Marine Corps Fitness Standards

[Petz]

anyone have a listing of the current weight standards?
im curious how close i am to my max.

im 74" 220lbs in uniform

our max is 214lbs.

as for the weight standards... they changed them... the majority of hts have stayed the same but the odd numbers have had one pound removed while the evens have stayed the same... did this back in 2008.

[Devildogg99]

anyone have a listing of the current weight standards?
im curious how close i am to my max.

im 74" 220lbs in uniform

Not to be nitpicking but I will, go to your S-3 shop. By now as a Sgt you should know your max and min.

The new PFT/CFT first half and second half respectfully goes in effect 1 Jan.

I personally like the CFT, but I am not in favor of only doing one PFT a year. I think we should have 2 PFT's and a CFT. I'm sure people will complain but realistically they aren't that hard to do, even if you can't run 18 min and drag ass at 26 min. Its a good way to keep Marines in check, because as some of you know there are some over weight guys(fat not muscle) that should be fast tracked out or on BCP but because of "rank" they get out of it.

I was glad when the Corps did away with if you are fat and get a 1st class you are good to go. Kudos for being fat and still making a first class, but still you look heinous in chucks and you have buttons on the side of your cammies.

[Petz]

um, the Sgt has been out for a while, he needs to get his ducks in a row.

Don't fault him for not knowing it yet.

but to comment about the two PFTs, I think you are asking for too much out of NON-combat arms Marines to take more time away from their jobs to train for another fitness test.

if you allow them to train for the PFT then the CFT with a few months in between you will have healthy, cross-trained Marines. and if your NCOs do their job, fewer fat bodies.

You think it's the Staff's fault Marines get fat? as Sgt I blamed the Cpls for hanging out with fat bodies and letting them drink that case of bud heavy and eat all that fast food.

The only thing I couldn't do is make them responsible for that Marine and counsel him. I was told that it's not fair to the NCO.

[Devildogg99]

I don't think its the Staff's fault. I was saying there are fat Cpls out there just as many fat Gunnys.

So you are telling me 6 months to do a PFT and a CFT is really pushing it???

You don't need a gym to do upper body just use your own weight. As far as running well make time. 6 months is plenty of time to get ready for a PFT/CFT. Not everyone needs to work out everyday to stay in shape. Non-combat arms should have more time do to less time in the field and what not. Even combat arms should have time here and there, but they are probably doing stuff anyway which may be tiring but still exercies to an extent.

Its all about being dedicated and making time.


For example this E-3 in the shop today. We just found out he failed the PFT at his MOS school before graduation and they didn't start no paperwork. That was first half. According to him he can run fast and do 90 crunches but only 2 pullups. I had him go outside and do pullups and he struggled on the 2 and that was with kipping. I allowed him to kip just to watch what he does and well kipping period helps you out and he struggled with that. Well our squadron wide weigh-in is next week, which will probably do the trick anyway as he looks overweight. If he only had to do one PFT that one would have done him in. He might be a stud at the CFT, but failed the PFT and is now non-rec till next year. By at least having 2 PFT's a year he can work at it and improve, and maybe get a 1st class if he puts forth the effort. Now he can be recommended perhaps by passing the second half PFT, instead of waiting a whole year.

I'm saying I know some squadrons if you run a PFT in JAN and say not do so hot, and be like well I will run it again come April. They won't let you. Is it a dickhead move maybe, but still you "have done a pft" already.

Just watch come next year and it will be tweaked again guaranteed.

[Accord]

Um, being 220 pounds with a low bodyfat % and a lot of muscle is no excuse for running a bad PFT. "wahhh I lift weights so I should be exempt from USMC standards" shut the hell up. I'm 68 inches and 205 pounds of lean cut up muscle, and I can run a 300 PFT all day long any day of the week. Am I within height and weight standards? I have no friggen clue, all I know is that i'm a good ****ing Marine and because of that my chain of command doesn't give me crap about things like this.

The CFT is a joke, it's some made up B.S. to make pogues feel better about themselves, they can get a good score on the CFT so it makes them feel like a real Marine. I don't care who you are, if you can't get at least a near perfect score on the CFT then you suck at not just being a Marine, but you suck at life.

And you're a boot, when one of your senior Marines in your unit is talking to you about combat, maybe you should listen to them.

[Accord]

But to me to me the overall point is, the things they stress aren't really applicable in combat.

And you would know this how? You're a stupid boot. Shut up and don't talk about what is applicable in combat because you don't ****in know.

You won't run 3 miles in a combat zone.

Really? Again I ask, how do you know this? When I was in Afghanistan and we left the wire one day without air or arty on station, we ended up getting too deep into the **** and had to break contact and double time 3.5 clicks back to our OP because our QRF was already busy responding to another patrol.

If you suck at running 3 miles in a SKIVVIE SHIRT, SILKIES, AND RUNNING SHOES, then HOW THE HELL are you going to do it in full gear? Simple answer, YOU'RE NOT. A 227 is pathetic, and in my battalion you would be put on remedial for having that score, it may be considered 1st class in some pogue unit, but in my unit you'd be labeled a turd. Anyone who can't maintain a 250+ is put on remedial.

[Wyoming]

And you would know this how? You're a stupid boot. Shut up and don't talk about what is applicable in combat because you don't ****in know.


Really? Again I ask, how do you know this? When I was in Afghanistan and we left the wire one day without air or arty on station, we ended up getting too deep into the **** and had to break contact and double time 3.5 clicks back to our OP because our QRF was already busy responding to another patrol.

If you suck at running 3 miles in a SKIVVIE SHIRT, SILKIES, AND RUNNING SHOES, then HOW THE HELL are you going to do it in full gear? Simple answer, YOU'RE NOT. A 227 is pathetic, and in my battalion you would be put on remedial for having that score, it may be considered 1st class in some pogue unit, but in my unit you'd be labeled a turd. Anyone who can't maintain a 250+ is put on remedial.

Hehehehe. Get some John.

[Accord]

Hehehehe. Get some John.

This is why I hate boots, all of them... they're all the same. All of them think they know everything and are the only ones who ever make any sense. Some boot sitting here talking about what is applicable in combat when he is still ****ting out that cheese and veggie omelet MRE he ate on the crucible... Please.

[Zulu 36]

I would imagine being overweight for your height, but with low body fat percentage, you could get a fat body waiver, but having a good PFT score goes with that.

I've said this before on another thread, I worked for a SSgt who looked like a 55-gallon drum on legs. His biceps were massive. He had low body fat percentage. However, he turned out a 300 PFT every time. So, he got waivers for weight easily.

I don't know how such a big man could run as fast as he could. But he did it all of the time.

[Accord]

John, I completely agree with the CFT. We just did our first CFT a few weeks ago. The Battalion CO was with us and hes like...this is retarded. Its exactly what you said, some POG in quantico sitting around whos like "Yeah, I think admin guys should carry ammo cans because they'll never have to do it in real life..."

Wait till you see the new running suits...its hillarious. You look at the entire III MEF and all the POG units are at like 80% -100% of their unit has been issued it, then you look at the grunt battalions, the arty battalions, the trackers, most are lucky to be at 7%. MY battalion and 3rd AAB have been issued....zero.

I hate CLBs/CLRs/etc... they're full of idiots just like the OP.

I've got the new running suit... I love it because I never wear cammies to work anymore.

[samthomas]

I'm 68 inches and 205 pounds of lean cut up muscle...

I hope not, that would be bad.

[Petz]

I've got the new running suit... I love it because I never wear cammies to work anymore.

you know right...

but to mention your above posts, I think you make good points but your seem angry. Not all non-combat arms units are retarded, most may not make sense to a victor unit but hey, that's not our job.

I would agree with you about the pog making the CFT, but even if they had gunners (real gunners) helping them they had to design it so EVERY Marine is capable of doing it.

So to say that it's a waste of time and retarded... yes, to say it should never have been designed and implemented... NO.

I think it will open up eyes to many weak ass non-combat arms Marines who are starting to pick up security jobs that were traditionally victor unit billets and who are moving gear and doing small operations in the ****.

we as pogs need to have a base line on the rigors of combat as you guys see it so we can self improve.

to mention to the SSgt, I've heard of units (in HI) who did a PFT one week then the next (new FY) run another PFT. so if you sucked at the first you'll suck at the second. I'm sure the same can be for the CFT but if you suck at one and not the other at least you'll have a higher average.

it's all relative really, but I think the non-conformists out there NEED to be made to PT, it's easy to say that everyone should PT on their own, but in reality it's not going to happen. That is one of the reasons we have stupid ass unit PT in the morning, personally I'd do all mine in the evening.

but we got another year or two before we get a new CMC and new rules to be implemented Corps wide, so if you're new, hope you get used to change...

[Accord]

You make good points. I'm not angry, I just hate it when smartass boots fresh off the island talk about things like combat, as if they've been.

If the only PT you do is unit PT, then you're going to be a turd. The only reason I can run a 300 PFT is because I PT on my own everyday and have a solid routine that I follow. If I just did unit PT and nothing else I bet I wouldn't even run a first class.

[RNelson]

So I get back from a 10 month deployment Iraq and less than 2 weeks later I have a CFT, now I was slightly concerned due the the fact the second half of my deployment had ended early and I had been training to do a PFT. Now comes the irony I ended up doing pretty well on the CFT its self, actually scored a 297 on that where as I am a 260-70 PFT runner. For those of you who think little wiery guys can't do well on the CFT I am a 5'1" 110 lb Midget Marine got stuck carrying a 145lb Marine but still finished in 30 seconds less than my minimum time. I feel that with all of these training requierments it is all on the individual to maintain those fitness standards. It can be done on both ends height and weight should never be an excuse for an individuals sucess or failure.

[Wolverine1971]

I was always sucking wind because of my build and could never keep up with the skinny guys but I could crank out 55 pullups so it didn't bother me. I was not built to be a runner. I rather stand and fight then run. LOL