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    Exclamation Kennedy assassination :Gunny Hathcock's take

    Kennedy Assassination:

    Retired Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is likewise skeptical of Oswald's alleged shooting feat. Hathcock is a former senior instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock:

    "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did". (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90).

    Craig Roberts, sniper (USMC), 26-year police veteran, specialist in sniper and counter-sniper tactics, author of the book Kill Zone, which is a professional sniper’s perspective of the JFK assassination, which blows the lone nutter theory right out of the water. (Note: I consider Craig a personal friend and collaborator on the JFK case, and I strongly recommend careful study of his book.

    Craig can be reached via email at craig@ionet.net, if memory serves.
    Carlos “Gunny” Hathcock, sniper (USMC), the Marine Corps’ premier sniper with 93 confirmed kills including history’s longest single kill-shot of 2,500 meters, nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor for action in Vietnam, former chief instructor of the USMC Sniper’s School, at Quantico, Virginia. (Note: Gunny Hathcock proved the impossibility of the lone-nutter scenario during tests he personally conducted at Quantico, and although he is now suffering from MS he is still more than happy to poke holes in the lone-nutter scenario. He can be reached through Craig Roberts.) (NOTE: Since the writing of this article, Gunny has gone on his final patrol. God keep you Gunny!



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    A lot of people to this day still don't believe the Warren Commission's findings. It has always seemed highly improbable that a lone shooter using a bolt action rifle could have pulled that off. If memory serves me correctly, Oswald never qualified or never qualified above Marksman. The Commisiion obviously did not rely on the real experts to form its conclusions.

    At least with RFK it was evident who did the actual shooting.


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    10thZ:

    By the way, why the political advertisement?


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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi170
    10thZ:

    By the way, why the political advertisement?
    Not an advertisement, it is the next Republican President ! After all I'm a registered Republican and it is still a free country, isn't it ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi170
    A lot of people to this day still don't believe the Warren Commission's findings. It has always seemed highly improbable that a lone shooter using a bolt action rifle could have pulled that off. If memory serves me correctly, Oswald never qualified or never qualified above Marksman. The Commisiion obviously did not rely on the real experts to form its conclusions.

    At least with RFK it was evident who did the actual shooting.
    Oswald was a sharpshooter and the Mannlicher-Carcano Italian rifle most critics disparage as a poor choice for use in an assassination. It has a reputation for being notoriously inaccurate' and that the Italians had dubbed it 'the humanitarian rifle' since it was never known to hurt anyone. The Carcano is 'universally condemned as inaccurate and slow' and 'the ammunition is old and unreliable'. ."

    BTW, those two shooters on the gassy knoll are buried in the desert ! How do I know, I still have the shovel


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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thzodiac
    Oswald was a sharpshooter]

    I have always understood that Oswald was a "Marksman", not a "Sharpshooter" as you have said.


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    read this, I worked for the ACCO. Dr Cyril Wecht was my boss. I have all his books,what a genious he is. Believe the truth or don't a fact is a fact,and knowing what this man says,you can believe it. It is highly improbable that Oswald did it alone. If he was even involved. Not enough evidence for me.........

    After participating in many hundreds of crime scenes and autopsies,anyone would have a very very hardtime convincing me otherwise. You could'nt ever understand unless you knew what I was talking about.....

    bootlace15 out


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    The Mannlicher-Carcano rifle cocks on the bolt going home not on the lifting of the bolt. 95% of bolt action rifles cock on the lifting of the bolt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi170
    A lot of people to this day still don't believe the Warren Commission's findings. It has always seemed highly improbable that a lone shooter using a bolt action rifle could have pulled that off. If memory serves me correctly, Oswald never qualified or never qualified above Marksman. The Commisiion obviously did not rely on the real experts to form its conclusions.

    At least with RFK it was evident who did the actual shooting.
    Who financed it though?


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    Video

    Quote Originally Posted by ggyoung
    The Mannlicher-Carcano rifle cocks on the bolt going home not on the lifting of the bolt. 95% of bolt action rifles cock on the lifting of the bolt.
    Has anyone seen this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACT0aKWEAow


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    In my opinion, that clip is barely better than the Penn and Teller demo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greensideout
    I have always understood that Oswald was a "Marksman", not a "Sharpshooter" as you have said.
    GSO, you tell me

    During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M-1 Garand semi-automatic rifle). Although, in May 1959, he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification than that of sharpshooter).

    Military experts, after examining his records, characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males of his age, "an excellent shot".

    However, Nelson Delgado, a marine in the same unit as Oswald, used to laugh at Oswald's shooting prowess and testified that Oswald often got "Maggie's drawers". He also said that Oswald didn't seem to care if he missed or not.


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    Never Happened

    First of all, Oswald was not a marksman, he never qualified period while in the Corps. Second of all, I know the real truth about Kennedy's Death, as I was privy to the Lead FBI investigator who after many yr's of not able to talk about it, he came to the Sheriff's academy I was in at the time, and he told the real story. The sniper in Quantico and other's, haven't yet been able to duplicate what, purported, Oswald did. Most of his rounds hit the bridge in front of the motorcade. I think this subject should be moved to the new site, Politics. End of story.....


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    ANYONE KNOW,HOW FAR WAS THE 'BAC OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S HEAD;FROM WHERE OSWALD WAS IN THE DEPOSITORY WINDOW?AS A STRAIGHT LINE???


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    No way he could see it

    Fits, ain't no way he could see it.....the angles were not in his favor. He was a decoy....I speak the truth. SF


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