Should I lie at MEPS?

[barronmyers]

Hello, all. First, thank you for serving this great country, especially in the Marine Corps. Anyway, I am about to enroll in the DEP, but I am at a crossroad. A couple years ago, I was put on anti-depressants for a three year stretch. I was prescribed several different medications with several visits in that time span. I never took the meds though. My parents were going through a divorce, and my parents MADE me go to the doctors. They were really messed up at the time, and everything was crazy. Regardless, my medical records look terrible. I want to get a waiver, so I don't feel like I am sneaking in to the military. However, I went to the doctor to look at the f**king book that is my medical record now, and it would be a sure DQ I think. I tried getting the stuff removed now that I am eighteen and I never felt I needed it anyway. He said he couldn't do that, but I was able to file a note of disagreement. Should I just lie at MEPS about all of this bs? Also, I have a missing molar tooth from a wisdom tooth surgery, but my recruiter says it is no big deal, and that once they see it on the xray they won't care. Is that true? I hope I don't come off as high maintenance or like a possible detriment to the Corps. The last thing I want to do is lie. However, in my eyes, that does not break the core value of honor as it is trivial. These "conditions" don't affect me whatsoever and do not matter. I will pass BCT and become a Marine no matter what. Thanks in advance, everyone.

[doc h fmf]

fill out your profile son you are violating rules already

[Kegler300]

If you enlist, you will be the subject of a NACLC background investigation at a minimum, which is a secret level investigation. They will gain access to your medical records because you will be required to sign a medical release form upon initiation of the background investigation.

[Lisa 23]

First, PM Sgt Leprechaun and ask him to move this to the Ask A Marine forum. Don't double post.
Second, no profile, no answers......site rules, which can be found in the poolee and Ask A Marine forums.
Third...try doing a search on the site as this topic has been covered before.
Fourth...you lie now, you'll continue to lie.
Fifth....if you do happen to get a waiver for being on anti-depressants, you ever hear of fraudulent enlistment?

[Burke7051]

If you are already asking Marines as to whether or not you should lie, then you are heading downhill at 90 miles an hour for a dishonorable discharge if you do become a Marine. If you were to lie at...

[barronmyers]

Yes, I know about fraudelent enlistment and that is one of the reason's I don't want to lie. I know I won't continue to lie because this is something that was not my fault. If I do not lie, I don't get a chance. I'm not some shady guy trying to cut corners or something. I have wanted to be a Marine my whole life, and I won't let some prescription happy doctor and my parents crap ruin it. The only way I will be caught is if it comes up, which it never will because it is not an issue. They don't check records for every recruit; it would cost too much. My only concern is the missing tooth leading to them actually pulling my records. Sorry if I posted in the wrong spot by the way. I'm new to this forum. Thanks for answering.

[Zulu 36]

Look at it this way: Down the road while job hunting, you can say, "I tried to enlist in the Marines, but I was medically disqualified." Or, do you want to say, "I lied about my medical background to get in the Marines, but they caught me, and threw me out on a fraudulent enlistment."

Which statement is more likely to loose you another job opportunity and which is going to at least keep you in the running? The truth.

Believe me when I say that if the Corps can find out, so can a civilian employer if they want to badly enough.

[barronmyers]

Look at it this way: Down the road while job hunting, you can say, "I tried to enlist in the Marines, but I was medically disqualified." Or, do you want to say, "I lied about my medical background to get in the Marines, but they caught me, and threw me out on a fraudulent enlistment."

Which statement is more likely to loose you another job opportunity and which is going to at least keep you in the running? The truth.

Believe me when I say that if the Corps can find out, so can a civilian employer if they want to badly enough.

Thanks for the insight, Zulu. I wanted to be a lifer, but thats out of the picture now due to the security clearance and all.

[BadAce2212]

Should I lie at MEPS is like asking if I should Sh*t in the rain room, dont make no fu**in sense. Tell the fu**in truth and whatever happens happens. Explain the situation to the doc at MEPS and go from there. Our core values are Honor, Courage, Commitment. You cant have one without the others and there is no honor in lying. I apologize for the foul language but lying is the one thing I probably hate the most.

[Tun Tavern]

Barron, while I understand your plight to want to be a Marine at all cost, please don't take the advice of a person whose sole mission on LN.com is to be the board contrarian. He does not have your best interest at heart.

Though most who enlist fraudulently do not get caught, many do. Do you want to take that chance?

Check out these two links:

This one will explain what actually can happen to you if you are caught after fraudulently enlisting -
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm83.htm

This one has examples of people who got caught and what happened to them -
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm83.htm

Again, don't just take the word of somebody who has nothing to lose if you get caught. Do a little research on the web. There are many examples out there if you google "consequences for fraudulent enlistment".

[AlohaMarine]

Barron, while I understand your plight to want to be a Marine at all cost, please don't take the advice of a person whose sole mission on LN.com is to be the board contrarian. He does not have your best interest at heart.

Are you kidding me? Do you know how many Marines I know that haven't disclosed...

Drug use
Surgeries
Medications
Counsellings
Arrests

...to the Corps? Do you know how many of these guys got out honorably or even reenlisted? All of them.

You guys jumping down this kids throat is a joke and you're using scare tactics because you know he doesn't know any better.

Saying he has no integrity because he's going to lie at MEPS to make his life better, what a ****ing crock of ****.

Kid, your future is in your hands. You will be DQ'd from using anti-depressants. If you want to reenlist and you don't think that **** is on some form somewhere, don't ****ing tell them.

<----lied at MEPS, has a secret clearance, and no one has ever come after me.

[Carpshooter]

I have never lied while in the Corps or even before , and that's my story and I'm STICKING TO IT !

I'm one of the few , according to the previous post !

I know of guys who thought they were Marines , but they fib !

[Zulu 36]

I am very glad about two things, Aloha: #1 - I will never have you working for me, and #2 - I will never work for you. Your integrity has been lost someplace, if it ever existed.

[Tun Tavern]

As I said, if you took the time to read properly without going off halfcocked, most do not get caught.

Let me underline that for you most...hell I'll even capitalize it for you since your attention to detail is lacking. MOST. I'll even take it one step farther so that you'll be sure to see it this time, MOST do not get caught.

But what you failed to share with him, in that first post, is the fact that some have and do. You were more concerned with flipping off the board to make a point that you purposely left out a detail that is factual.

Just because you can lie without blinking an eye and didn't get caught does not mean he will share your same fate. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure that out. Or maybe not...

[AlohaMarine]

Sure Dave,

He'll come out a civilian while his peers that did lie go on to succesful careers in the United States Marine corps.

[USNAviator]

Can't believe even the title of the thread. How sad, how truly sad. And yes it's in all branches.

Can you imagine Chesty, Bull Halsey Dick Winters, my Dad, your Dad even thinking about such a question?

To the OP, are you in the habit of being a liar in your everyday life? If the answer is even a sometimes go find yourself another line of work. Why? Because a liar can't be trusted. Once you lose trust, damn hard to get it back

Start examining who you are, what your core values are before it's too late for you

[Burke7051]

http://dopetype.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/funny-motivational-posters-76-20.jpg?w=500&h=400

[BadAce2212]

So sad that you would try to pass along your distgusting ways to someone else. You know what I had some words for your sh*tbird a** but Im not even going to waste my frackin time on your sorry ass. SOOOO glad my beloved Corps has got rid of your a**. You fu**in distgust me.

[BadAce2212]

I was just thinking nearly the same thing as I was logging back on.
It's one thing to lie and have no integrity.
It's another to advise someone else, and especially a younger person, to follow in his footsteps.
Good point.

I'm to the point where I'm about to log out and power down. I have more respect for the weatherman right now than I do for Aloha. Sad I have to say that about my brethren. Im about to bite my tongue in half trying not to tell him whats on my mind.Telling someone that you know plenty, including yourself that lied at MEPS shows how much some really care about the oath they took, and our core values. It's distugusting that someone would even try to pass along corrupt information like that. Its a good thing we have Marines on this site who are willing to defend the integrity of our Corps. God bless them, and God bless the Corps. :usmc:

[Mistybluelady]

It will be a beautiful day when Aloha is gone... do we have a countdown? here's to hoping once he is gone he doesnt post his babble anymore.....

[HST]

I don't know anything about the enlistment process today but what's wrong with telling the truth? This guy says he didn't take the meds. The fact that they were prescribed doesn't mean anything. Dave's the expert but my common sense says, unless someone claims that they saw him taking them or a drug test found the meds in his body, its his word against a no ones. If you lie they are going to find out about it and from that point they won't believe anything you say. Tell the truth.

[HST]

Agree, 100% Dave. I can understand him thinking about lying, he wants to be a Marine, Sometimes the desire overrules common sense. I give him credit for asking us and I think most of us gave him the right answer. I hope he heeds our advice

[USNAviator]

I don't know anything about the enlistment process today but what's wrong with telling the truth? This guy says he didn't take the meds. The fact that they were prescribed doesn't mean anything. Dave's the expert but my common sense says, unless someone claims that they saw him taking them or a drug test found the meds in his body, its his word against a no ones. If you lie they are going to find out about it and from that point they won't believe anything you say. Tell the truth.


Geeez Tony, what a concept, tell the truth. It fly's in the face of common convention. How radical!

Fluckin A bubba!!!

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Aloha's presence will no longer be in THIS room, as his information is 100 percent what 'we' DON'T tell kids.

While not banned from the site, his posting permissions in the 'recruit' area have been removed.

Honesty is the best policy. Period. It's also what our NCO's are SUPPOSED to have, a little thing called "Integrity". Might want to look that one up in your 'NCO Handbook'.

Furthermore, lest some young impressionable girl or guy get the wrong idea, those posts, including where quoted, have been removed.

Next offense of THIS nature, and I will remove the offending poster for a period of not less than 30 days.

[barronmyers]

Barron, while I understand your plight to want to be a Marine at all cost, please don't take the advice of a person whose sole mission on LN.com is to be the board contrarian. He does not have your best interest at heart.

Though most who enlist fraudulently do not get caught, many do. Do you want to take that chance?

Check out these two links:

This one will explain what actually can happen to you if you are caught after fraudulently enlisting -
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm83.htm

This one has examples of people who got caught and what happened to them -
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm83.htm

Again, don't just take the word of somebody who has nothing to lose if you get caught. Do a little research on the web. There are many examples out there if you google "consequences for fraudulent enlistment".

Thanks for the advice, Tavern and all who posted. Y'all really helped to put things in perspective. I don't remember who posted saying I am a liar or something, but that's not true whatsoever. It must be pretty f**cking nice to be able to be a part of the greatest brotherhood of all time without hiding anything. Unfortunately, I had no choice in the matter of those disqualifying doctors appts. If I wanted to cut corners or some sh*t like that, I would have enlisted in some other branch. I was only considering it because this is something I really want and would be willing to risk the punishment for. Anyone who knows me in real life wouldn't believe I was ever on some kind of prescription or that I am a liar. It's bs that I even have to worry about hiding it. Again, thanks to everyone that answered.

[CKing]

People sometimes get away with lying at first like one guy in my platoon back in bootcamp. He lied about having ADD or something like that, then he got hurt sometime in 2nd phase the docs were checking his files on meds he was allergic to and could or could not take and they found out he had been perscribed meds for ADD and that he had lied about it so he got seperated and sent home. Long story short from what i have witnessed is dont lie because they eventually will catch you. Now that kid is probably at home telling some story about how he was to tough for the Marine Corps or that he didnt feel like doing it anymore...dont put yourself in that position you are under a lot of stress at bootcamp why add more. God luck I hope everything works out for you

[USNAviator]

Thanks for the advice, Tavern and all who posted. Y'all really helped to put things in perspective. I don't remember who posted saying I am a liar or something, but that's not true whatsoever. It must be pretty f**cking nice to be able to be a part of the greatest brotherhood of all time without hiding anything. Unfortunately, I had no choice in the matter of those disqualifying doctors appts. If I wanted to cut corners or some sh*t like that, I would have enlisted in some other branch. I was only considering it because this is something I really want and would be willing to risk the punishment for. Anyone who knows me in real life wouldn't believe I was ever on some kind of prescription or that I am a liar. It's bs that I even have to worry about hiding it. Again, thanks to everyone that answered.

Are you asking about my post?

"To the OP, are you in the habit of being a liar in your everyday life? If the answer is even a sometimes go find yourself another line of work. Why? Because a liar can't be trusted. Once you lose trust, damn hard to get it back"

Did I call you a liar? You came here asking if you should lie, you were told no with the exception of one incredibly immature individual. If it wasn't me, in your mind, please point out who called you a liar.

[Tun Tavern]

Thanks for the advice, Tavern and all who posted. Y'all really helped to put things in perspective.

You're welcome. I just wanted you to understand that the advice Aloha gave you was not 100% correct and the consequences for following his bad advice could be unsavory.

Also, I realized the link I gave you for the examples of penalties imposed to those who had fraudulently enlisted and got caught was the same link as the first one I included. So here is the proper one:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/falsestatements.htm

Please take a look at it.

Ultimately, the choice is up to you. We cannot force you to enlist with integrity.
But I wanted you to be fully aware of what the outcome could be.

Good luck.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I'd suggest an answer to the Commanders question, if you wish to remain on OUR site.....

[doc h fmf]

LYING ESPECIALLY MEDICAL PROBLEM IS A PET PEEVE TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT THIS KID HAD ASTHMA WITHHELD THIS INFO AND DIED.
this has bothered me for years even though we did all we could do

[USNAviator]

LYING ESPECIALLY MEDICAL PROBLEM IS A PET PEEVE TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT THIS KID HAD ASTHMA WITHHELD THIS INFO AND DIED.
this has bothered me for years even though we did all we could do

Doc it wasn't your fault nor the fault of the Corpsmen or Doctors. One of the consequences of being a liar is that someone gets hurt. It may be the liar him/her self but it's usually some trusting soul. In the case of combat, whether on the ground or above it, if you can't trust the individual you are with then cut your potential losses and get the hell away.

[USNAviator]

I'd suggest an answer to the Commanders question, if you wish to remain on OUR site.....

I appreciate it Jason but I don't expect to happen. He didn't get the answer he was fishing for. As a friend of mine so often tells me, God answers every prayer but sometimes the answer is no.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I know sir. Nonetheless, an OFFICER has, in fact, asked a question, and in MY little world, it will by god be answered.

Actions have consequences.....

[USNAviator]

I know sir. Nonetheless, an OFFICER has, in fact, asked a question, and in MY little world, it will by god be answered.

Actions have consequences.....

Understood Sgt.May I suggest giving him 24hrs? After all he might be off telling non verifiable deceptive hyperbole, resulting in vilification and mendacity........;)

[Sgt Leprechaun]

LOL.

Done sir.

[Zulu 36]

Understood Sgt.May I suggest giving him 24hrs? After all he might be off telling non verifiable deceptive hyperbole, resulting in vilification and mendacity........;)
Wow. So that's what the Navy does by making your guys wear those helmets and face masks. Nice vocab. :D

[USNAviator]

Wow. So that's what the Navy does by making your guys wear those helmets and face masks. Nice vocab. :D


LOL, I only repeated what my Zoomie lawyer told me to say......:thumbup:

[barronmyers]

Are you asking about my post?

"To the OP, are you in the habit of being a liar in your everyday life? If the answer is even a sometimes go find yourself another line of work. Why? Because a liar can't be trusted. Once you lose trust, damn hard to get it back"

Did I call you a liar? You came here asking if you should lie, you were told no with the exception of one incredibly immature individual. If it wasn't me, in your mind, please point out who called you a liar.


Yes, I may have misunderstood your post or something. To me, it looked like your saying that because of me wanting to become a Marine and the fact that I have to omit some negligible facts that would not affect me in any type of combat situation whatsoever makes me a liar. I did not mean offense to anyone. I have the utmost respect for everyone serving. I'm not fishing for some kind of comfort either. I know that this situation is in no way a bad representation of my character or moral compass. All I needed to know was if a simple wisdom tooth and molar extratction could lead to me getting caught due to the X ray. My recruiter, who is in the Infantry, says that as long as this will not affect me or my unit, that there is nothing to worry about. The whole thing is a waste of time to deal with. Seeing as I will hopefully be in the Infantry (only guarantee is Combat Arms), I'm taking his advice. Honestly, I think the risk of punishment is worth being a Marine.

[Lisa 23]

Yes, I may have misunderstood your post or something. To me, it looked like your saying that because of me wanting to become a Marine and the fact that I have to omit some negligible facts that would not affect me in any type of combat situation whatsoever makes me a liar. I did not mean offense to anyone. I have the utmost respect for everyone serving. I'm not fishing for some kind of comfort either. I know that this situation is in no way a bad representation of my character or moral compass. All I needed to know was if a simple wisdom tooth and molar extratction could lead to me getting caught due to the X ray. My recruiter, who is in the Infantry, says that as long as this will not affect me or my unit, that there is nothing to worry about. The whole thing is a waste of time to deal with. Seeing as I will hopefully be in the Infantry (only guarantee is Combat Arms), I'm taking his advice. Honestly, I think the risk of punishment is worth being a Marine.

DO NOT LIE..........YOU WILL GET CAUGHT!!!

[USNAviator]

Yes, I may have misunderstood your post or something. To me, it looked like your saying that because of me wanting to become a Marine and the fact that I have to omit some negligible facts that would not affect me in any type of combat situation whatsoever makes me a liar. I did not mean offense to anyone. I have the utmost respect for everyone serving. I'm not fishing for some kind of comfort either. I know that this situation is in no way a bad representation of my character or moral compass. All I needed to know was if a simple wisdom tooth and molar extratction could lead to me getting caught due to the X ray. My recruiter, who is in the Infantry, says that as long as this will not affect me or my unit, that there is nothing to worry about. The whole thing is a waste of time to deal with. Seeing as I will hopefully be in the Infantry (only guarantee is Combat Arms), I'm taking his advice. Honestly, I think the risk of punishment is worth being a Marine.

Fair enough ,you manned up. Just a misunderstanding, on YOUR part. Get use to it. Should you get to serve, you will internally question some orders you receive but that's as far as it goes, internally

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Why would you even WANT to lie about something....so very stupid like THAT??

That's an easy waiver I would think.

They will find it during the mouth X-ray.

The Commander's word is good enough for me.

[barronmyers]

I'm still in the works of figuring it all out. I just wanted some advice. Thanks Aviator and Leprechaun.

[Lisa 23]

All I needed to know was if a simple wisdom tooth and molar extratction could lead to me getting caught due to the X ray.

Dental at MCRD will find that you have a wisdom tooth/teeth missing.
Look......man up, and don't lie. I had all 4 of my wisdom teeth removed when I was 17, and I went in the Marine Corps when I was 22...1988, and I didn't require any waivers. Maybe that's changed over the years, but lying about it just isn't worth it.
Just so you know, some recruits get their wisdom teeth removed while in boot camp. My nephew did, and he went through boot camp 2 years ago. He was on bed rest the day he had them removed, light duty the next day, and then back to training the following day.

Geeesh....what's so hard about telling the truth on having a wisdom tooth removed.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

No earthly idea. But I'm seeing far, far, too much of this thing lately. I've updated the sticky dealing with waivers, added a tat section, and now, alas,...a section on lying to MEPS.

Closing this one down, it's run it's course.