Administration Delays Change to Military's 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' Policy - Marine Corps Community for USMC Marine Veterans

Shaffer · 04-06-09, 08:37 AM

A change to the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gays in the military will be delayed despite promises by the Obama administration to overturn the rule, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.

"The president and I feel like we've got a lot on our plates right now and let's push that one down the road a little bit," Gates told "FOX News Sunday."

In January, President Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, was asked whether his boss would overturn "don't ask, don't tell.” Gibbs' reply -- videotaped for YouTube -- was unequivocal.

"You don't hear politicians give a one-word answer much. But it's 'Yes,'" Gibbs said.

But Gates now says the Pentagon will continue to enforce the existing policy, which bars service members from proclaiming their sexual orientation and commanding officers from asking about it. However, the policy states that if it becomes known that a service member is gay, he or she is to be removed from the military.

"It continues to be the law and any change in policy would require a change in the law," Gates said. "We will follow the law, whatever it is.

"That dialogue, though, has really not progressed very far at this point in the administration," he added.

BigAlHolmes165 · 04-06-09, 09:30 PM

Not no, but hell no.

I have been away for a few days and was on 6 different airlines.

Each had a faggot dude stewardess.

Sick bastards.

It made me wonder what, whichever of the 'A's' it was, accord or achped that did all the kissing of 'men', just what in the **** they were thinking.

Again, not no, but **** no!!!!

Alisium · 04-06-09, 11:30 PM

I think they should but, like women, never in the grunts.

I think that a gay person who's willing to serve as, say an admin clerk or Air Traffic Controller, is more of a man and an American than a lot of those punk kids or so called thugs out there who would never consider it.

Provided they can conduct themselves professionally (that includes not acting limp wristed) they should be allowed limited duty.

Petz · 04-07-09, 12:22 AM

a non-deploying status is a positive idea... many showers are stalls or on ship you have just a curtain....

if you want to be gay and serve then you do so by being the RBE... problem is they take up a deployable Marines spot.

TTX · 04-07-09, 01:03 AM

I just can't imagine of myself being a roomate or in a fox hole with a gay Marine.

commdog7 · 04-08-09, 03:43 AM

I noticed that 'no' came before 'yes' in that poll. Normally it is the other way around... some sort of hidden agenda there.

Anyways, my vote doesn't count. The only votes that count are the politicians' votes. Whether you like it or not, gays will be allowed in my beloved Corps- one day.

Captain Kirk · 04-08-09, 06:25 AM

NoNoNONo Never!

I had a fag arested when I was in Philly Hospital recovering from my wounds, in May 1969 for hitting on a bunch of us in a bar. Turned out he was trying to put the make on everyone in casual company. He was a body builder type fag and he got sent to prison. Good enough for mtrhe stinking pervert.

yanacek · 04-08-09, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kirk

NoNoNONo Never! I had a fag arrested when I was in Philly Hospital recovering from my wounds, in May 1969 for hitting on a bunch of us in a bar. Turned out he was trying to put the make on everyone in casual company. He was a body builder type fag and he got sent to prison.

Good for you brother. That's exactly where creeps like that belong!

Pete0331 · 04-08-09, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by commdog7

Anyways, my vote doesn't count. The only votes that count are the politicians' votes. Whether you like it or not, gays will be allowed in my beloved Corps- one day.

They are allowed now.
They just can't be overt about their sexuality.

yanacek · 04-08-09, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Convulsive

its dont ask dont tell. you could have very well been in that very situation with a gay marine already.

now this goes for everyone.
truth is, why the **** does it matter? there are gays in the Marines and other branches of service anyway. just leave it as it is, there's no reason for everyone to know everyone's sexual preference. If people depped-in and had the option of putting down "gay" as their sexual orientation then it would just cause problems. we don't need to be worrying if the guy behind us is checking out our ass. If they're really a disciplined marine they wouldn't be, and if you were one you wouldn't be worried about it. you both know you have better crap to focus on.

IMO leave well enough alone

Your opinion may go for your peers, but it surely doesn't go for me.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was implemented by Bill Clinton within a few weeks of him taking office. Prior to that, applicants were specifically asked at the MEPS "Are you now, or have you ever engaged or participated in homosexual acts--that is, sexual acts with a person of the same sex." That policy worked just fine too except that Clinton had promised the queers he would allow them to serve in the military. Of course, after he took office he modified his position to the current policy because he met stiff resistance from the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

With that said, I am not the least bit concerned with some queer looking at my 6 O'clock. What I am concerned with is my Marine Corps. The Marine Corps is one of the last bastions of what good is left in this country, and that's the way I would like my Corps to remain. I resent some two-bit politician trying to shove his demented standards onto the Marine Corps--especially since he, like Bill Clinton, never served their country for one day of their miserable lives.

Isrowei · 04-08-09, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Convulsive

its dont ask dont tell. you could have very well been in that very situation with a gay marine already.

now this goes for everyone.
truth is, why the **** does it matter? there are gays in the marines and other branches of service anyway. just leave it as it is, theres no reason for everyone to know everyones sexual preference. If people dep'd in and had the option of putting down "gay" as their sexual orientation then it would just cause problems. we dont need to be worrying if the guy behind us is checking out our ass. If they're really a diciplined marine they wouldnt be, and if you were one you wouldnt be worried about it. you both know you have better crap to focus on.

IMO leave well enough alone

Who allowed a poolee in here?

Aren't they restricted to asking questions about the Corps... not dictating opinions to those who have served in it?

yanacek · 04-08-09, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Isrowei

Who allowed a poolee in here?

Aren't they restricted to asking questions about the Corps... not dictating opinions to those who have served in it?

I missed the snipe at the Staff Sergeant. Good catch Sir.

Poolee Convulsive. Refrain from your fvcking stupid opinions.

yanacek · 04-09-09, 04:51 AM

Poolee Convulsive. Refrain from your fvcking stupid opinions.

Achped · 04-09-09, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Convulsive

im not dictating ****. its just my opinion. i find it humorous that you'll condescend a poolee for adding in his two cents on a poll that doesnt mean ****. frankly i don't care, now im just hoping it happens so i can see all the forum posts against it.

I know the MSgt already told you to shut the **** up... but yet you insist.

Why?

Petz · 04-09-09, 06:51 AM

recruit convulsive, shut the fvck up.

aye, sir!

recruit convulsive! what the **** did I just say?! I said shut the fvck up!!! you shuting your suck is confirmation that you are going to follow my order!!

you want to be a smart ass recruit convulsive?? good get on my quarter deck now!

and just so you aren't lonely, you, you, you and you can join him, make sure you thank recruit convulsive for making this happen for you!

convulsive, you really think that it's humorous that the rules should be followed?! how bout you shut the fvck up before we destroy your ass?? we're blessed with your recruiters phone number, your full name and the date you are shipping... do you really want our wrath brought down upon you while you are in boot camp? all it takes is a couple of play-girl sent to you to make you truly get the full experience of discipline.

yeah, it's been done before and no one is afraid of doing it again, just give us a shot... I dare you.

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04-06-09, 08:37 AM	#1
Shaffer Leatherneck Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plano Posts: 2,627 Credits: 4,775 Images: 44	Administration Delays Change to Military's 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' Policy A change to the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gays in the military will be delayed despite promises by the Obama administration to overturn the rule, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday. "The president and I feel like we've got a lot on our plates right now and let's push that one down the road a little bit," Gates told "FOX News Sunday." In January, President Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, was asked whether his boss would overturn "don't ask, don't tell.” Gibbs' reply -- videotaped for YouTube -- was unequivocal. "You don't hear politicians give a one-word answer much. But it's 'Yes,'" Gibbs said. But Gates now says the Pentagon will continue to enforce the existing policy, which bars service members from proclaiming their sexual orientation and commanding officers from asking about it. However, the policy states that if it becomes known that a service member is gay, he or she is to be removed from the military. "It continues to be the law and any change in policy would require a change in the law," Gates said. "We will follow the law, whatever it is. "That dialogue, though, has really not progressed very far at this point in the administration," he added. __________________ Semper Fi! All Marine! All The Time! ___________________



04-06-09, 09:30 PM	#2
BigAlHolmes165 Marine Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 26º 30' N, 54º 16' E Posts: 5,124 Credits: 1,900	Not no, but hell no. I have been away for a few days and was on 6 different airlines. Each had a faggot dude stewardess. Sick bastards. It made me wonder what, whichever of the 'A's' it was, accord or achped that did all the kissing of 'men', just what in the ** they were thinking. Again, not no, but no!!!! __________________ Illegitimi Non Carborundum!!**



04-06-09, 11:30 PM	#3
Alisium Marine Free Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lynden, WA Posts: 1,558 Credits: 10,474	I think they should but, like women, never in the grunts. I think that a gay person who's willing to serve as, say an admin clerk or Air Traffic Controller, is more of a man and an American than a lot of those punk kids or so called thugs out there who would never consider it. Provided they can conduct themselves professionally (that includes not acting limp wristed) they should be allowed limited duty. __________________



04-07-09, 12:22 AM	#4
Petz Marine Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,745 Credits: 2,116	a non-deploying status is a positive idea... many showers are stalls or on ship you have just a curtain.... if you want to be gay and serve then you do so by being the RBE... problem is they take up a deployable Marines spot. __________________ "With the public coffers prospering and the officials in office many, the ruler became arrogant and his ministers wasteful. And in pursuit of great exploits they embarked on frequent wars. Thus I say they were the first to perish" - Sun-Tzu, The Art Of Warfare "When you get messed with long enough you'll fight anyone." AtMoore1



04-07-09, 01:03 AM	#5
TTX Marine Free Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Grand Prairie Posts: 102 Credits: 10,015	I just can't imagine of myself being a roomate or in a fox hole with a gay Marine. __________________ Freedom is not given, you have to earn it!



04-08-09, 03:43 AM	#6
commdog7 Marine Free Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,249 Credits: 10,447	I noticed that 'no' came before 'yes' in that poll. Normally it is the other way around... some sort of hidden agenda there. Anyways, my vote doesn't count. The only votes that count are the politicians' votes. Whether you like it or not, gays will be allowed in my beloved Corps- one day. __________________ "A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." -Martin Luther King, Jr.



04-08-09, 06:25 AM	#7
Captain Kirk Marine Free Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus Posts: 288 Credits: 10,161	NoNoNONo Never! I had a fag arested when I was in Philly Hospital recovering from my wounds, in May 1969 for hitting on a bunch of us in a bar. Turned out he was trying to put the make on everyone in casual company. He was a body builder type fag and he got sent to prison. Good enough for mtrhe stinking pervert. __________________ *To err is human to forgive divine. Neither is Marine Corps Policy*



04-09-09, 04:51 AM	#13
yanacek Marine Free Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,604 Credits: 9,542	Poolee Convulsive. Refrain from your fvcking stupid opinions.



04-09-09, 06:51 AM	#15
Petz Marine Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,745 Credits: 2,116	recruit convulsive, shut the fvck up. aye, sir! recruit convulsive! what the ** did I just say?! I said shut the fvck up!!! you shuting your suck is confirmation that you are going to follow my order!! you want to be a smart ass recruit convulsive?? good get on my quarter deck now! and just so you aren't lonely, you, you, you and you can join him, make sure you thank recruit convulsive for making this happen for you! convulsive, you really think that it's humorous that the rules should be followed?! how bout you shut the fvck up before we destroy your ass?? we're blessed with your recruiters phone number, your full name and the date you are shipping... do you really want our wrath brought down upon you while you are in boot camp? all it takes is a couple of play-girl sent to you to make you truly get the full experience of discipline. yeah, it's been done before and no one is afraid of doing it again, just give us a shot... I dare you. __________________ "With the public coffers prospering and the officials in office many, the ruler became arrogant and his ministers wasteful. And in pursuit of great exploits they embarked on frequent wars. Thus I say they were the first to perish" - Sun-Tzu, The Art Of Warfare** "When you get messed with long enough you'll fight anyone." AtMoore1

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