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04-16-03, 01:36 PM #1
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Clinton's Postwar Critique
Clinton's Postwar Critique
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 16, 2003; 8:43 AM
Bill Clinton is back on the warpath.
You have to wonder about his timing.
Just days after the American victory in Baghdad, one might expect the 42nd president to let his successor have his moment.
After all, Clinton, despite some occasional potshots, supported Bush's tough stance against Saddam. It was Clinton who signed a 1998 law making regime change the official policy of the United States – even though he did little, other than dropping a few bombs, to bring it about.
Not that Clinton can't play the role of constructive critic. But the timing of his latest blast suggests that he just can't stand being off the stage for long.
Frankly, in light of the stunning military victory in Iraq, his comments sound a bit churlish – even though he makes some valid points. Shouldn't the former commander-in-chief be congratulating America's soldiers?
Maybe Clinton is just trying to boost interest in his "60 Minutes" debates with Bob Dole.
With Bush's every utterance – like yesterday's speech on taxes – carried live on cable, the Democratic candidates must be pondering whether Clinton is going to use up much of their remaining oxygen.
The war officially ended yesterday, by the way – not with any White House pronouncement but with the decision by the cable networks to dump out of a Donald Rumsfeld press conference to cover a California coroner talking about missing woman Laci Peterson. Iraq? That was so three days ago. Local crime rules once again.
Here's a Yahoo News report on Clinton's remarks:
"Former President Bill Clinton blasted U.S. foreign policy adopted in the wake of the September 11 attacks, arguing the United States cannot kill, jail or occupy all of its adversaries.
"'Our paradigm now seems to be: something terrible happened to us on September 11, and that gives us the right to interpret all future events in a way that everyone else in the world must agree with us,' said Clinton, who spoke at a seminar of governance organized by Conference Board.
"'And if they don't, they can go straight to hell.'
"The Democratic former president, who preceded George W. Bush at the White House, said that sooner or later the United States had to find a way to cooperate with the world at large.
"'We can't run,' Clinton pointed out. 'If you got an interdependent world, and you cannot kill, jail or occupy all your adversaries, sooner or later you have to make a deal.'
"He said he believed Washington overreacted to German and French opposition to U.S. plans for military action against Iraq and suggested that the current administration had trouble juggling foreign and domestic issues.
To read the full article......
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04-16-03, 02:12 PM #2
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Uh....Bill...you ain't President anymore. Why don't ya go fishin', or see how yer library is doin' or somethin'. How's yer office in Harlem anyway? Ain't ya got a book to finish or somethin'?
04-17-03, 04:17 PM #3
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Hey you have to watch how to talk about this guy....things happen -- All coincidental I am sure........
Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon.
1. James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2. Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story
of sexual harassment in the White House.
3. Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head; ruled a suicide.
4. Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
5. C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser- Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization. Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6. Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director
found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992.
Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
7. Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8. Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. ! Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9. James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names
of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10. James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11. Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere.
Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12. Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound. Also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13. Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater,
died by jumping out a windo! w of a tall building January, 1994.
His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14. Florence Martin - Accountant and sub-contractor for the CIA,
was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case.
He died of three gunshot wounds.
15. Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head; ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16. Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident..
17. Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation..
18. Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption a! t Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment.
Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.
19. Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.
20. Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer.
Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21. Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance. Died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22. Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clin! ton's mother, stepfather and brother.
23. Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas; death was no accident.
24. Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic. Found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25. Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee.
His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26. Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said .... "due to falling asleep on railroad tracks."
Later reports claim the two boys ! had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION
IN THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28. Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 88.
29. Keith McMaskle - Died. (A slight understatment)
Stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988
30. Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31. Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33. James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
34. Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35. Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths.
He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36. Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37. Captain Scott J. Reynolds
38. Sgt. Brian Hanley
39. Sgt. Tim Sabel
40. Major General William Robertson
41. Col. William Densberger
42. Col. Robert Kelly
43. Spec.. Gary Rhodes
44. Steve Willis
45. Robert Williams
46. Conway LeBleu
47. Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list!
Last edited by wrbones; 04-18-03 at 12:00 AM.
04-17-03, 10:34 PM #4
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An in-consequential list compared to what the losses may have been if our Armed Forces had been forced to go to war during the last 2 yrs of Clinton's rein of fiscal terror-under trained, under equipped, & under manned.
04-18-03, 03:55 PM #5
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Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:55 p.m. EDT
Gingrich: Clinton Suffers From 'Victory Envy'
Ex-President Bill Clinton can't resist criticizing President Bush almost every chance he gets because he's suffering from an acute case of "victory envy."
So says former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who discussed the phenomenon of the continually carping ex-president Wednesday with nationally syndicated radio host Sean Hannity.
"President Clinton suffers from a very bad case of victory envy," the one-time top Republican contended, before defining the term.
"Victory envy is when you're a loser and you didn't have any victories and now you see a guy who did it for real. And you realize that after all your puny Tomahawk missiles and your puny midnight or 2 a.m. attacks on the information building - I mean, all the different pathetic things that President Clinton did in foreign policy - suddenly you see what a real commander in chief and a real president is like."
"I think President Clinton can't take it," Gingrich explained. "I think he's being so critical and so harsh because it drives him a little nutty to see what a real commander in chief who really understands the presidency and who's really prepared to stand up and defend America is doing."
The architect of the GOP's 1994 congressional takeover differentiated between recent criticism of Bush leveled by ex-President Carter and Clinton's running commentary from the sidelines.
"Carter has consistently been for weakness and ineffectiveness in foreign policy his whole career," he told Hannity. "But there is some integrity there."
For Clinton, the former speaker contended, "it's personal."
"He failed. He didn't get the job done. He didn't get rid of Saddam. He didn't get rid of bin Laden," Gingrich noted. "George W. Bush is doing the job and I think that it drives Bill Clinton nuts to see the difference between his performance and President Bush."
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