A little Advice.

[Petz]

they aren't giving out waivers for any felonies. Talking about expungement, it still shows up in his records, it just has a stamp that says "expunged" on it. You guys need to stop giving bad info.

The only people who can help him are the local recruiters. If they say they can't help him it's because they can't, not because they don't want to put him in the Corps.

there are lots of other cases as well, they may grant waivers for Alphas or seniors only but he could be a bravo, or a grad. You guys really have no clue as to his or the RS's situation.

[battlepudge]

Ha I like the advice Marines. Even the bad stuff... I mean it gives me a reality check to weather I can get in or not. I'm not asking for "all good advice" I need to know the goods and the bads here. I am happy to say that I will not give up this dream or let anything in my past hold me back. This is what I want to do and like I said before I wont stop till it happens...Weather is be in what ever way, I will get into the USMC 1 way or another. Thanks again Marines

-Aaron

[TRLewis]

they aren't giving out waivers for any felonies. Talking about expungement, it still shows up in his records, it just has a stamp that says "expunged" on it. You guys need to stop giving bad info.

The only people who can help him are the local recruiters. If they say they can't help him it's because they can't, not because they don't want to put him in the Corps.

there are lots of other cases as well, they may grant waivers for Alphas or seniors only but he could be a bravo, or a grad. You guys really have no clue as to his or the RS's situation.

I have to ask for some sort of proof, because once records are expunged they're sealed.

[slimmy07]

I have to ask for some sort of proof, because once records are expunged they're sealed.

SSgt Petz is right. His record will still show up. I know SSgt Petz is not a recruiter, but he is at a RSS working there right now,. correct? I know for a fact that SSgt Petz has seen this come up before. I have plenty of times while on recruiting duty. The military will get a police records check and find out about records that are sealed and or expunged. You can still obtain the police reports. You want proof, I suggest going on recruiting duty then.

[TRLewis]

Lets start with MCO's.

[Alisium]

Well everybody was a teenager once right? Yeah I liked "getting high" and didn't really have many plans for a "future" Now being sober and thinking with a clear head, you really get a taste of the real world and what you want to be apart of in this world. I know where I stand and I'm not going to give up this goal until I reach it or they ban me from the recruiter office for being too annoying...Thanks for all the advice and hopefully one day I'll be able to play my part in ensuring American Freedom. Again thanks for all your responses Marines.

-Aaron

Well, at least now you know you messed up. Knowing is half the battle, hey!

Square yourself away and keep that goal in mind. It might take a year it might take five. Stay on the straight and narrow.

Good on you for realizing you need to change your lifestyle. And ignore people who tell you you'll never amount to anything.

Bottom line:

Your local recruiter told you to hang in there, then do as he says.

[BR34]

I have to ask for some sort of proof, because once records are expunged they're sealed.

Both of you are wrong. Maybe it's a case by case, state law by state law basis but I can tell you with 100% certainty that an expunged record is vanished from a persons' record.

I was convicted of a felony in 2000. Did 2 years probation, paid fines, etc. I finished probation and filed a motion with the DA to have the case dismissed. The DA and judge agreed. I then had my arrest record expunged.

A few years later I went to the RS to sign up and told them my whole history. They did a bunch of different bg checks on me and couldn't find ANYTHING. So I was left in a situation where I needed to get a waiver but there was no paperwork available supporting anything I was telling them. Luckily for me my probation officer still had a copy of the court minutes and I was able to use that for my waiver paperwork.

I've also legally purchased probably 10 firearms since then. No wait time, no holds, just paperwork, money, and walking out the door with a gun.

And to top it off, I've been fingerprinted and had my mug taken for a back ground check I had to have to get my Conceal Carry Weapons permit. 5 weeks later my permit was in hand.

My record is completely clean, not even a speeding ticket. In LA records ARE destroyed once expunged. It's actually written into LA's law that the records (fingerprints, court docs, arrest reports, mug shots) will be destroyed and all that shall remain is a paper saying "Person X has been expunged" with no explanation of what they were charged with or what used to be on their record.

So it may vary from state to state, but I can tell you for a fact Louisiana destroys the record. (except for lazy prob officers who don't get the memo)

[TRLewis]

Both of you are wrong. Maybe it's a case by case, state law by state law basis but I can tell you with 100% certainty that an expunged record is vanished from a persons' record.

I was convicted of a felony in 2000. Did 2 years probation, paid fines, etc. I finished probation and filed a motion with the DA to have the case dismissed. The DA and judge agreed. I then had my arrest record expunged.

A few years later I went to the RS to sign up and told them my whole history. They did a bunch of different bg checks on me and couldn't find ANYTHING. So I was left in a situation where I needed to get a waiver but there was no paperwork available supporting anything I was telling them. Luckily for me my probation officer still had a copy of the court minutes and I was able to use that for my waiver paperwork.

I've also legally purchased probably 10 firearms since then. No wait time, no holds, just paperwork, money, and walking out the door with a gun.

And to top it off, I've been fingerprinted and had my mug taken for a back ground check I had to have to get my Conceal Carry Weapons permit. 5 weeks later my permit was in hand.

My record is completely clean, not even a speeding ticket. And an expungement did it.

Just curious as to how I'm wrong. The records are never destroyed but they can't be opened either. I got an expungement, FBI and SBI couldn't find anything.

I just wanted to see these guys come up with the MCO.

[BR34]

Just curious as to how I'm wrong. The records are never destroyed but they can't be opened either. I got an expungement, FBI and SBI couldn't find anything.

I just wanted to see these guys come up with the MCO.

Because it's state by state. Not all states have the same laws. In Louisiana they're destroyed. At least they're supposed to be according to LA's law.

1. It shall order all agencies and law enforcement offices having record of the arrest, whether on microfilm, computer card or tape, or on any photographic, electronic, or mechanical method of storing data, to destroy any record of arrest, photograph, fingerprint, or any other information of any and all kinds or descriptions.
2. The court shall also order such custodians of records to file a sworn affidavit to the effect that the records have been destroyed and that no notations or references have been retained in the agency’s central repository which will or might lead to the inference that any record ever was on file with any agency or law enforcement office. The original of such affidavit shall be kept by the court and a copy shall be retained by the affiant agency, which copy shall not be a public record and shall not be open for public inspection but rather shall be kept under lock and key and maintained only for internal recordkeeping purposes.

Like I said, the only thing the state retains is basically a receipt of expungement.

[TRLewis]

I even listed the statutes and it says the records will be retained.

[BR34]

...Jesus. Listen, it's a STATE BY STATE thing. There is no absolute. Read my post above.

[TRLewis]

...Jesus. Listen, it's a STATE BY STATE thing. There is no absolute. Read my post above.

Hey, numb nuts. I listed the statutes for HIS state. He's not in LA. So cool it sparky.

[BR34]

I'm not talking about that post. I'm talking about the other few where you kept saying "once records are expunged they're sealed" or "the records will never be expunged". You even brought your own state expunge sealment into the discussion as if it's proof of what all others do. As I said, that ain't always the case. Maybe you should be more specific and say "once records are expunged in state 'X' they're sealed."

[BR34]

I'm not talking about that post. I'm talking about the other few where you kept saying "once records are expunged they're sealed" or "the records will never be destroyed". You even brought your own state expunge sealment into the discussion as if it's proof of what all others do. As I said, that ain't always the case. Maybe you should be more specific and say "once records are expunged in state 'X' they're sealed."

Fixed my booboo.

[Zulu 36]

Having worked in the crim justice biz for many years I learned one thing: A government, ANY government, does not like to destroy files. They may be sealed, they may be locked up in special vaults, they may be really, really hard to get access to, but generally they are not destroyed.

There may be an odd state or two that actually does destroy records of expungements, but don't bet on each and every piece of paper being gone. If any place still has some record of the matter, it will be the arresting police department. Again, they may be specially segregated, but don't bet on them being destroyed.