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10-24-10, 05:02 PM #16
10-24-10, 05:15 PM #17
First phase platoons were in the chow hall talking about how they were so happy there was no more scuzzing so I don't know it seemed legit
10-24-10, 05:27 PM #18
Under what circumstances would you want to an X Marine?
We have bantering the word FEAR around lately. Some believe Thumping is used to instill fear in the Marine. I have said the Marine Corps taught me how to cope with many of my fears, and many of my fears have actually been cured by my training. But never once did they attempt to instill FEAR in me, and they didn't. I don't know what is behind thumping, but I don't think it was meant to instill a long lasting fear in the recruit. I do know it was probably used for one DI to try to outdo other DIs. DIs of my day really needed that ego. I guess there isn't any such thing as an X DI either. So you DIs out there, what do you think.
Now, back to the purpose of this thread. The day the Marine Corps becomes based on FEAR, that is the DAY I become an X Marine. I still have my Greens in my closet. That is the day I will burn them. The day the Marines going are going into a fight because they are afraid they have lost their war. Going into a fight I was always afraid, but The Marine Corps had taught me how to overcome those fears.
Remember what Roosevelt said about Fear.
If you are motivated by FEAR, get out of the Corps!!
10-24-10, 05:57 PM #19
Nothing wrong with using fear as a tool to instill discipline, Bob.
Please ignore what I have said on the subject and just refer to Major General Raymond L. Murray, former CG of MCRD Parris Island, who said fear first, then discipline or fear first, then pride, but he definitely used the word "fear" to mean that they used it down there as a tool, to help build the foundation of absolute and unquestioning obedience to orders. I'll try to find the exact quote, someone from that era 1963-1967 might remember his exact words.
10-24-10, 06:05 PM #20
Silver star at Guadalcanal and one for Tarawa, and led the troops at Chosin Reservoir, so although no one is infallible, the late Maj Gen R L Murray's words about it always rang true with me......we're afraid to rough up the recruits too badly, and now the scrubbing of the deck might have been done away with .
Maybe it's time for two week orientation classes at PI, taking notes, graduate, go home.....not now, but maybe within 10 years, as we phase out all the really dangerous stuff like occasional thumping and scrubbing down the deck.
10-24-10, 06:44 PM #21
Not trying to put words in your mouth, but at what point should FEAR become a moot factor. Me, I could not work under someone I was afraid of. Marine Corps or civilian.
10-24-10, 07:01 PM #22
DIs have a big ego and are occasionaly going to step out of bounds, regardless of the method used. Thumping out of control causes serious injury too frequently. Of course, over zealous application of other methods, also, results in physical injury.
Of course, I am judging DIs on the basis of what I saw 66 years ago. I just believe the things that made good DIs 66 years ago still makes good DIs. What I say about DIs is not meant to be any to DIs.
10-24-10, 07:15 PM #23
10-24-10, 07:29 PM #24
That's gotta be a load of crap, if recruits are *****ing about cleaning with the scuzz maybe they should just get the hell out they signed the papers. It's called grab a can o' man, let the balls drop and suck it up.
10-24-10, 07:30 PM #25
10-24-10, 08:05 PM #26
Bob, Maj Gen Murray definitely said something on the order of "fear, then pride". But it was definitely something like that.
The fear ends upon graduation, but I'll tell you what seems to me to be a fact, and that is we all have some fear in us, and it acts as a deterrent and a tool for discipline, for example, a lot of us have been in situations where we would have liked to do something to someone, but fear of the consequences stopped us, or caused us to think. At work, we have all thought of telling the boss the title of an old Johnny Paycheck country song, but fear of being fired stops us and helps us control ourselves.
zero, I have never heard that expression OPEN UP A CAN O MAN, that is hilarious, I love it
10-24-10, 08:07 PM #27
Dan, wtf...we asked a DI if we could go to sick bay, he would be sure to give us a real reason for going!
A Marine buddy of mine told me, several years ago, The world we grew up in doesn't exist anymore, granted, everyone knows that, but the way he said it, it stuck in my mind
10-24-10, 08:08 PM #28
Bob cracks me up, is still on that thumping thread from some time ago, we never will agree but we keep talking about it......Bob, meet you here five years from now, the same thread will still be going
10-24-10, 08:11 PM #29
Bob, you hate the idea of thumping a recruit, I love the idea. Plain and simple.....it helps the recruit, just thru boot camp....not afterwards. The new Marine doesn't cower in fear upon seeing a fellow Marine...we never did....boot camp was very scary, and I am saying it HAS to be, look at it today, it is not scary and look at the result, look at the sick bay thing, the disgusting thing about the brush etc -----Remember in the old Leatherneck magazines they had a column entitled If I were Commandant, and they had another one Gyrene Gyngles, and then The Old Gunny Says.....If I were commandant I would re-institute thumping, in moderation, at 0500 tomorrow
10-24-10, 08:12 PM #30
the zero saying Grab a Can o Man has me laughing yet....I never heard that before, it is one of the best things I ever heard
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