to join the Marines. I have always wanted to but went straight to college after high school then started working. I got into some legal trouble and thought I couldn't join the military but when I talked to my recruiter he let me know that I could. I have gone to MEPS but I didn't sign. I'm waiting on psychological evaluation. So while I'm waiting I have done a lot of thinking about my MOS. I can learn anything quickly and want to make a career in the Marines. I scored a 93 on the ASVAB so my recruiter assumes I won't want an infantry job but I kind of want to. I really always have. So my questions are: Do any of you regret going infantry or not going infantry? Is infantry tough to make a career out of? And finally, are infantry marines still fighting in the middle east?

[USMC 2571]

You'll get plenty of responses with this question. Good luck to you. Keep us updated, please.

[nkabbaz]

Thanks! I'm just worried that my young gung ho mind might be getting me into more than I expect.

[josephd]

I am not infantry but I will tell you from experience that I wish I had gone infantry, it's only 4 years.

[nkabbaz]

Thank you Sir. And on that note, is a lat move easy to come by upon reenlistment?

[Tennessee Top]

The only Marines participating in combat operations in the Middle East currently are pilots. Any infantry Marines there are in advisory/training roles. Unless there is a drastic change in the...

[Tennessee Top]

Lateral moves are a gamble and nobody should enlist with the expectation of getting into the MOS they really want via that route (regardless of what a recruiter claims). If a recruiter says otherwise, have them put it in writing.

[USMCARivera]

When I first enlisted I wanted to be an infantryman but I was in a hurry to leave for boot camp so I went open contract and ended up getting Artillery. After working closely with infantry Marines, I'm glad I didn't choose that MOS. It wouldn't have been the right fit for me personally. It is definitely a young mans game as top said. If it's what you really want to do follow your dream. However, the likelihood of you making a career out of it is very slim. Forces are being reduced drastically and even if you make the cut you'll eventually have to leave to do a B billet by the time you finish that you'll be in your late twenties to early thirties and a lot of the recruiters here who came from infantry either stay on as 8412's or try and lat move out.

[nkabbaz]

I understand that advice, it is well received. I have heard other marines saying that they didn't feel complete after not going infantry. I would hate to miss out on a fight, and I feel like I could really do some good in the field. I guess I was thinking I could contract as infantry and just switch after my first contract was up. I'm glad I came across this site.

[josephd]

Another thing to keep in mind is that just because you go infantry doesn't mean you will see any combat, even if we get into another ground conflict somewhere.

A few friends of mine from boot were infantry, other than a MEU(Marine Expeditionary Unit...on ship with the Navy) they never went on deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. Then there was me, a bulk fuel reservist who got to do some time(8 months) on the ground.

[Tennessee Top]

Even if you get into that field, there is no guarantee you'll ever get into any fights (especially at the rate it's going now).

Regardless of never being a grunt, I can promise you I had a very complete career (look at my profile) and have never regretted being a POG.

After your first contract is up, you would be lucky to just get a second one. Switching MOS's would be even more unlikely. That's just how the numbers work out in today's professional all-volunteer force.

[nkabbaz]

Very well put guys. I think I'm going to try to be a pilot. It has always been another dream to fly. When it comes time to pick my MOS all of this advice will surely help me. I know a lot of the recruits and poolees are in the same boat as I am (wanting to do infantry for the "experience"). I'll let them know about this information and I'll recommend this site. Thanks to everyone for your service to our country and taking your time to help guys like me. I'll be sure to pay it forward when I have some experience and knowledge to pass on.

[josephd]

Very well put guys. I think I'm going to try to be a pilot. It has always been another dream to fly. When it comes time to pick my MOS all of this advice will surely help me. I know a lot of the recruits and poolees are in the same boat as I am (wanting to do infantry for the "experience"). I'll let them know about this information and I'll recommend this site. Thanks to everyone for your service to our country and taking your time to help guys like me. I'll be sure to pay it forward when I have some experience and knowledge to pass on.

Did you graduate from college?....you have to be able to commission as an officer to fly in any/all of the branches of the military.

[Tennessee Top]

I think by the time you finish all the commissioning programs you'll be too old to apply to flight school (age limit is the first thing you need to find out). There is a USMC pilot here but he rarely has time to drop by. I'll see if I can find his screen name so you can PM him.

[nkabbaz]

I did not graduate. I have two years under my belt. Would I be able to finish my degree while I'm working on being commissioned? My recruiter is trying to get me in to active duty ocs.

[Tennessee Top]

You can go to the Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) the summer before your senior year. But, you must graduate from a four year school in order to receive a commission. There is no such thing as active duty OCS. There are commissioning programs for active duty enlisted Marines. Sounds like your recruiter is throwing a lot of stuff at you (shotgun approach). You need to make sure you're understanding everything they're telling you (and not just what you want to hear). And, any promises are in writing.

[nkabbaz]

PLC is what he said now that I think about it. That conversation was quite some time ago. We called an OSO and she mentioned something about finishing my degree once I got in. I am waiting for bu med so it will be awhile before we start really talking options. I just want to be well informed before I talk with him again so I know what I'm asking for.

[Tennessee Top]

She was probably talking about the Marine Enlisted Commissioning Program (MECEP). You can GOOGLE it. Your chance of being accepted is probably less than 1%.

[Tennessee Top]

I was in for 22.6 years. During that time, I personally knew one Sergeant who was accepted for MECEP. Heard of a couple others but never knew them. To say it is highly competitive would be an understatement.

[Mongoose]

During the VN war, most bush Marines didn't have a say in what their mos was. It was like boot camp......you hated it at the time....but was proud and honored of what you did, once it was behind you. It takes a certain mind set and burning desire to make a happy grunt. That being said, it takes the all the support elements on hand, to make a Marine Infantry unit function successfully. So, if you want to get up close and personal with half crazy azzholes trying to kill you and you don't mind starving half the time....you don't like to sleep much.....you don't mind not bathing for weeks at a time....you get along with insects and snakes....and you love the great outdoors....then your grunt material.

[josephd]

If you have 2 years left you are going to want to get a flight contract with PLC Seniors. It will pretty much guarantee you a flight school seat(as long as you pass physically).

You will go to a 10-week OCS course in Quantico, VA. Upon graduating from OCS, you'll go back to school for your senior year and commission as a 2nd Lt. upon graduation. From there you'll get orders to TBS(the basic school) and then to flight school after that.

MECEP as Top already pointed out is EXTREMELY selective and you wouldn't even be eligible for that until your a senior NCO/SNCO which would more than likely be into a second enlistment(6-8 years). ECP is the same boat if you enlisted with a college degree.

I have been through the PLC/OCS commissioning process a few times now, trust me when I tell you that your best chance of commissioning and becoming a pilot would be to do it as a civilian college student, not enlisting and being "prior service" or what is referred to as a Mustang Officer.

[nkabbaz]

Is PLC still an option if I'm not currently enrolled in school?

[Tennessee Top]

No. You must be enrolled as a full-time student at an accredited college. Think of PLC as an alternative to ROTC.

You need to:

a. Get more serious about your goals (get back in school if you want to get a commission). Appears you are only spinning your wheels right now waiting for BUMED but your clock is ticking and you're not getting any younger.

b. Do some of this research on your own. All the information about commissioning programs can be found with a simple GOOGLE search.