Disqualified for scarification on wrist

[MarineInMaking]

Hey, I don't really know how forums work so I apologize in advanced if i'm breaking any rules or if this is in the wrong category.

Long story short i have been disqualified from enlistment for a ridiculous reason. I have a design on my wrist that is from scarification. It's not a tattoo because there is no ink but it was done by a tattoo gun with no ink. This disqualified me because they said it was a tattoo. You can barely see it and they wouldn't have even noticed it if i wouldn't have pointed it out.

I have pictures of it here
http://omegaxea.deviantart.com/

If anybody can tell me if there is ANYTHING i can do please reply. I'm desperate too get into the marines and this is the ONLY thing holding me back. I scored 82nd percentile on the practice ASVAB and have zero health issues. If anybody can give me some information it will be GREATLY appreciated

[Zulu 36]

Hey, I don't really know how forums work so I apologize in advanced if i'm breaking any rules or if this is in the wrong category.

Long story short i have been disqualified from enlistment for a ridiculous reason. I have a design on my wrist that is from scarification. It's not a tattoo because there is no ink but it was done by a tattoo gun with no ink. This disqualified me because they said it was a tattoo. You can barely see it and they wouldn't have even noticed it if i wouldn't have pointed it out.

I have pictures of it here
http://omegaxea.deviantart.com/

If anybody can tell me if there is ANYTHING i can do please reply. I'm desperate too get into the marines and this is the ONLY thing holding me back. I scored 82nd percentile on the practice ASVAB and have zero health issues. If anybody can give me some information it will be GREATLY appreciated


Two things: #1 - You need to complete your profile. #2 - this belongs in the Ask A Marine thread in Poolee Hall.

[MarineInMaking]

ok sorry i just made this, i've never done forums before.

[USNAviator]

hmmmmm

Odd but true Dave.

BTW my daughter use to post some of her art work on Deviantart. First time I saw the link, I thought it said deviant tart, nearly hit the roof

[Zulu 36]

That's a tattoo in a no-no place as far as the Marine Corps is concerned. Did you show them this thing at MEPS, or the recruiters? Because at MEPS they would probably see it during the physical and the recruiters would be mad at you for not telling them.

What is the design anyway? The photos are too out-of-focus.

You can ask the recruiters if they will ask for a waiver, but they may not bother. The Corps is full and will be downsizing soon. If the recruiters are making mission on kids without any non-regulation tats, they probably won't bother trying for a tat waiver. Or, they know their boss up the line will deny it anyway. So they figure why bother and tick off the boss?

Happy you got it now?

[MarineInMaking]

well i apologize if it seems strange too you, it just seems a little strange too me that a perfectly healthy and bright young man would be disqualified for such a small thing. The whole reason behind the tattoo rule is so that the corps. looks more professional (or so I've been told) which in this case, it's completely invisible too the naked eye unless pointed out and looked at closely under good lighting.

I'm looking for information, not judgment or your opinions.

[MarineInMaking]

That's a tattoo in a no-no place as far as the Marine Corps is concerned. Did you show them this thing at MEPS, or the recruiters? Because at MEPS they would probably see it during the physical and the recruiters would be mad at you for not telling them.

What is the design anyway? The photos are too out-of-focus.

You can ask the recruiters if they will ask for a waiver, but they may not bother. The Corps is full and will be downsizing soon. If the recruiters are making mission on kids without any non-regulation tats, they probably won't bother trying for a tat waiver. Or, they know their boss up the line will deny it anyway. So they figure why bother and tick off the boss?

Happy you got it now?

that's as in focus as the camera could get the design, it's extremely difficult too see as it healed up mostly, it's been there since i was 16. The recruiter tried too get a waiver with the reasoning that it could be considered a "removed tattoo" but it was denied
and it's just a tribal design with a line wrapping around the underside of my wrist

[USNAviator]

No, I mean, the "disqualification for a ridiculous reason" part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarification

As well as the idea that scarification is on a completely different level than tattoos.

But he just posted this in the Ask A Marine section. I wonder why one out of a hundred reads the rules first. And they know they should, or else they would not state flat out that they apologize if this is in the wrong place, etc
So perhaps you have more patience than I do, Commander.
I am trying to understand the fascination with tattoos and body art, but I guess I'm just out of touch with modern times.
Thankfully.


Good research Dave as usual and yes I did notice a dup post in Ask a Marine. But I think the powers that be made a correct decission. To me a tattoo is a coloring process while scarification is just as suggested, a scaring process that perhaps is even more damaging.

Tattoos don't bother me, remember I'm Navy but I personally don't have one but to get one anywhere that cannot be covered, such as your face is idiotic. Doesn't Mike Tyson look normal to you??

[Zulu 36]

well i apologize if it seems strange too you, it just seems a little strange too me that a perfectly healthy and bright young man would be disqualified for such a small thing. The whole reason behind the tattoo rule is so that the corps. looks more professional (or so I've been told) which in this case, it's completely invisible too the naked eye unless pointed out and looked at closely under good lighting.

I'm looking for information, not judgment or your opinions.


Well, you're getting information, just not the information you want. If you really want to be a Marine, get used to people making judgements or rendering opinions about you. As many wanna-be's have been told here, being a Marine is a contact sport. If you can't hack criticism here, you darned sure won't hack it in the Corps.

[MarineInMaking]

Well, you're getting information, just not the information you want. If you really want to be a Marine, get used to people making judgements or rendering opinions about you. As many wanna-be's have been told here, being a Marine is a contact sport. If you can't hack criticism here, you darned sure won't hack it in the Corps.


I apologize if I seem a little sensitive, it's just my whole future depends on getting into the Marines. I assure that I'll take any good news along with the bad, however i think the thread was getting a little off topic when the debate of whether scarification is considered a tattoo or normal. That's not the information i'm looking for.

Again i'm new too forums and apologize for posting under the wrong category, I've read the rules now (didn't see them before)

I'm trying not too sound like an *******, but i'm an ******* by nature so apologies.

[USNAviator]

I posted this a few days ago


"“A Marine with tattoos doesn’t mean you’re a bad Marine,” said Sgt. Maj. William Wiseman, Headquarters and Headquarters Squadron sergeant major. “However, since tattoos are a visual reminder of your personal thoughts, feelings and ideas, a Marine with visible tattoos may not be the best candidate for a high-profile assignment. Since the Marine Corps has the most recognizable uniform in the world, this makes the Corps a high-profile assignment. … You joined the Corps; the Corps didn’t join you.”

[MarineInMaking]

I posted this a few days ago


"“A Marine with tattoos doesn’t mean you’re a bad Marine,” said Sgt. Maj. William Wiseman, Headquarters and Headquarters Squadron sergeant major. “However, since tattoos are a visual reminder of your personal thoughts, feelings and ideas, a Marine with visible tattoos may not be the best candidate for a high-profile assignment. Since the Marine Corps has the most recognizable uniform in the world, this makes the Corps a high-profile assignment. … You joined the Corps; the Corps didn’t join you.”





Thank you, you have been the only one on this thread that has given me actual information and thoughts concerning my question. It's not looking good, but I still am going too try too get in somehow.

if anybody can give me information like:
When did this policy start/why?
Were there cases similar too mine?
Have there been tattooed marines who have reached high ranks?


I've been researching all day and cannot for the life of me come up with anything.

[USNAviator]

"Long story short i have been disqualified from enlistment for a ridiculous reason. I have a design on my wrist that is from scarification. It's not a tattoo because there is no ink but it was done by a tattoo gun with no ink. This disqualified me because they said it was a tattoo. You can barely see it and they wouldn't have even noticed it if i wouldn't have pointed it out."

We don't make policy here, most of us served for a few years to over 30. We all followed orders, some we did not like but we obeyed.

I'm sorry you think the "rules" are ridiculous but you've been disqualified. End of story, end of discussion. You need to realize that you're not the first and won't be the last and I would suggest if you want to serve your country, try another branch. After all, it's about serving that's most important isn't it?

Good luck to you.

[MarineInMaking]

I would also like too add that I've been preparing for the marines for the last 4 years. I recently got my diploma and have not gone to MEPS yet, just showed the recruiter my wrist and he called somebody too ask if they can get a waiver for it. They said no because it's a tattoo, he then asked if it would be considered a removed tattoo because there is no ink in it. and he said no, it's still a tattoo because it's visible, even though removed tattoos are far more visible than what i have

[MarineInMaking]

"Long story short i have been disqualified from enlistment for a ridiculous reason. I have a design on my wrist that is from scarification. It's not a tattoo because there is no ink but it was done by a tattoo gun with no ink. This disqualified me because they said it was a tattoo. You can barely see it and they wouldn't have even noticed it if i wouldn't have pointed it out."

We don't make policy here, most of us served for a few years to over 30. We all followed orders, some we did not like but we obeyed.

I'm sorry you think the "rules" are ridiculous but you've been disqualified. End of story, end of discussion. You need to realize that you're not the first and won't be the last and I would suggest if you want to serve your country, try another branch. After all, it's about serving that's most important isn't it?

Good luck to you.


i have considered Navy, but if anything will get me into the Marines then i will find it out. I'm not giving up on this so easily, which seems too be the popular answer

and the rule seems ridiculous to me. yes, but that is my opinion. I'm sure there's very good reason behind the rule, but I will find a way past it if there is one.

[MarineInMaking]

again i apologize if i seem disrespectful. That is not my intent. I just need this information and thought the pleasantries would be better left unsaid

[MarineInMaking]

No one ever intends to be disrespectful, it just happens.

valid point

[MarineInMaking]

i understand you are all my superiors. You have all made it, and i haven't. which is why i've come too this site for guidance. the past 4 years i've been preparing for the marines, too straighten up my life, and because of something i did when i was 16 is preventing me from that. I NEED too find a way around this and your wisdom and experience may hold the answer.

or maybe i'm just doing this for no reason at all, either way i'm not just going too give up 8 hours after hearing the bad news.

[MarineInMaking]

Thanks, i'm just upset because my whole life i've wanted this, and now i'm so close just too have the door slammed in my face. I'm going too need the most information possible if i'm going too find...

[Lisa 23]

well i apologize if it seems strange too you, it just seems a little strange too me that a perfectly healthy and bright young man would be disqualified for such a small thing. The whole reason behind the tattoo rule is so that the corps. looks more professional (or so I've been told) which in this case, it's completely invisible too the naked eye unless pointed out and looked at closely under good lighting.

I'm looking for information, not judgment or your opinions.

That's Corps......not corps.

[MarineInMaking]

That's Corps......not corps.

sorry, still learning

[VictoryttBold]

sorry, still learning

:flag:Don't sweat it there are Marines on here that misspell it.

[Old Marine]

"It was done with a tatoo gun with no ink" DUHHHHHHHHHH.

Here's your answer again. The Recruiter was given a NO per MEPS, the Recruier relayed the message he got from MEPS to you and the answer is NO. Go to another branch of the military if that is your niche.

[Covey_Rider]

You have to understand that the Marine Corps does not need you to enlist. If you are being disqualified, then that is the end. Maybe the order will change sometime in the future, however right now you're SOL. The Marine Corps says no and there is nobody here that is going to help you fight it. As it turns out, the Marine Corps has been around quite awhile and has established an effective system for recruiting Marines. The qualifications are there for a reason and if you don't meet them, then you don't meet them. Cause and effect plays out in every aspect of everyones life. You thought it was cool to have your little "tattoo" and now you are seeing the effects of it when you're all grown up.

[VictoryttBold]

:flag:Must be nice to have never done anything wrong in your life.

[Covey_Rider]

:flag:Must be nice to have never done anything wrong in your life.

I really hope this isn't an attempt to discredit my post. If so, let me know.

[VictoryttBold]

I really hope this isn't an attempt to discredit my post. If so, let me know.

:flag:Want to take it outside ? Oh yea right this is the internet !

[joseywales]

How can a post be discredited by a comment?

[MarineInMaking]

You have to understand that the Marine Corps does not need you to enlist. If you are being disqualified, then that is the end. Maybe the order will change sometime in the future, however right now you're SOL. The Marine Corps says no and there is nobody here that is going to help you fight it. As it turns out, the Marine Corps has been around quite awhile and has established an effective system for recruiting Marines. The qualifications are there for a reason and if you don't meet them, then you don't meet them. Cause and effect plays out in every aspect of everyones life. You thought it was cool to have your little "tattoo" and now you are seeing the effects of it when you're all grown up.


yes i was a teenager once, and still am learning life. I wasn't born with a silver stick up my ass. I had too learn my lessons myself and through my own mistakes, and it's made me into the man i am today. I wouldn't change one second of what i did, and if i could go back in time and stop myself from getting this on my wrist, i wouldn't. It's a part of my personal history that i will cherish the rest of my life. It is of no concern to me whether or not you approve.

[DanM]

i have considered Navy, but if anything will get me into the Marines then i will find it out. I'm not giving up on this so easily, which seems too be the popular answer

and the rule seems ridiculous to me. yes, but that is my opinion. I'm sure there's very good reason behind the rule, but I will find a way past it if there is one.

If you are man enough and intelligent there is a way to be with the Marine Corps by joining the Navy. Think about it........................

[joseywales]

Man enough? Intelligent? Like it is more demanding than the Corps. Oh boy!

[Old Marine]

:flag:Must be nice to have never done anything wrong in your life.

CoveyRider: This is the kind of stuff Dave has started threads about. When you see this kind of post, you know what Dave is talking about. He does admit that the original poster was wrong for getting the tat.

[Old Marine]

yes i was a teenager once, and still am learning life. I wasn't born with a silver stick up my ass. I had too learn my lessons myself and through my own mistakes, and it's made me into the man i am today. I wouldn't change one second of what i did, and if i could go back in time and stop myself from getting this on my wrist, i wouldn't. It's a part of my personal history that i will cherish the rest of my life. It is of no concern to me whether or not you approve.

Go back and read post #30 and this time let it sink in.

[Sgt Jim]

Go in the Navy and become a Medic,and if your good enough they might put you with the Marines,Marines take care of their Doc,s and Doc,s take care of their Marines,nuff said.

[m14ed]

ANY action you do, may or may not result in Unintended Consequences.

We're not putting you down for what you did,. you asked questions. Marines answered questions.
Crap happens in life.
None of My Marine friends in here that i know of work at MEPS. It was a Military Doctor most likely that disqualified you from current standards they're picking with for guidelines.

Your tribal tat at least didnt cause the end of your life grasshopper. It's mearly causing you a longer journey if you intend on reaching your desired destination.

Try perhaps a different recruiting zone/district that uses a new set of doctors.

Believe it or not, we Marines do actually respect SOME parts of Military Service other than the U.S. Marine Corps. First that comes to my mind is the US Navy FMF Corpsmen. I'll spend my last dollar buying a "Doc" a beer, and say thanks for Making House Calls.

With the economy as bad as it is, and the Marinecorps reducing in manpower. More people are trying to stay in or get in. The End result as you are finding now is just that the Standards have been raised.

Your options are only limited by your immagination and your budget...Got the Jingwha for a plastic surgeon?? can it be modified and termed Unintentional scar tissue from an accident??

Tattoo needle and no ink gave you your "tribe tat" you were after when you got it.

good luck grasshopper...

[MarineInMaking]

Go back and read post #30 and this time let it sink in.

i don't understand how that's related, and say what you will i already have a plan in motion too remedy this situation. Whether or not it will work is another story, but at least i'm not just laying down and taking it like you're suggesting.

If you have nothing constructive to say i'll just stop reading your posts

[06yz125]

Gunny..with all due respect..

And..as a Marine..this young man may have what it takes.

Didn't Chesty Puller once say "take me to the brig..i want to
see the real Marines"

IF..he can finish boot..he may be able to kick some ass.

Not all good Marines were recruited based on their resume.

[USNAviator]

i don't understand how that's related, and say what you will i already have a plan in motion too remedy this situation. Whether or not it will work is another story, but at least i'm not just laying down and taking it like you're suggesting.

If you have nothing constructive to say i'll just stop reading your posts


Wow this thing had more legs than I thought

I have no idea why you wanted to join the Corps, what did you wish to do if you did get in?

BTW not a good idea to talk to a Gunny like that

[Old Marine]

The Army is awaiting you. If you are as smart as you claim to be you will not tell them the Marine Corps refused to have you in their ranks.

[Lisa 23]

If you have nothing constructive to say i'll just stop reading your posts

Lookie here young man.....you came here on a Marine Corps site, and in the wrong forum I might add, looking for advice and it was given. You don't like it, oh well.....to bad.

[Old Marine]

Wow this thing had more legs than I thought

I have no idea why you wanted to join the Corps, what did you wish to do if you did get in?

BTW not a good idea to talk to a Gunny like that

Come on Commander, I'm sure you can figure it out without his wise azz answer.

Without a doubt he wants to be Roger Recon all the way.

[MarineInMaking]

ANY action you do, may or may not result in Unintended Consequences.

We're not putting you down for what you did,. you asked questions. Marines answered questions.
Crap happens in life.
None of My Marine friends in here that i know of work at MEPS. It was a Military Doctor most likely that disqualified you from current standards they're picking with for guidelines.

Your tribal tat at least didnt cause the end of your life grasshopper. It's mearly causing you a longer journey if you intend on reaching your desired destination.

Try perhaps a different recruiting zone/district that uses a new set of doctors.

Believe it or not, we Marines do actually respect SOME parts of Military Service other than the U.S. Marine Corps. First that comes to my mind is the US Navy FMF Corpsmen. I'll spend my last dollar buying a "Doc" a beer, and say thanks for Making House Calls.

With the economy as bad as it is, and the Marinecorps reducing in manpower. More people are trying to stay in or get in. The End result as you are finding now is just that the Standards have been raised.

Your options are only limited by your immagination and your budget...Got the Jingwha for a plastic surgeon?? can it be modified and termed Unintentional scar tissue from an accident??

Tattoo needle and no ink gave you your "tribe tat" you were after when you got it.

good luck grasshopper...



yes, i have thought of just burning it or scratching the **** out of it too make it look like an unintentional scar, however, not only does that show various psychological issues, but is still considered fraudulent enlistment, which isn't my goal.

[USNAviator]

Come on Commander, I'm sure you can figure it out without his wise azz answer.

Without a doubt he wants to be Roger Recon all the way.

Aye Gunny, you'll have to excuse me, too many high g turns, too little blood left on top of the stacking swivel.....:banana:

[Old Marine]

Gunny..with all due respect..

And..as a Marine..this young man may have what it takes.

Didn't Chesty Puller once say "take me to the brig..i want to
see the real Marines"

IF..he can finish boot..he may be able to kick some ass.

Not all good Marines were recruited based on their resume.

No disrespect to Chesty, but sometimes I wonder what he was drinking when he made a statement such as that. I personnaly do not see where a Marine Brig Rat is any more a Marine than one who is not a Brig Rat.

[MarineInMaking]

Wow this thing had more legs than I thought

I have no idea why you wanted to join the Corps, what did you wish to do if you did get in?

BTW not a good idea to talk to a Gunny like that

the job i had in mind was 0231 Intel specialist and get 0211 Counterintelligence and HUMINT within a few years

the other job i was recommended was Cryptic linguist or something like that, i have less knowledge of that job but it was recommended and i plan on reading up on it.

the reason i want intel is because i have a job waiting for me at home if i did. I chose the Corps. because it was the most challenging and offered the most for me. I chose military because i, again, thought it would benefit me better as a person.

[Rocky C]

LOOOOOOOOOONG Thread.

Jason, time to lock this one up Brother.

[USNAviator]

I didn't t realize there was another thread going in Ask a Marine

Josh I'll give you credit you may be a disrespectful wise$ass but you sound sincere But as I pointed out to you earlier, the decision has been made. The Corps is downsizing by about 50K.They can be very selective in whom they allow to enlist. But as this post says and I wanted to give the postie credit

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Corps policy states that any tattoos, branding or body markings within two inches of the natural bend of the wrist are prohibited. Until that policy changes (and I don't see it changing) you are ineligible for service in the Marine Corps. That is the cold, hard truth."


I sincerely hope you try another branch. You can do intel work in the Navy. I can send you some info re. Navy MOS if you want via a PM or you can visit a Navy recruiter.

[06yz125]

No disrespect to Chesty, but sometimes I wonder what he was drinking when he made a statement such as that. I personnaly do not see where a Marine Brig Rat is any more a Marine than one who is not a Brig Rat.


Could be..he was trying to include Marines who were typically considered
outcasts. These types, will sometimes, fight to the death for their unit or
the mission. Not that the perfectly squared away Marine wouldn't fight to
the death but..his life may mean more to him and his family than the brig rat who has nothing to lose.

Thanks for the thoughts Gunny. This young man is not a Marine and could
use an attitude adjustment.

Hope he gets it. :evilgrin:

[Lisa 23]

the job i had in mind was 0231 Intel specialist and get 0211 Counterintelligence and HUMINT within a few years

the other job i was recommended was Cryptic linguist or something like that, i have less knowledge of that job but it was recommended and i plan on reading up on it.

the reason i want intel is because i have a job waiting for me at home if i did. I chose the Corps. because it was the most challenging and offered the most for me. I chose military because i, again, thought it would benefit me better as a person.

Corps does not have a period at the end unless you have it at the end of a sentence.

And I agree Rocky...this has gone on way to loooooooooooong.

[SGT7477]

The army will take a smartazz like that anytime, get fitted for your Christmas tree, Semper Fidelis.

[MarineInMaking]

i don't see how i was being a smart ass, i was asking for information and was responding to posts accordingly. I apologize if i came across as disrespectful. I will admit my manners aren't exactly "high society"

[MarineInMaking]

I didn't t realize there was another thread going in Ask a Marine

Josh I'll give you credit you may be a disrespectful wise$ass but you sound sincere But as I pointed out to you earlier, the decision has been made. The Corps is downsizing by about 50K.They can be very selective in whom they allow to enlist. But as this post says and I wanted to give the postie credit

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Corps policy states that any tattoos, branding or body markings within two inches of the natural bend of the wrist are prohibited. Until that policy changes (and I don't see it changing) you are ineligible for service in the Marine Corps. That is the cold, hard truth."


I sincerely hope you try another branch. You can do intel work in the Navy. I can send you some info re. Navy MOS if you want via a PM or you can visit a Navy recruiter.


Thank you, and again I have never been one for manners, one of the many things i hope too learn while in service.

"Marines aren't born, they are made" I don't remember where i heard that, but it stuck with me

If marines won't take me, the navy will, they don't have a policy on tattoos (as far as i know).

I would also like too formally apologize if i've offended anybody with my rudeness or "wise@ss" responses. I will be the first too admit that i DO need an attitude adjustment, the i thought the Corps would provide me with that service.

That being said I'm still going too notify my Congressman of this situation I am in, and still plan on going Marines, no matter what i have too do. Navy is my plan B, but i'm going too make damn sure that plan A is completely out of the question before i even consider changing plans

Again, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone or disrespected anyone.

[USNAviator]

"If marines won't take me, the navy will, they don't have a policy on tattoos (as far as i know)."

Sorry Josh but yes they do


WASHINGTON (NNS) -- Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. John C. Harvey Jr. released a message March 21 clarifying the Navy’s regulations regarding tattoos, body art and/or mutilations and dental ornamentation.

The message underscores Navy policy that already prohibits any body art deemed prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale or of a nature to bring discredit upon the naval service.

“This is directly tied to the public appearance of our personnel," said Rear Adm. Gerry Talbot, director, Military Personnel Plans and Policy Division, Chief of Naval Personnel. "How we look in uniform, how we represent our Navy and our nation should be something we consider on a daily basis, on duty or off.”

Navy policy stipulates that any tattoo/body art/brand that is obscene, sexually explicit or advocates discrimination of any sort is prohibited. Administrative separation could result for personnel disregarding this guidance.

Four criteria have been issued to commanders to assist them in determining whether a tattoo, body art or brand should be permitted: content, location, size and whether the item is required for cosmetic purposes.

“It is important to clarify our policy to ensure everyone understands the criteria,” said Talbot.

Location is as important as the content of the tattoo. Tattoos/body art/brands cannot be visible through the white uniform and cannot be on the head, face, neck or scalp regions. Items on the lower arm can be no larger than the wearer’s hand, fingers closed.

The message also points out Navy policy restricting intentional mutilation of any sort. This is defined as radical alteration of the body, head, face or skin for the purpose of an abnormal appearance.

Dental ornamentation - the use of gold, platinum or other veneers or caps for decorative purposes is also prohibited.

Waivers for pre-existing conditions will be considered on a case-by-case basis by local commanders. They have discretion to determine whether removal is required, but items may be waived if they are not prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale.

[MarineInMaking]

"If marines won't take me, the navy will, they don't have a policy on tattoos (as far as i know)."

Sorry Josh but yes they do


WASHINGTON (NNS) -- Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. John C. Harvey Jr. released a message March 21 clarifying the Navy’s regulations regarding tattoos, body art and/or mutilations and dental ornamentation.

The message underscores Navy policy that already prohibits any body art deemed prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale or of a nature to bring discredit upon the naval service.

“This is directly tied to the public appearance of our personnel," said Rear Adm. Gerry Talbot, director, Military Personnel Plans and Policy Division, Chief of Naval Personnel. "How we look in uniform, how we represent our Navy and our nation should be something we consider on a daily basis, on duty or off.”

Navy policy stipulates that any tattoo/body art/brand that is obscene, sexually explicit or advocates discrimination of any sort is prohibited. Administrative separation could result for personnel disregarding this guidance.

Four criteria have been issued to commanders to assist them in determining whether a tattoo, body art or brand should be permitted: content, location, size and whether the item is required for cosmetic purposes.

“It is important to clarify our policy to ensure everyone understands the criteria,” said Talbot.

Location is as important as the content of the tattoo. Tattoos/body art/brands cannot be visible through the white uniform and cannot be on the head, face, neck or scalp regions. Items on the lower arm can be no larger than the wearer’s hand, fingers closed.

The message also points out Navy policy restricting intentional mutilation of any sort. This is defined as radical alteration of the body, head, face or skin for the purpose of an abnormal appearance.

Dental ornamentation - the use of gold, platinum or other veneers or caps for decorative purposes is also prohibited.

Waivers for pre-existing conditions will be considered on a case-by-case basis by local commanders. They have discretion to determine whether removal is required, but items may be waived if they are not prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale.


I was not aware of this, thank you for the information.
At least this will help my argument that it is barely visible “This is directly tied to the public appearance of our personnel,"
and
"How we look in uniform, how we represent our Navy and our nation should be something we consider on a daily basis, on duty or off.”

what is keeping me from entry isn't visible too the naked eye unless closely examined, although it is larger than my fist, and it is past my natural fold on the top side. Well, it's still a long shot but whatever information i can use, is appreciated greatly.

[USNAviator]

Well I'm 23 minutes past Dog Watch. Time a cold one.

Fair Winds Marines :thumbup:

[SGT7477]

The army will take a smartazz like that anytime, get fitted for your Christmas tree, Semper Fidelis.
You can talk all the trash you want but if you ever make it To Our Famous Yellow Footprints it all changes,lol, Semper Fidelis.:D

[USNAviator]

I was not aware of this, thank you for the information.
At least this will help my argument that it is barely visible “This is directly tied to the public appearance of our personnel,"
and
"How we look in uniform, how we represent our Navy and our nation should be something we consider on a daily basis, on duty or off.”

what is keeping me from entry isn't visible too the naked eye unless closely examined, although it is larger than my fist, and it is past my natural fold on the top side. Well, it's still a long shot but whatever information i can use, is appreciated greatly.

Josh you do realize this is Navy and not Marine policy don't you Big difference!!! It's not a Chinese restaurant, you can't take from column A and then from column B. All branches are different.

[VictoryttBold]

:flag:I'll take a #5 on the lunch menu please.

[MarineInMaking]

Josh you do realize this is Navy and not Marine policy don't you Big difference!!! It's not a Chinese restaurant, you can't take from column A and then from column B. All branches are different.


I apologize, i did not communicate that clearly.
I meant if they Navy had any issue with it. Sorry, I'm doing multiple things at once. I'm currently reading and re-reading the Marine's policy on this website http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/a/tattoo.htm

[MarineInMaking]

"Half-sleeve or quarter sleeve tattoos that are visible to the eye when wearing standard PT Gear (T-shirt and shorts). A half-sleeve or quarter-sleeve tattoo is defined as a very large tattoo or collection of smaller tattoos that covers, or almost covers the entire portion of an army or leg above or below the elbow or knee."

this one has caught my eye a number of times because of the statement "that are visible to the eye"

is this taken directly from the Marine's rule books or is this paraphrased in any way. A suggestion too a site with the most reliable information would be greatly appreciated.

"Marines who currently have a sleeve tattoo(s) prior to 1 April 2007, will be grandfathered. The Marine's command will insert a photograph(s) of the respective (tattoo(s) along with a measurement(s) of the size in inches and of the location(s) on the body and the date the tattoo(s) was documented, on the Page 11 of the Marine's SRB. The Marine will sign the Page 11 entry verifying the information is correct."

this one as well. does it mean already enlisted marines? or those looking too enlist. I got mine on my 16th birthday (February 19th 2007)
although i did not keep any documentation, but i have witnesses

[Zulu 36]

"Half-sleeve or quarter sleeve tattoos that are visible to the eye when wearing standard PT Gear (T-shirt and shorts). A half-sleeve or quarter-sleeve tattoo is defined as a very large tattoo or collection of smaller tattoos that covers, or almost covers the entire portion of an army or leg above or below the elbow or knee."

this one has caught my eye a number of times because of the statement "that are visible to the eye"

is this taken directly from the Marine's rule books or is this paraphrased in any way. A suggestion too a site with the most reliable information would be greatly appreciated.

"Marines who currently have a sleeve tattoo(s) prior to 1 April 2007, will be grandfathered. The Marine's command will insert a photograph(s) of the respective (tattoo(s) along with a measurement(s) of the size in inches and of the location(s) on the body and the date the tattoo(s) was documented, on the Page 11 of the Marine's SRB. The Marine will sign the Page 11 entry verifying the information is correct."

this one as well. does it mean already enlisted marines? or those looking too enlist. I got mine on my 16th birthday (February 19th 2007)
although i did not keep any documentation, but i have witnesses

You're grasping at straws here. When YOU got it means nothing. That part of the policy applied to people who were ALREADY Marines with tats when the new policy went into effect. They were grandfathered, you may well be screwed.

[MarineInMaking]

You're grasping at straws here. When YOU got it means nothing. That part of the policy applied to people who were ALREADY Marines with tats when the new policy went into effect. They were grandfathered, you may well be screwed.


Thank you, that's what i thought, i guess i am just interpreting what i want to be true. This is looking worse the more i look into it.

[EGTSpec]

Okay, I took the time to read this loooong winded thread. I think I can ad a new spin on this. See how many more pages it will go. LOL

If a person is currently enlisted in say the Navy, and decides to do a lat. move to the Marines, don't the Corps show more latitude when it comes to tattoos? Seems to me they did back in my day.

And if so, he could join the Navy, and at the end of his enlistment move to the Marines.

[MarineInMaking]

Josh, at least you talked it out, found out more info, discussed it, and did not just figure, well, it's not worth even talking about. So some good came out of it.

my thoughts exactly, and i would like too thank everybody again for the useful information.

[MarineInMaking]

Okay, I took the time to read this loooong winded thread. I think I can ad a new spin on this. See how many more pages it will go. LOL

If a person is currently enlisted in say the Navy, and decides to do a lat. move to the Marines, don't the Corps show more latitude when it comes to tattoos? Seems to me they did back in my day.

And if so, he could join the Navy, and at the end of his enlistment move to the Marines.

I was aware of this, but i do not understand the rules of switching branches. I'm going too talk too my recruiter tomorrow morning, maybe he will shed some light on the subject.
Thank you for taking your time too read this, this idea may also prove extremely useful.

[MarineInMaking]

Well i'm going to bed for now, will check this post again in a few days. Will be out of state for the next few days.

I want too thank everyone again for the information you've provided. It's greatly appreciated.

[EGTSpec]

I was aware of this, but i do not understand the rules of switching branches. I'm going too talk too my recruiter tomorrow morning, maybe he will shed some light on the subject.
Thank you for taking your time too read this, this idea may also prove extremely useful.In my platoon in Boot we had a guy who had one stint each in the Army, Air force, and Navy, and wanted to give the Marines a try. Don't know what his rank was in the other services, but he graduated a PFC which back then was usually reserved for the platoon guide. Was weird being 17 in boot and having a guy in his late 20s going through boot with you.

[Burke7051]

Corps does not have a period at the end unless you have it at the end of a sentence.

And I agree Rocky...this has gone on way to loooooooooooong.

SERIOUSLY??? Over a period at the end of Corps? I mean come on, isn't that a little frigging overboard now. Leave it to Lisa (and others I might add) to blow down the hopes and dreams of some of these Poolees and wannabes sometimes. I think its ridiculous how some of my fellow Marines on this site make far too big of an issue over something as ridiculous as a period on the end of the word Corps or the Capitalization of a certain word. I mean come on everyone makes mistakes, that's why they put erasers on pencils.

Is it really necessary to waste time posting the forum rules in some of these threads all the time or correcting people over spelling errors? I mean the Poolees are old enough to read the forum rules themselves before they post and old enough to use a spell checker on their own. I don't think we need to be wasting our time correcting them on something as pathetic as a period on the end of a word.

These Poolees and wannabes are the ones who are one day going to be defending this great Nation and maybe even god forbid coming home in a flag-draped casket because they paid the ultimate sacrifice in the defense of their country. Or they may eventually one day be coming home from one of the war zones mentally and / or physically scarred and traumatized. We should be focusing on how best to prepare them to be Marines, and not worrying about a period on the end of a word. Let's not forget that WE WERE ALL LIKE THEM BEFORE WE WERE MARINES. Yes, even Marines make mistakes, so let's face that one now. I just think its ridiculous how some of us make a big@ss issue over stupid things like periods and spelling.

We are here to help them, not shoot them down over something as pointless as a lousy frigging grammatical error. Some Marines seem to forget that we all had to earn the title, and we once did not "rate" either at one point in our lives. I mean for god's sake it does get old sometimes seeing my fellow Marines constantly get so touchy over something that pointless, life is way to short.

Maybe this should be a separate thread, I don't know. Anyway, that's my 2 fvcking cents on this subject. I've pulled an extremely long and difficult fvcking shift today at the station and I'm tired as Hell and had some very stressful calls and I'm not in a good mood. That's all I've got to say on this one. Now I'm hitting the rack and going to sleep. :mad:

[silverdollar]

Why don`t you just get a tatoo of a wrist over it?:confused:

[EGTSpec]

Why don`t you just get a tatoo of a wrist over it?:confused:ROFLMAO!!! OH!! Now That's funny!!! :banana:

[MontanaDevilDog]

SERIOUSLY??? Over a period at the end of Corps? I mean come on, isn't that a little frigging overboard now. Leave it to Lisa (and others I might add) to blow down the hopes and dreams of some of these Poolees and wannabes sometimes. I think its ridiculous how some of my fellow Marines on this site make far too big of an issue over something as ridiculous as a period on the end of the word Corps or the Capitalization of a certain word. I mean come on everyone makes mistakes, that's why they put erasers on pencils.

Is it really necessary to waste time posting the forum rules in some of these threads all the time or correcting people over spelling errors? I mean the Poolees are old enough to read the forum rules themselves before they post and old enough to use a spell checker on their own. I don't think we need to be wasting our time correcting them on something as pathetic as a period on the end of a word.

These Poolees and wannabes are the ones who are one day going to be defending this great Nation and maybe even god forbid coming home in a flag-draped casket because they paid the ultimate sacrifice in the defense of their country. Or they may eventually one day be coming home from one of the war zones mentally and / or physically scarred and traumatized. We should be focusing on how best to prepare them to be Marines, and not worrying about a period on the end of a word. Let's not forget that WE WERE ALL LIKE THEM BEFORE WE WERE MARINES. Yes, even Marines make mistakes, so let's face that one now. I just think its ridiculous how some of us make a big@ss issue over stupid things like periods and spelling.

We are here to help them, not shoot them down over something as pointless as a lousy frigging grammatical error. Some Marines seem to forget that we all had to earn the title, and we once did not "rate" either at one point in our lives. I mean for god's sake it does get old sometimes seeing my fellow Marines constantly get so touchy over something that pointless, life is way to short.

Maybe this should be a separate thread, I don't know. Anyway, that's my 2 fvcking cents on this subject. I've pulled an extremely long and difficult fvcking shift today at the station and I'm tired as Hell and had some very stressful calls and I'm not in a good mood. That's all I've got to say on this one. Now I'm hitting the rack and going to sleep. :mad:

:thumbup::thumbup:

Agreed CPL.... Glad someone finally said it

[MarineInMaking]

Why don`t you just get a tatoo of a wrist over it?:confused:

lol, that made my day

[MarineInMaking]

Just got back from Illinois, didn't get too take the ASVAB or go too MEPS, they were too full. Too many people enlisting right now in every branch i guess.

Anyway, after talking too my recruiter i found out i have not been disqualified just yet, that was a mis-communication. They are still debating the issue for me and i owe my recruiter my life for pushing for me so hard. Odds are they are still going too disqualify me, but there is still hope.

He is currently trying too figure out if a waiver is possible, and if not if there is anything i can do too make the scar less noticeable. (then we joked around about using Neosporin and Coco butter)

I once again want too thank everybody for the information given, and want too say if the Marines will give me a chance, I will not disappoint.


Alright then... on too sit-ups i go

[Mongoose]

Good luck to you.
Problem he has is he was born 40 years to late. When I joined in 67. I had a tatoo on the back of both hands, on both forearms, and both shoulders. Of course we only made about 70 dollars a month. And the Corps had to get as many Marines as they could for Nam. I am not knocking M.C. policy. But we were told many times we wernt there for a beauty contest. Marines are supposed to be professional killers. Not poster men for Chip and Dales. In a fire fight I wouldnt give a damn how many tatoos the Marine in the hole with me had. I didnt represent the Corps with my good looks. I represented the Corps with my M-60. And it didnt care about my tatoos. Neither did the gooks.

[VictoryttBold]

Problem he has is he was born 40 years to late. When I joined in 67. I had a tatoo on the back of both hands, on both forearms, and both shoulders. Of course we only made about 70 dollars a month. And the Corps had to get as many Marines as they could for Nam. I am not knocking M.C. policy. But we were told many times we wernt there for a beauty contest. Marines are supposed to be professional killers. Not poster men for Chip and Dales. In a fire fight I wouldnt give a damn how many tatoos the Marine in the hole with me had. I didnt represent the Corps with my good looks. I represented the Corps with my M-60. And it didnt care about my tatoos. Neither did the gooks.

:flag:Exactly ZZ !

[Tennessee Top]

Sorry you had a bad day; hope you feel better after your sleep.

It's called attention to detail. Some people happen to put a lot of stock in it and others just think it's being touchy. Some people "let the little things go" and some don't. Whatever floats your boat.

Obviously, most of the poolees/wannabes are not old enough to read the forum rules or use a spellchecker or they wouldn't need to be corrected so often. You may not care if they know the proper way to capitalize Marine or Marine Corps but I do and whenever I can I will educate them (that's how senior Staff NCO's and career Marines operate but I wouldn't expect a corporal to understand that as they have not reached that level of leadership).

Have a better day tomorrow.

[SGT7477]

Sorry you had a bad day; hope you feel better after your sleep.

It's called attention to detail. Some people happen to put a lot of stock in it and others just think it's being touchy. Some people "let the little things go" and some don't. Whatever floats your boat.

Obviously, most of the poolees/wannabes are not old enough to read the forum rules or use a spellchecker or they wouldn't need to be corrected so often. You may not care if they know the proper way to capitalize Marine or Marine Corps but I do and whenever I can I will educate them (that's how senior Staff NCO's and career Marines operate but I wouldn't expect a corporal to understand that as they have not reached that level of leadership).

Have a better day tomorrow.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:, Semper Fidelis.

[radio relay]

Problem he has is he was born 40 years to late. When I joined in 67. I had a tatoo on the back of both hands, on both forearms, and both shoulders. Of course we only made about 70 dollars a month. And the Corps had to get as many Marines as they could for Nam. I am not knocking M.C. policy. But we were told many times we wernt there for a beauty contest. Marines are supposed to be professional killers. Not poster men for Chip and Dales. In a fire fight I wouldnt give a damn how many tatoos the Marine in the hole with me had. I didnt represent the Corps with my good looks. I represented the Corps with my M-60. And it didnt care about my tatoos. Neither did the gooks.Agreed ..

For sure! A lot of what the Corps used to be about has changed from what we knew.

God Bless you, Mongoose

[06yz125]

Good luck young man.

[tracs1833]

I agree in part with some of what you said.
We should realize that everyone makes errors such as in spelling, punctuation, choice of words, etc. However, sometimes it is not a mistake or error, but ignorance. How will a person learn if he is never corrected when he is in error? Granted, it should be done in a respectful way, but I think it should be done.
We should be respectful in dealing with poolees and future recruits. They are the future of our Corps. However, I do not advocate overlooking an arrogant 'wannabe' under any circumstances.
Life is indeed too short. But, is that reason enough to just start making compromises on matters that are correct.
As John Wayne said, "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid".
By the way, I was not like all of these guys that you are defending prior ro joining the Corps. As a matter of fact, I wasn't like most of them.

[hillbillyjar]

I apologize if I seem a little sensitive, it's just my whole future depends on getting into the Marines. I assure that I'll take any good news along with the bad, however i think the thread was getting a little off topic when the debate of whether scarification is considered a tattoo or normal. That's not the information i'm looking for.

Again i'm new too forums and apologize for posting under the wrong category, I've read the rules now (didn't see them before)

I'm trying not too sound like an *******, but i'm an ******* by nature so apologies.
Simple rule of thumb son; if your uniform does not cover it, it has no place in the United States Marine Corps.

Pick a Marine, any Marine, and you have picked EVERY Marine.

While we all have our individual personalities, we are all one. To those that don't know us, we all look the same, we all act the same. It's one of the basic strengths of the Corps.

Standing out among Marines is exceptional. Standing out AS a Marine is not acceptable.

My personal advice, heat up an iron, rub it all over that thing, claim it as a burn scar, and try again.

It may or may not work.

[tracs1833]

Good post, tracs..CPlBurke is usually a pretty helpful guy, to be honest with you. When he said he was having a bad day, I believe him, and I also believe his post was out of character for him, we all feel like posting those posts sometimes.
People drive us to it. LOL. More so lately than ever, it seems. Take a look in the Ask A Marine section. For every legit question, there are an equal number of BS questions and scenarios posted.
But, you made some good points. I chalk up Burke to just having a bad day, nothing more.
I believe that CplBurke was expressing his opinion, which is certainly his right. I agree with part of what he said, just not all of it. That is my opinion and my right. I don't doubt for a moment that he is a good guy, after all he is a Marine and he is a Cpl. And that is, coincidentally, two of my favorite accomplishments in my life.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

1: Opinions have ZERO place in this section RE: What another Marine posts. Making corrections is part of our job. You don't like it? Well, take it to PM's. Period.

2: This is the LAST time I want to see one Marine calling another Marine out in front of poolees. The next time it happens, I don't care WHO you are, you'll get a week in the box.

Closed for the good of the order, and moved to the PROPER section.