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07-06-02, 06:28 AM #1
Phuc United Airlines
A bro o mine posted this over at another club i belong to....the same damn thing happened to Joe Foss a few months back...just another damn example of what's wrong with our Country !!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sergeant Major Larry E. Gugle, USMC, Retired
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: John Finn Humiliated by United Airlines last week
All,
I just received this from Colonel Wesley L. Fox, USMC, Retired (The only surviving Medal of Honor Recipient from the 1st Battalion, 9th Marines in Vietnam):
Greetings, I am both saddened and outraged to pass along the following:
Last week John Finn, at age 93 (he'll be 94 on July 24th) was returning from a reunion of the USS Hancock in New Orleans. His escorts were unable to continue with him beyond security, and were not aware until the following day that John was:
1) Accused of having a potential weapon in his pocket; a five pointed object with "sharp" edges ... security AGAIN could not differentiate between the Navy Medal Of Honor and a martial arts throwing "star" ...
2) Held in a security area and forced to remove his boots. John, despite his bad knees and advanced age, has trouble even getting his boots on or off, but in the style that is uniquely John's, he wears them everywhere he goes.
3) Denied any personal help, up to - and including - a wheel chair, and held despite a bad case of diarrhea until he was most sadly humiliated and had to change his clothing.
4) Told that his United Airlines ticket would not be honored unless he could produce the credit card that bought it. ("... For all we know, this ticket was purchased with a stolen credit card," he was told.) Since the ticket had been purchased by the president of the USS Hancock Association, John was unable to produce the demanded credit card, and therefore had to write a personal check in order to obtain another ticket to get back home.
FRANKLY, I am outraged, especially after the Joe Foss incident a few months ago and the coverage it received. Despite that, these airport employees STILL can't recognize our Nation's highest award for military heroism. For this to happen to John Finn, or any Medal Of Honor recipient for that matter, is an extreme tragedy and shame.
The President of the United States
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to
FINN, JOHN WILLIAM
Rank and organization: Lieutenant, U.S. Navy. Place and date: Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, Territory of Hawaii, 7 December 1941. Entered service at: California. Born: 23 July 1909, Los Angeles, Calif.
Citation:
For extraordinary heroism distinguished service, and devotion above and beyond the call of duty. During the first attack by Japanese airplanes on the Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, on 7 December 1941, Lt. Finn promptly secured and manned a .50-caliber machinegun mounted on an instruction stand in a completely exposed section of the parking ramp, which was under heavy enemy machinegun strafing fire. Although painfully wounded many times, he continued to man this gun and to return the enemy's fire vigorously and with telling effect throughout the enemy strafing and bombing attacks and with complete disregard for his own personal safety. It was only by specific orders that he was persuaded to leave his post to seek medical attention. Following first aid treatment, although obviously suffering much pain and moving with great difficulty, he returned to the squadron area and actively supervised the rearming of returning planes. His extraordinary heroism and conduct in this action were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.
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The leadership of the USS Hancock Association has vented their outrage in letters to the White House, the American Legion, VFW, United Airlines, and others.
Semper Fidelis
Sergeant Major Larry E. Gugle
(United States Marine Corps, Retired)
1st Battalion 9th Marines (1/9) Network, Inc.
Membership Committee Chairman
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07-06-02, 07:11 AM #2
Did I Read That Right???
...The guy shit his pants whilst going through the security cluster screw?!? UAL oughta be downright ashamed of the security personnel involved. Random checks my ass! I agree Dane Phuc 'em! My list of desireable airlines upon which to travel is shrinking every day!!!
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07-06-02, 07:50 AM #3
It's about dignity and respect.
It's what everything comes down to. You never know who's sitting beside you. Could be Jet Li. Kick yer a$$ in a heart beat. Could be some billionaire captain of industry. Could be a hero, who suffered to make you and me free. Could be someone you might learn something from. Could be someone you might be able to teach a little something to help them get along a little better in this present "vale of tears". We've been force fed fear for quite some time by the media and I'm sorry to say , by folks in our government. Fear creates discord, and gives folks in position of power a chance to gain more power, no matter the cost. As always follow the money. Who benefits, and who loses, and what. Keep your eyes open, people, My opinion, and that's all it is, is that things are only gonna get worse. The behaviour of those folks is shameful. Hope their Mom's and Dad's are proud of of 'em all.
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07-06-02, 09:02 AM #4
Why isn't this story in the news?
I am virtually beyond all emotion... but anger.
I can't believe we allow this treatment by the airlines to continue.
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07-06-02, 09:23 AM #5
MEDAL OF HONOR!!!!!
Here is a picture of John Finn, thought you all might like to see him.
Sempers,
Roger
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07-06-02, 09:59 AM #6
Nothing Would Surprise Me
I frequently travel. And UAL is my least favorite carrier. In fact, when I was traveling the other week with another Marine, we had the opportunity to witness the poor customer relations environment. When the other Marine sought and finally got the attention of someone from UAL, he went off. Surprisingly, the company's CEO had been talking with the employee who became the focus of the Marine's complaint. The CEO was totally shocked about the things he heard about his company's customer service and explained his company's customer satisfaction rating had never been higher.
The events and actions outlined in this post are nothing short of disgusting. UAL should be ashamed of its treatment of this hero and should have practices in place to handle similar situations with elderly passengers and those who may require assistance. If this story were to make the headlines or the newscast, UAL would be getting tons of hate mail. What do you think it would do to their chances of getting the government loans they recently asked for?? UAL should come clean. Apologize and beg for forgiveness.
Sixguns
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07-06-02, 10:35 AM #7
JOHN FINN
More biography and pictures of John Finn while he was in Service at this url:
http://www.quarterdeck.org/book/finn.htm
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07-06-02, 01:57 PM #8
Not surprised!!
This is what happens when good, old-fashioned 'common sense' gets lost. This country has become so afraid to make 'a mistake' that it has gone to extremes.
As I saw elesewhere, what can you expect from a society that wouldn't know a 'Medal Of Honor', or any other award for bravery, if it hit them in the face.
ALL veterans ought to write United and promise to never fly on their airline again until they issue a national public apology to Mr. Finn (press, radio and TV).
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07-07-02, 08:50 PM #9
u.f.a.l.
these miserable S.O.B'S wont never own up! too damn worried 'bout their 'ALL-MIGHTY DOLLARS' they'll never get a buck off'n me!
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07-07-02, 11:00 PM #10
If this story is completly factual then we need to respond with written and verbal force, our voices need to be heard on this issue.
help me in complaining to the proper people, email them to death until we get answers.
here's one link to UAL Complaints. I would suggest CNN and for you retired and ones out of the Marines. Email the CMC about it. boycott UAL and book with another travel company for business and personal travel.
http://www.ual.com/site/primaryNC/1,13494,2076,00.html
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07-07-02, 11:04 PM #11
Re: Phuc United Airlines
Originally posted by NamGrunt68
A bro o mine posted this over at another club i belong to....the same damn thing happened to Joe Foss a few months back...just another damn example of what's wrong with our Country !!!!
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07-07-02, 11:13 PM #12
Re: Nothing Would Surprise Me
Originally posted by Sixguns
... UAL is my least favorite carrier...
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07-07-02, 11:13 PM #13
Re: Phuc United Airlines
Originally posted by NamGrunt68
A bro o mine posted this over at another club i belong to....the same damn thing happened to Joe Foss a few months back...just another damn example of what's wrong with our Country !!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sergeant Major Larry E. Gugle, USMC, Retired
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: John Finn Humiliated by United Airlines last week
All,
I just received this from Colonel Wesley L. Fox, USMC, Retired (The only surviving Medal of Honor Recipient from the 1st Battalion, 9th Marines in Vietnam):
Greetings, I am both saddened and outraged to pass along the following:
Last week John Finn, at age 93 (he'll be 94 on July 24th) was returning from a reunion of the USS Hancock in New Orleans. His escorts were unable to continue with him beyond security, and were not aware until the following day that John was:
1) Accused of having a potential weapon in his pocket; a five pointed object with "sharp" edges ... security AGAIN could not differentiate between the Navy Medal Of Honor and a martial arts throwing "star" ...
2) Held in a security area and forced to remove his boots. John, despite his bad knees and advanced age, has trouble even getting his boots on or off, but in the style that is uniquely John's, he wears them everywhere he goes.
3) Denied any personal help, up to - and including - a wheel chair, and held despite a bad case of diarrhea until he was most sadly humiliated and had to change his clothing.
4) Told that his United Airlines ticket would not be honored unless he could produce the credit card that bought it. ("... For all we know, this ticket was purchased with a stolen credit card," he was told.) Since the ticket had been purchased by the president of the USS Hancock Association, John was unable to produce the demanded credit card, and therefore had to write a personal check in order to obtain another ticket to get back home.
FRANKLY, I am outraged, especially after the Joe Foss incident a few months ago and the coverage it received. Despite that, these airport employees STILL can't recognize our Nation's highest award for military heroism. For this to happen to John Finn, or any Medal Of Honor recipient for that matter, is an extreme tragedy and shame.
The President of the United States
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to
FINN, JOHN WILLIAM
Rank and organization: Lieutenant, U.S. Navy. Place and date: Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, Territory of Hawaii, 7 December 1941. Entered service at: California. Born: 23 July 1909, Los Angeles, Calif.
Citation:
For extraordinary heroism distinguished service, and devotion above and beyond the call of duty. During the first attack by Japanese airplanes on the Naval Air Station, Kaneohe Bay, on 7 December 1941, Lt. Finn promptly secured and manned a .50-caliber machinegun mounted on an instruction stand in a completely exposed section of the parking ramp, which was under heavy enemy machinegun strafing fire. Although painfully wounded many times, he continued to man this gun and to return the enemy's fire vigorously and with telling effect throughout the enemy strafing and bombing attacks and with complete disregard for his own personal safety. It was only by specific orders that he was persuaded to leave his post to seek medical attention. Following first aid treatment, although obviously suffering much pain and moving with great difficulty, he returned to the squadron area and actively supervised the rearming of returning planes. His extraordinary heroism and conduct in this action were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.
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The leadership of the USS Hancock Association has vented their outrage in letters to the White House, the American Legion, VFW, United Airlines, and others.
Semper Fidelis
Sergeant Major Larry E. Gugle
(United States Marine Corps, Retired)
1st Battalion 9th Marines (1/9) Network, Inc.
Membership Committee Chairman
Ya know, Brother, I aint so young any more, and the time I have to think about maybe takin a **** or a **** aint that far between ****ten or ****in my drawers!
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07-07-02, 11:19 PM #14Originally posted by mpwildes
If this story is completly factual then we need to respond with written and verbal force, our voices need to be heard on this issue.
help me in complaining to the proper people, email them to death until we get answers.
here's one link to UAL Complaints. I would suggest CNN and for you retired and ones out of the Marines. Email the CMC about it. boycott UAL and book with another travel company for business and personal travel.
http://www.ual.com/site/primaryNC/1,13494,2076,00.html
Hey, where are you on Oki? Man, I bet that place has changed since the late sixties.
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07-07-02, 11:22 PM #15
Re: Re: Phuc United Airlines
Originally posted by mineman6970
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Ya know, Brother, I aint so young any more, and the time I have to think about maybe takin a **** or a **** aint that far between ****ten or ****in my drawers!
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