Martial arts belt???

[Assaultdog0351]

The majority of the marines in my company wear riggers belts instead of the traditional MCMAP belts. We were told its unauthorized and out of regulation. this is what i've found from MCO P1020.34G para. 3002(see below). whick leeds me to beleive as long as its worn correct the lengths are correct and the color and type of type buckle are flat black d-type with locking bar, a riggers belt in fact IS authorized. Does anyone know of any other MCMAP belt regulations??


6. Martial Arts Utility Belt. The 1-3/4 inch wide nylon utility belt having
black D-type buckle with locking bar will be worn by all martial arts
qualified Marines with the utility uniform. The tip end of the utility belt will pass through the buckle, feeding back around the locking bar to the
wearer’s left, with the belt-end extending 4 to 8 inches beyond the buckle.
The buckle will be kept subdued in flat black finish. The buckle will be
worn with the locking bar cinched tightly into the buckle.
a. Qualified Marines will wear only the single color of utility belt with
or without instructor stripes appropriate to their martial arts proficiency,
per the current edition of MCO 1500.54. Martial arts utility belts are not
authorized for wear with civilian attire.
b. Personnel designated as close combat instructors or instructortrainers
will wear the appropriate identifying stripes on their belts.
Instructor stripes will be 1/2-inch tan or red stripes, as appropriate, sewn
on perpendicular to the length of the belt in thread that matches the color
of the stripe. First stripe will be placed 2 inches from the belt-end
holding the buckle, and each subsequent stripe placed 1/4 inch intervals from

the previous stripe.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

Wow, I would have thought the fight over wearing riggers belts would have ended when they martial arts belts came onto the scene. I understood the problem when we had to wear the web belt with utilities, but not so much now.

Either way, if the local command says it isn't authorized they win in the end. Good luck though.

[Assaultdog0351]

well one of the biggest problems is that the standard martial arts belt is pretty cheap and comes undone or shifts around even under regular wear not to mention during PT or while training/deployed so the riggers belts have thicker nylon and heavy duty buckles and velcro to fasten the loose end. Most of the hassle come from marines that have been dodging the fleet for the past few and have a strictly garrison mindset, however slowly but surely they are seeing the benefits of superior gear

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

Sounds like the same fight we used to have. I hope you find a way through the whole thing, our command finally saying they wouldn't object to riggers belts in the field was one of the best things they ever did.

[Assaultdog0351]

well for now i'm going to get a can of flat black spray paint so the buckle is in regs

[Accord]

well one of the biggest problems is that the standard martial arts belt is pretty cheap and comes undone or shifts around even under regular wear not to mention during PT or while training/deployed so the riggers belts have thicker nylon and heavy duty buckles and velcro to fasten the loose end. Most of the hassle come from marines that have been dodging the fleet for the past few and have a strictly garrison mindset, however slowly but surely they are seeing the benefits of superior gear

Uniform regs don't exist on deployment when you leave the wire, at least where I was. Garrison nazi's complaining about Marines wearing riggers belts... in Afghanistan I don't think I even bloused my boots for 5 solid months and everyone wore tan riggers belts, even our plt sgt who is a black belt instructor. I'm so happy that my chain of command only cares about war fighting and not the stupid stuff Marines in other units have to deal with.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

If it's in regs, it's in regs, and you can wear it. HOWEVER, if the local command has a written policy or SOP that says you can't, then that will hold the 'higher' authority. If it's just one of those 'you can't because.....' orders, it might be someone who is just mis-informed, or trying to set their own policy for whatever reason.

An easy way to find out?

Check with your Plt Sergeant or Company Gunny. If you are really feeling froggy try the 1stSgt.

[SlingerDun]

I once got creative and attached an unassuming D- to the ALICE and another to a field radio but once put to use they did not go undetected long...

2nd Lt: What are those doing on your pack and radio?

Slinger: Carabiners sir, for sliding ropes and securing stuff.

2nd Lt: I know what they are why are they there?

Slinger: Full canteens, i don't have to carry them on my hips

2nd Lt: Thats why you were issued an H-harness and web gear, lose the outward bound clips

--->Dave

[Sgt Leprechaun]

LOL. Field Marines make s**t WORK for them, not what looks pretty. I've seen and used some seriously non reg stuff on float (back when they actually DID such things LOL) that would never fly, even in the field at Lejeune.

But...Lt's will be Lt's.....

[Mad Russian]

Have been doing research on this question,
and that what I stumbble on:
MARADMIN 143/01
paragraph 3 states :

"THE GREEN RIGGERS BELT IS NOW PART OF THE MARTIAL ARTS BELT
SYSTEM, AND WILL BE WORN AS A THIRD LEVEL QUALIFYING BELT. THE
MARTIAL ARTS BELT WILL BECOME THE REQUIRED BELT FOR THE
UTILITY UNIFORM ONCE A MARINE MEETS THE MINIMUM
QUALIFICATIONS. THE RECRUIT TRAINING DEPOTS BEGAN TRAINING
RECRUITS IN THE MARTIAL ARTS PROGRAM DURING JAN 01."

That should be self explanatory, considering riggers bels comming in all colors (MCMAP)

[Achped]

Most of the hassle come from marines that have been dodging the fleet for the past few and have a strictly garrison mindset

[Petz]

Uniform regs don't exist on deployment when you leave the wire, at least where I was. Garrison nazi's complaining about Marines wearing riggers belts... in Afghanistan I don't think I even bloused my boots for 5 solid months and everyone wore tan riggers belts, even our plt sgt who is a black belt instructor. I'm so happy that my chain of command only cares about war fighting and not the stupid stuff Marines in other units have to deal with.

I'm shocked that you make this seem as though it wasn't for a purpose...

do you think the enemy doesn't know what the belt system means? you think if they captured someone that they would let the guy with the black belt live and possibly destroy them in hand to hand?

sometimes you're right, garrison regs shouldn't exist in combat and you should use your heads when it comes to your qualifications... it's the same reason officers wear black rank... they don't want their head to explode.

[Petz]

Have been doing research on this question,
and that what I stumbble on:
MARADMIN 143/01
paragraph 3 states :

"THE GREEN RIGGERS BELT IS NOW PART OF THE MARTIAL ARTS BELT
SYSTEM, AND WILL BE WORN AS A THIRD LEVEL QUALIFYING BELT. THE
MARTIAL ARTS BELT WILL BECOME THE REQUIRED BELT FOR THE
UTILITY UNIFORM ONCE A MARINE MEETS THE MINIMUM
QUALIFICATIONS. THE RECRUIT TRAINING DEPOTS BEGAN TRAINING
RECRUITS IN THE MARTIAL ARTS PROGRAM DURING JAN 01."

That should be self explanatory, considering riggers bels comming in all colors (MCMAP)

consider the date of your MARADMIN... back then they authorized riggers belts because they didn't have a huge supply of the MCMAP belts... in about '03 - '04 you'll find one that says riggers belts are not authorized MCMAP belts...

but I see nothing wrong with a riggers belt used while deployed or in the field... many times the command will never see the riggers belt.

if you know you have an inspection then have your MCMAP belt with you.

I don't see the reason for all this complaining... I have never had a problem with my MCMAP belts... maybe you should tighten it up so it doesn't loosen up on you... it stays tight only if the locking bar has pressure on it.

[Mad Russian]

consider the date of your MARADMIN... back then they authorized riggers belts because they didn't have a huge supply of the MCMAP belts... in about '03 - '04 you'll find one that says riggers belts are not authorized MCMAP belts...

it's pretty good point of view...
However... Perhaps my research have not proved me otherwise. If you be so kind to enlight me with reference to anything that I can present to my fellow Marines, that would be greately appreciatefull,
"...about '03-'04 ..." does not really work as a reference in this case.

[Mad Russian]

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