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  1. #16
    LOL...i never said i was a redneck...but you guessed it and no i dont take i as an insult...kinda like a badge of backwoods honor


  2. #17
    Also im not your typical redneck. I agree that most rednecks are some bad shots when it comes to precision rifle shooting, most of this resulting from years of wing shooting causing them to have the worst trigger control in the world. I don't wing shoot. My talents are focused strictly on precision rifle shooting. You can bet your arse that there isnt anybody better than a redneck to cover you in a firefight though. This i believe relates to reflex shooting under pressure, something that we rednecks/hillbillies/stump jumpers know how to do. I have a shooting buddy whose father teaches marine reserves shooting with night vision and stuff like that and is a VERY VERY good shot. Should i have him teach me to shoot the AR-15 before i attend bootcamp(theirs is an exact replica of the marine A-2) or just leave it alone?


  3. #18
    You can have him teach you if you want- but I promise you that he can't even begin to teach you what the PMI at boot camp will teach you. The Marine Corps takes marksmanship very seriously, and over the last (almost) 232 years they've figured out how to teach people to hit what they aim at.

    If anyone fails to qualify as an expert, it is because they failed to do as they were instructed. Of course, the Sharpshooters and Marksmen are also better than just about anyone you'll come across. They just didn't take enough of what they were taught and apply it on the range.

    As for a firefight, I'll take a city boy Marine over any country boy in the world- unless that country boy happens to be a Marine as well. Shooting birds and deer isn't the same as shooting at people- especially since the people tend to shoot back.


  4. #19
    Very true…I think I will just forget everything I know and go in as a clean slate. It will be easier that way. As for the city marine vs. country boy thing I have to agree with you there but I was referring to a country boy marine. I wouldn’t trust most of these jokers with a firework much less an M-16 before they went through basic training. (can you believe that in a school of 200 there were more than 3 accidental shootings in the 3 years I was there)


  5. #20
    Get your sight correctly aim breath and slowly squeeze the triger remember one shot one kill. Relax and listen to your PMI. Score well and make your DI-s happy. It is not hard listen and apply what you learn and you get a week to learn your rifle remember they are many rifles but that one is your rifle and you are the defenders of your country. You and your rifle are one the most dangerous man on earth a Marine and his rifle. Semper Fi Mack


  6. #21
    Thats some motivating stuff right there. Thanks


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    Hey Guys None Of My Business But ,556 Ammo Doesn't Compare To 308 Ammo,i Own An M4,and A Modified M14,accuracy Really Comes Into Play When Its Either Too Hot Or To Cold,what Time Of Day It Is,what The Windage Is.i'm What You'ld Call A Rookie Marine,but I Cam Take My M14 And Hit A Target At 1720meters,would That Qualify Me As An Expert,or Just Pretty Damn Good?


  8. #23
    Depends on what optics you have on the gun and how big the target it. But, for the purposes of this conversation, the KD course with an M-16A2 determines whether you're an expert or not.


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    true in some aspects,having the right leupold,with the right milldot scope,shooting downrange does make for an easier target,size to me doesn't matter,without a scope,even with an m-16a2 at a 1000 feetyou should be able to remove old georges face from a quarter,i know i can.just instinctive firing from an old tennessee country boy,just like oklahoma boys,wouldn't you say,babblumar.


  10. #25

    Good Ole George

    Quote Originally Posted by redboxercasino
    true in some aspects,having the right leupold,with the right milldot scope,shooting downrange does make for an easier target,size to me doesn't matter,without a scope,even with an m-16a2 at a 1000 feetyou should be able to remove old georges face from a quarter,i know i can.just instinctive firing from an old tennessee country boy,just like oklahoma boys,wouldn't you say,babblumar.

    Like this?

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  11. #26

    Since I had my camera out,,,,and since we're talking about rifle experts,,,

    Here's my previously mentioned AR-15 with GySgt. Hathcock's signature on it.

    One Shot One Kill

    Semer Fi Marines

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    i like it.now if your bullet could find my head,then i wouldn't have to keep living in hell like i am now


  13. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by redboxercasino
    i like it.now if your bullet could find my head,then i wouldn't have to keep living in hell like i am now.
    Hey Mike, I was looking at your bio and I read some of your prior posts and too be honest some things don't make sense to me. Did you actually graduate USMC boot camp or not? Your avatar lists you as a Marine Private but if you didn't graduate boot camp then that isn't correct. I apologize if I'm wrong but it appears you we're separated from casual co.? Also, when you post would you please capitalize the M in Marine, and the C in Corps. It's this little attention to detail that makes us Marines what we are!


  14. #29
    As the others said, listen to your PMI and your range coaches. They won't do you wrong. There is a reason that the training schedule in boot camp dedicates an entire week to marksmanship classes and snapping in before you even get to fire (called grass week). What they tell you about sight alignment, sight picture, bone support, trigger control, windage calls, etc is not BS, it will help you put that round in the black like a surgeon cutting with a knife. Also, since Oct 1st, the rifle range scoring system has changed. Instead of 250 points, it is now 350 points, with 305 or better being expert. Qualification consists of the standard 250 point KD course, plus another 50 rounds (2 points per round) doing EMP-type shooting with multiple targets, hammer drills, position changes, head shots, moving targets, speed reloads, etc. This is supposedly to make sure that Marines can fire as effectively in combat as we can on the KD course. Quick tip: when they tell you you have 5 seconds (or whatever) to complete a certain drill, don't let the time limits f*** with your head. You have plenty of time, and the fundamentals still apply. I just did my annual qual a couple weeks ago, and this new system screwed some guys up because they got scared of the time limits and rushed their shots. You must still apply the fundamentals you will be taught and take good shots, and you will do fine on both portions of the qualification. Don't take my word for it though, I'm just a third award expert


  15. #30
    Hey this is kinda off topic. I looked in the forums but i couldnt find a definative answer. I know that you can have personal weapons on base but they have to be in the armory. Whats the policy for personal weapons in combat...specifically sidearms. Do they have to be approved by chain of command or something. I have a Glock 17 that im very attached too.


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