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01-01-09, 11:39 PM #1
Stay Away From Magic Jack -- Avoid It Like The Plague
When I was hosting my radio show and tried to reduce expenses, quite a number of my audience suggested I get MagicJack. Instead, I went with Vonage and was very happy.
Over Christmas, my nephew got a new computer to take with him to college and I told my wife that maybe he should get MagicJack so he could phone home free. My wife, ever the bargain hunter, checked out Magic Jack. What an eye opener!
STAY AWAY FROM MAGIC JACK -- AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE ---
Read the TOS ("Terms Of Service) for Magic Jack VERY closely. You might be surprised at what you see there. Or NOT see there. What I am about to report should make you VERY concerned.
In short ... to quote a favorite cartoon character .... "Be Afwaid, Very Afwaid".
This is just pointing out the not-so-obvious that is hidden deep within the TOS, and other 'gotcha's' that you won't realize until after you give up your $ and privacy!
Here is the contact info for MagicJack:
PO BOX 6785
West Palm Beach, FL 33405
Magic Jack Phone number: 281-404-1551
Billing MagicJack number: 561-594-2140
CAUTION: it looks like they track the number that calls and places you into a repeating loop if you call back a second time. so if you need to call a second time make sure its from a different number.
In the TOS you agree that everything in your computer is fair game for them to know about; all web sites, email, and numbers called is *their* info.
You agree to have all of *your* information resold to third parties.
There is no Un-install for this program. Even if you stop using it, it gathers your information.
You are put under high pressure to sign up and pay for 5 years.
There is no published phone number, email address, or mailing address.
All customer support is done via type-in-the-box instant message chat.
There is no written warranty on the box. If it breaks, you have to buy another to maintain your service.
Computer must be left on to make or receive calls.
A Pop up window comes to the front of the screen anytime there is a call in or out call.
MajicJack Spyware slows down your computer even when you are not using MagicJack
Advertising appears in the pop up box.
Yes, you do save around $150 a year not using a real Voip company but that's a small price to pay to keep your information calling, browsing and other computer info private.
So ask yourself, is it really worth it?
Wait .... there's more.
Magic Jack is owned and run by YMAX. They are not a stand alone VoIP provider.
The software for the MagicJack does not run directly from the device. It fully installs on the Windows system, which also makes the MagicJack less attractive for situations where one might want to use it on someone else's computer (say when visiting family).
There is no easy way to uninstall the software from the system, with the program not even showing up in the Windows Remove Program window.
MagicJack confirmed that there is currently no easy way to uninstall the software. The process required to uninstall the software requires multiple Windows Registry edits and the removal of several folders on the Windows system. Based on this, I wouldn't recommend using the MagicJack on the systems of friends, family or business associates." -- (see magicjack fails to cast a voip spell)
Nobody should accept having to leave unwanted software on a personal computer, or any tell-tale trace of the MJ program on a public computer, a business workstation, or a borrowed device.
The key concepts here are action and intent. IF MJ is not actively monitoring computer activity and collecting data about its customers, that's great. They would be taking no action that anyone could be concerned about.
But consider their intent. Their TOS spell out their intent -- the intent to feed context sensitive advertising, which requires manipulation of information from your brain through their software into their processors.
There seems to be little restriction of what info their software can see. (Kind of like your home builder installing bugging devices and cameras into your bedroom, just not yet watching the feed.)
Then there is the ability of MJ to modify their software (upgrade, anyone?) at any time, without the common user's ability to stop it. That revision could include the spyware coding.
While you, the uncommon user, have the ability to see what they are doing, the common user has no idea when the change is made.
Now let's consider MJ's intent of not building in an UNINSTALL capability. I am suggesting that this exposes MJ's intent to have their software on your PC whether you're an active phone customer or not. What would be the intent of having that software on the PC of a former customer? (Consider, also, their "convenience" feature of taking the device with you so you can use it on a friend's PC -- thus installing the software on that machine, too!) What information could that software obtain that would be of value to MJ? And what could the common user do to stop it?
MJ could shut down their phone service tomorrow, and they have a window into 1 million PCs -- to feed advertising, log key strokes, and obtain surfing patterns.
By laughing at the TOS provisions, you are overlooking that they are warning you of their intent -- and protecting themselves from future legal action. "We told them what we were going to do. It was in our terms of service and the customers agreed." Case dismissed.
From theirEnd User License Agreement (EULA):
“You also understand and agree that use of the magicJack device and Software will include advertisements and that these advertisements are necessary for the MagicJack device to work … Our computers may analyze the phone numbers you call in order to improve the relevance of the ads”.
Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the MagicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration … in Palm Beach, Florida.”
In short, it not only has one agree to ads with its paid-for system, but claims that the ads are necessary for it to work. It will also snoop on your calls to target ads more accurately, and has you sign away your legal right to take it to court if it defrauds or otherwise harms you. Delightful.
Neither the EULA itself, nor any other privacy or legal information, can be easily found at its homepage. It’s not even provided at the point of sale, where one enters credit card info, email and street addresses as such, so as to gain access to the service and have your MagicJack dongle delivered. I found the EULA’s URL through Google.
When you access MajicJack’s instant web help page, a bizarre series of “compatibility tests” take place first, reporting lies like “Your MagicJack is functioning properly” even if you don’t have one installed.
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My Conclusion: Stay away from MagicJack at all costs
01-02-09, 01:57 PM #2
- Join Date
- Apr 2006
- Orange County, CA.
Thanks for the info jetdawgg. I too am using Vonage and I have no complaints. Buyer beware!
01-02-09, 09:59 PM #3
01-02-09, 10:20 PM #4
I GOT THEIR MAGIC JACK SWINGING NOW IF THIS FINE FEMALE FLIGHT ATTENDANT KEEPS STRUTTIN BY ME I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'M GONNA SWING MY MAGIC JACK.HaHaHaHaHa
01-02-09, 10:21 PM #5
- Join Date
- Mar 2004
- Kansas City
Nice to know info ------ Thanks dawg!!
01-02-09, 11:49 PM #6
- Join Date
- Apr 2008
yeah... but even though they say they are taking the info... they can't use it for illegal use... they can't steal passwords (would have to be proven) or private data like SSN (would need to be stored somewhere to be illegal)... so to use it for advertisement issues could explain in court why their service is cheapier than everyone elses... but when it's illegal for certain spyware/directed advertisement (congress is working on a bill to protect online consumers) then they couldn't do that either.
01-02-09, 11:50 PM #7
- Join Date
- Oct 2008
i'm glad you posted this.. i know someone who has a magic jack and they love it!!!!!!! i haven't switch to anything yet but i'm glad you put this imfo up here for us to read... thank you
01-03-09, 10:26 AM #8
- Join Date
- Mar 2008
awesome post. my buddy and his father have it and were trying to talk me into it. no way now. thanks brother.
01-03-09, 03:02 PM #9
- Join Date
- Apr 2008
can this guy post the TOS line that he's "quoting"? that would help me believe he's not just quoting a friend or being over dramatic about them installing some adware on your computer.
01-03-09, 03:29 PM #10
- Join Date
- Mar 2008
- Cedar City
Wow, very good to know. Thanks Sgt.
01-03-09, 10:57 PM #11
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