Illegal Aliens.

[firstsgtmike]

White House verifies immigration review


By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The White House yesterday said a new immigration review is under way that could lead to amnesty for millions of illegal aliens living and working in the United States.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said during a town hall meeting in Miami that the government had to "afford some kind of legal status" to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the country.
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There's more to the article, but this is enough to gag a maggot.

In MY experience, aliens attempting to obtain a visa for legal immigration to the US are required:

1. To obtain and provide a medical clearance certificate from a source recognized/designated by the local American Embassy.

2. To obtain and provide a police clearance from the applicant's city or community of residence.

3. To provide proof of assets or supportive income so they will not become dependent upon charity or welfare for support.

Will this be required of the 8-12 million illegal aliens in order for them to obtain "some kind of legal status"?

For legal immigrants, countries and areas are admitted under a strict quota system. Depending on the category, in the Philippines, applications have been on file for as much as ten years, waiting for their turn to be processed and be granted immigration status.

I have a friend, an American veteran, who wants to return to the US with his 3 American children and their alien mother. She was denied a visa because of his income. (and how can he apply for a job while he is overseas?)

His best bet is to get her to Mexico, and teach her how to swim.

Does any of this make sense to you? If it does, please explain it to me.

[ivalis]

Swartznegger violated the conditions of his student visa thereby becoming an illegal alien at one time.

Just something to think about.

[greensideout]

Why doesn't he just come and get a job with enough income and then have his family join him?
Life is full of hardships, this one seems minor.

[RichLundeen]

800,000 ANNUAL immigrants, from Mexico alone. Illegal. Key word.

Like the 1st Sgt said, we've all seen issues w/ bringing FAMILY home!

WTF!?

Wait till Mr. Ridge, and his ilk, run for President.

'No way', you say?

Politicians parlay their approach to their constituency, i.e. minority, religion, etc.

Wait and see. Go ahead and try to tell me Spanish isn't being forced into our culture and BASIC curriculum, while our children's ability to be competitive on a global scale in regard to scholastic performance lacks.

This, from the greatest country.

Grab a slice of reality, people.

And take a BIG ASS BITE!

Understand, cultures differ from ours.

Adjust accordingly.

Semper Fi

Rich

[firstsgtmike]

A point was made that 8 million illegal aliens should be overlooked because Arnold Swartznegger was once one of them.

I guess the point being that if we didn't accept the 8 million illegal aliens, we wouldn't have an Arnold Swartznegger.

By extention, does that mean that if we eliminated all restrictions, and 40 million aliens entered the US that FIVE Arnold Swartzneggers would arise from the group?

We could save a lot of money, time and trouble just by cloning Arnold.
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There are two types of illegal aliens.

One, those who passed the visa processing, as to health, police record, and financial stability, and then overstayed their visas.

And the other, those who just snuck in, and we know absolutely nothing about them.

[ivalis]

I never said that the illegal aliens should be overlooked (look before ya leap to conclusions).

Overstaying/violating a student visa was how some of the 9/11 bombers were in the country at the time.

The INS doesn't know anymore about those that violate VISA requirements than those that simply slipped across the border undocumented.

[MillRatUSMC]

We focus on the southern border but there the northern border besides both coasts where illegal aliens might enter... <br />
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http://www.house.gov/judiciary/smit0414.htm <br />
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The crackdown on illegal drugs...

[MillRatUSMC]

There also the farm labor to consider.
Many Mexicans work on farms for cheap wages.
Without those laborers, the cost of our produce would be more than it is.
Many farms would fail dued to the high cost of labor.
I don't see many Americans willing to do what they are now doing.
So that another price to pay.
What the answer to all this?

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

[RichLundeen]

That IS one heck of a tough one to answer. There are plenty of smart people, that are paid to figure this stuff out, that haven't yet.

And, Americans WILL pay to have their azzez wiped, if it's cheap enough.

"We are not going to tolerate a system that treats U.S. citizens and aliens the same. All aliens are not terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are aliens.
We do not want to live in a police state, where every American is treated like a terrorist, drug trafficker, money launderer, illegal alien, or common criminal. "

Nicely said!

"Illegal aliens come in many shades, so why single out those of bronze skin? "

I agree. We have a 'color blindness' issue, that although is slowly receeding, but will never go away.

I think the fear that is bred, due to ignorance, is summed up by your statement; "but nearly all terrorists are aliens. "

That, coupled with the security of America (ah, fast food, the abuse of the automobile, etc., the trappings of $$ and lazyiness), and our crappy 'mass media' hyping everything short of gnat farts, I don't think there will be an answer anytime soon.

Your post kicks ass, Ricardo.

Semper Fi

Rich

[ivalis]

You said it Ricardo!

The Bush administration will never allow the country to find out its culpability in the 9/11 disaster.

Let's just blame the immigrants. If I remember correctly the Oklahoma City bombing was done by dudes that were whiter than white.

[TMM54]

I was stationed at MCAS Yuma 1984, and spent many nights
along the Colorado River, which is the border with Mexico.
As soon as the sun went down, you could watch the men
come across the river, headed for who knows where. The
Border Patrol was overwhelmed then, and I am sure that it has not gotten any better, only worse. One night, along perhaps
a stretch of perhaps two hundred yards of riverfront, I quit
counting the number of men coming illegaly into the United
States after I reached one hundred. This continues to go on, and if anyone thinks that our border is anything but a leaking faucet,
they are mistaken. The solution is not the border, or keeping
people out. The solution is changing the way people outside the
United States view us, so these awful terrorists act stop. Just
my thoughts, and I am wrong often. Semper Fidelis, Tom Murray

[greensideout]

ivalis, if you think that "the Oklahoma City bombing was done by dudes that were whiter then white", then you need a wake-up call. Color of skin had nothing to do with it.

[RichLundeen]

Roger that, Greenside.

Purple with pink polka dots wouldn't have mattered.

Tom, I respect your opinion, but getting others to change the way they think of us is idealistic, at best.

We are Americans. Most of us try to represent our country the best we can, even try to compensate for our 'traveling partners' ocasionally (I travel for work).

Albeit, it's difficult to compensate for the 'ugly American', I won't feel guilty for being one.

Hell, I was down in Mexico last week (along with anothe Marine friend of mine, long story, if your interested: http://www.grunt.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8139)

I like it. Simple people, trying to get what they can. Border town, Naco, south of Bisbee.

The solution is not as clear as 'borders', like you say. But it may be a start.

Semper Fi

Rich

[firstsgtmike]

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