Newbie here so please don't hurt me!

[Marine84]

AMEN! Sorry girls - I AM a WM and I whole heartedly agree with the guys on this one. You youngsters have no freakin' clue as to how deep in $hit your a$$e$ would be on a frontline. You're all motivated and that's a good thing but when push comes to shove..............you wouldn't make it long. You would be looking for the fastest way out.

You can sit there and talk all this big $hit about how you can beat a few guys doing this and that but you are - if you're beating the guys at anything physical involving heavy $hit, they're LETTING you beat them. DUH! Wake up ya'll! Don't get me wrong, you guys are probably good at whatever it is that you're doing for the Corps but.............don't quit your day job if they ever open up a frontline for women, you'll be wanting it back after a few minutes.

[jennifer]

hmmmm. i understand... thanks you guys all do have a point...

[Camper51]

And would you feel the same way while wiping the blood and guts off your face from your buddy next to you who took the shot meant for you??? Front lines is NOT a place for the meek, male or female. You may want to go but after seeing it come alive you would quickly rethink your position and wish you were back home in mommy's arms again cuz the front lines are NOT so f*cking exciting and never will be. You will be ****ting your britches just like every other SOB sitting next to you that is hearing the crack of bullets and smelling cordite in the wind and truly knowing that YOUR name may be on that next bullet or piece of shrapnel flying by.... I know I would rather not have to worry about trying too hard to save some female when I should be doing other things in the heat of battle. It might not be right but that is the way it is, was and always will be....Men will go overboard, and many times in the WRONG way to protect what they percieve as "their" women and wind up putting their own asses, along with their comrades, in a sling.

There I have said it and will accept the flak. No one else said the obvious to the men who are against women in combat at the front lines.

Semper FI

[jennifer]

thanks... and ya i know camper... but i still say there are some females that can do it... lol, heck they were probably born half male... whats the specific name for that?

Men will go overboard, and many times in the WRONG way to protect what they percieve as "their" women and wind up putting their own asses, along with their comrades, in a sling.

There I have said it and will accept the flak. No one else said the obvious to the men who are against women in combat at the front lines.

Semper FI

[greensideout]

thanks... and ya i know camper... but i still say there are some females that can do it... lol, heck they were probably born half male... whats the specific name for that?

According to Webster;

"penis envy n : an unverbalized longing that in psychoanalytic theory is attributed to the female and is based on a desire to be a male"

You asked

[lnwolf40]

I am a retired female Marine and will have to agree with the Male Marines, the front line is not a place for a woman. I to have carried an 85lb pack on my back and humped many miles. I would not trade my experiences as Marine and no matter how tough you think you are it is not as easy as it sounds to take someone else's life. The memories that you will endure to see fellow Marines dying and in the event you have to take the enemy's life are not things that you will ever forget or will you talk about it. You are young and believe that the part you play not on the front lines but behind them is just as important. America will never allow women to serve on the front lines not that it is more painful or hurtful to have a man come home in a body bag but America will not accept a woman in a body bag. So just suck it up and realize the part you play is an important one.

[Lorix]

So if I were to get a.... (don't know how to say this in proper terms so I'll just say it)... sex change, do you think they would allow me on the front lines?

[greensideout]

I am a retired female Marine and will have to agree with the Male Marines, the front line is not a place for a woman. I to have carried an 85lb pack on my back and humped many miles. I would not trade my experiences as Marine and no matter how tough you think you are it is not as easy as it sounds to take someone else's life. The memories that you will endure to see fellow Marines dying and in the event you have to take the enemy's life are not things that you will ever forget or will you talk about it. You are young and believe that the part you play not on the front lines but behind them is just as important. America will never allow women to serve on the front lines not that it is more painful or hurtful to have a man come home in a body bag but America will not accept a woman in a body bag. So just suck it up and realize the part you play is an important one.

That could not have been said better! We "male" Marines very much appreciate the role that Women Marines fulfill in the Marine Corps!

[Hocker]

Female grunts umm. "I can hump 30 k's with 90lbs pack" OK good for you.
90lbs ain't squat ,I can run 30 k's with a 90lbs pack(at a good pace), lets add a 81mm base plate , the tubes , 60mm mortar tubes and plate, ammo rounds, M60 with ammo cans and extra barrels M-54 dragon (javelin) law rockets m249 with ammo pouches, water 5 gal. containers, extra food, hump the s h i t 30 klicks then fight , I'm going to tell you your dick is dragin dirt big time.

The word Grunt has a real meaning grrruuntt. Eat your MRE with that nice choco bar with pectin (parifin wax) keeps you regular to about 1 s h i t every 5 days you eat has much as you can because craping is something you dont want to be doing, and when you do **** its in your f'n pants no latrine you **** and **** right in your marine green trousers.
I wont get into to the other stuff cause its down right nasty ,its hot ,its always hot as a mother f'er, and your always thirsty and hungry.
Thats why I said if you BAM's wanna start a all female grunt Bn. go for its about time .
We have a word for it it called "cannon fodder" you can burn their ammo up for us ,cook off their barrels Sempir Fi

[Lorix]

I (dis)agree! I have not been given the opportunity to hump 30 k w/ 90 lbs pack. The most I had to hump was a 15k at MCT (a lot of other humps too), that one I did with a full Sally pack (all my cammies, all my skivvies, extra pair of boots, kevlar, M16A2, everything down to my toothbrush and baby wipes. I was told the average pack weighed 110 lbs, but overpacked like mine was (I purposely overpacked to prove that it was possible for a female to do it), it weighed more than that. Plus we did it in a hurricane, I rained the whole time, everything was soaked (which increased the weight of the pack even more), and I don't mean sprinkling, I mean rain, my boots didn't dry out for days. Some points we were going through mud knee deep, had to pull a few of us out of that. Now that it's over, I made it and I am proud. Didn't need any help, I could do it myself. Do not underestimate the strength of a female Marine, of a REAL female Marine. I would gladly do whatever distance whatever weight, anytime anywhere if it would prove to you it is possible for a female Marine to achieve whatever standards you have in place.

I would never complain, no matter how bad it hurt. I am the type of woman that will never ask a male for help. I am very independant, I don't need a male to help me through a hump or whatever the case maybe.

As far as MRE's go, I think they're pretty good. So what if I can't take a sh!t in awhile, sounds good to me. And I have basic knowledge on how to properly disemble a M240G and the M2 .50 cal, and change the barrel, I can do it all by myself. I have fired them, I know how to operate them and would surprise you.

I am not a woman of words, I am a woman of action. I agree, female infantry battalion. Either we would get the easy stuff because of the "political incorrectness" of it, or the really hard stuff to make us "quit" show that it is the job of a male. It's going to be years, probably decades before females are allowed in the infantry.

[hrscowboy]

yep PFC Lorix you said it, It will be years upon years before women will allowed in the infantry and by that time you are going to be a real old woman..

[Wyoming]

So if I were to get a.... (don't know how to say this in proper terms so I'll just say it)... sex change, do you think they would allow me on the front lines?

Jeez, is there an argument coming out of you EACH time you open your mouth?

[Marine84]

Yes it is Big Al - she just slapped ME in the face with that "REAL" female Marine crap that she's spurtin' out the side of her neck AGAIN! Get a sex change Lorix - the only problem you'll have then will be whether to see a GYN or a proctologist.

Inwolf40 - don't you feel like you just got slapped?

[CAS3]

MEN AND WOMEN MARINES...
Please keep this forum for women Marine issues.
If you would like to debate the women in combat issue, call your congressman or go to the duty hut on this site.
Thank you,
Colleen

[BigCat1]

Jennifer....just look at your own quote "WARS MAY BE FOUGHT WITH WEAPONS BUT THEY ARE WON BY MEN" Being a former combat Marine myself, let me tell you young lady....Women have NO PLACE in combat. NONE!!!