"The Plot to Seize The White House"

[10thzodiac]

This book has achieved the "rare" book status. Rumor has it that copies are being bought up to erase its existence, ending its stain on reputations on rich families with embarrasing ancestery.

The story in brief is Marine General Smedley Butler was approached to lead a coup d'etat to overthrow democracy in 1933 & 1934. (Reminding modern readers, 1933 was the year Hitler assumed power in Germany.) He declined, and exposed the plot. The plotters then employed the "OJ Simpson" theory of defense: "if you have enough money you can get away with murder."

http://www.chris-floyd.com/plot/The_..._Jules_Archer/

http://www.chris-floyd.com/plot/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

SF
10th

[DWG]

Be fair Zodiac-a lot of them died suspiciously! As long as there is an internet the info will be out there, the problem is that most people don't give a crap about history; that's why we keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time (this is a clinical definition of insanity, by the way). The incident you refer to is the only civil war this country ever almost had.

[rktect3j]

Be fair Zodiac-a lot of them died suspiciously! As long as there is an internet the info will be out there, the problem is that most people don't give a crap about history; that's why we keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time (this is a clinical definition of insanity, by the way). The incident you refer to is the only civil war this country ever almost had.

People do care about history, which is why we keep doing the same thing over and over. Sometimes we do it better the second time around.

[jinelson]

Aint that the truth!

[rktect3j]

I bet Milosovich was paying attention to history.
I bet Saddam was paying attention to history.
I bet even the Hutus in Rwanda were quite aware of history.
And I can guarantee you that Ahmadinajad is very accutely aware of history.

Let us hope that the Marines remember their history and that Americans do not forget it either.

[DWG]

Unfortunately, the history they pay attention to is the history on the west taking no action after rattling our sabers and appealling to the un. The only time in recent history we have taken action it has been half-hearted or weakened by "public opinion" and we quit before the job is done. Viet Nam should have taught us to go in(if we have to), let the military do the job it is paid to do(kill people, break things), incarcerate any and all persons who might cause problems(i.e. Germany 1945) and then turn the gov over to people we like/trust when the area is secure. Bush and his advisors pulled the same crap in Fallujah that Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon constantly did in Nam. You don't call a professional and then tell them how to do the job they are trained to do. It sucks, but most Americans have a very short attention span and a worse memory-politicians count on that. To gain victory requires sacrafice that most of our citizens do not want to make. But if we don't do it over there we will be doing it over here and that will really make folks squeal. The military is not a police force and the politicos trying to turn it into one will only weaken it.

[KJ1110]

Something else that we need to keep in mind when it comes to ready access to "history" as it pertains to the internet; the easier it is to access historical sites, the easier it is to manipulate the content on the given site!

The average person is also given to believing the history that supports their pre-conceptions and biases and not further researching it!

It's good to learn history, but better to STUDY history!

[Camper51]

Be fair Zodiac-a lot of them died suspiciously! As long as there is an internet the info will be out there, the problem is that most people don't give a crap about history; that's why we keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time (this is a clinical definition of insanity, by the way). The incident you refer to is the only civil war this country ever almost had.

How f*cking short is your memory???? We fought a rather major civil war in the 1860's if my memory and schoolbooks serve me correctly...

[DWG]

How f*cking short is your memory???? We fought a rather major civil war in the 1860's if my memory and schoolbooks serve me correctly...

By definition, that was not a "civil war". The Southern States had no desire to take the reins of power away from Washington, D.C., They only desired freedom from what they considered an oppressive government. The Southern States claimed the Constitution gave them the right to dissolve the bonds of union with the north. The Supreme court agreed! It was a revolution, designed to form their own government, separate from the United States. They lost, the Constitution was amended, a Country lived and died in four years.

[drumcorpssnare]

D W George- Wasn't it Clauswitz who said, "War is the result of failed politics." ? When we are at war, shouldn't the politicians keep their noses out of it, and let the warriors do their job?

If I needed an electrician to change a light bulb in my bathroom, I wouldn't call a plumber. He would probably have one foot in the toilet, when he reached for the light socket!

And...if the politicians don't want to let the warriors run the war, they shouldn't vote to send them in the first place!

SEMPER FI !
drumcorpssnare

[DWG]

P.S. The Butler incident was an actual attempt to overthrow the government of the USA and usurp "that communist rooosevellt" as most of the plotters considered him. Jeez, Camper, you don't normally get so irate. BTW, I was at Comm School at Dago while they were abusing your ass on the grinder. Small world.

[DWG]

D W George- Wasn't it Clauswitz who said, "War is the result of failed politics." ?

And...if the politicians don't want to let the warriors run the war, they shouldn't vote to send them in the first place!

SEMPER FI !
drumcorpssnare

Robert Heinlein wrote an excellent book that addressed that very thing, Starship Troopers. The basic premise was you had to be a veteran to be a citizen, you had to be a citizen to hold office, that way no feathermerchant would be sending troops to do something they hadn't been willing to do themselves-always sounded like a good idea to me. And yes, politicians should butt out once they,ve screwed the pooch and given the mess to the military.

[rktect3j]

P.S. The Butler incident was an actual attempt to overthrow the government of the USA and usurp "that communist rooosevellt" as most of the plotters considered him. Jeez, Camper, you don't normally get so irate. BTW, I was at Comm School at Dago while they were abusing your ass on the grinder. Small world.

This has happened before aroun 1805. I read a book called the Barbary Pirates, I think. At any rate it was about Tripoli. After that thought they went into how Eaton had been in touch with a man out in the new frontier wanted to overthrow or at least split up the Americas. Wish I could remember more. At any rate Eaton told Jeffereson and it was squashed.

[DWG]

New England threatened secession during the war of 1812 and refused to send troops to fight. British agent in Canada kept them stirred up for years and some think the abolisionist movement was inspired by the British to create divisiveness in the States. Lotta cool stuff in history they don't tell you about in school.

[Camper51]

The fact that countrymen took up arms against their government makes it a civil war. Just because they said it was a secession does not make it otherwise...