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  1. #46
    yellowwing
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    That story is in another Leatherneck thread. The first record I see of it was September 6th in the New Orleans paper Times-Picayune. It was an unconfirmed eyewitness account from inside the convention center. The little girl was obviously dead nonetheless.


  2. #47
    Disturbng story to say the least.


  3. #48
    Originally posted by yellowwing
    LtGen Honore in his DOD Briefing further confirms that the National Guard was rolling the next day after the National Emergency was declared. Meaning Sunday. LAG asked for it Friday evening.


    Dangit Joseph! Are you going to make me look up all this stuff?
    Brother Wing, Should I start Rolling from Baton Rouge on a Monday, depending on how many times my head hit the ground, does not necessarily mean that I would be in New Orleans any time before Thursday. Note: No reports of the LANG in NO before Thursday! Maybe a couple of officers, but no troops, and no equipment!


  4. #49
    Originally posted by yellowwing
    LtGen Honore in his DOD Briefing further confirms that the National Guard was rolling the next day after the National Emergency was declared. Meaning Sunday. LAG asked for it Friday evening.


    Dangit Joseph! Are you going to make me look up all this stuff?
    Brother Wing, I did a little research and this is what I found.

    To seize control of the mission, Mr. Bush would have had to invoke the Insurrection Act, which allows the president in times of unrest to command active-duty forces into the states to perform law enforcement duties. But decision makers in Washington felt certain that Ms. Blanco would have resisted surrendering control, as Bush administration officials believe would have been required to deploy active-duty combat forces before law and order had been re-established.

    While combat troops can conduct relief missions without the legal authority of the Insurrection Act, Pentagon and military officials say that no active-duty forces could have been sent into the chaos of New Orleans on Wednesday or Thursday without confronting law-and-order challenges.

    But just as important to the administration were worries about the message that would have been sent by a president ousting a Southern governor of another party from command of her National Guard, according to administration, Pentagon and Justice Department officials.

    "Can you imagine how it would have been perceived if a president of the United States of one party had pre-emptively taken from the female governor of another party the command and control of her forces, unless the security situation made it completely clear that she was unable to effectively execute her command authority and that lawlessness was the inevitable result?"

    Officials in Louisiana agree that the governor would not have given up control over National Guard troops in her state as would have been required to send large numbers of active-duty soldiers into the area. But they also say they were desperate and would have welcomed assistance by active-duty soldiers.

    On the issue of whether the military could be deployed without the invitation of state officials, the Office of Legal Counsel, the unit within the Justice Department that provides legal advice to federal agencies, concluded that the federal government had authority to move in even over the objection of local officials.

    This act was last invoked in 1992 for the Los Angeles riots, but at the request of Gov. Pete Wilson of California, and has not been invoked over a governor's objections since the civil rights era - and before that, to the time of the Civil War. The Bush administration, Pentagon and senior military officials warned that such an extreme measure would have serious legal and political implications.

    Deployment of National Guard soldiers to Iraq, including a brigade from Louisiana, did not affect the relief mission, but Ms. Blanco disagreed.

    "Over the last year, we have had about 5,000 out, at one time," she said. "They are on active duty, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That certainly is a factor."

    By Friday, National Guard reinforcements had arrived, and a truck convoy of 1,000 Guard soldiers brought relief supplies - and order - to the convention center area days after the NOPD had lost the city to the criminals. As I read it, LA NG arrived on Thursday, and they too could not control the Convention Ceter.

    There is still no Marshall Law in NO, because the politicians are afraid politically to use it! It matters not what MONO says, the NG does not believe it exists in the city!


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    Nagalfar,

    And I would do the same. Because I am not worried about political pressure. I don't give a damn if my actions would save somebody's life or not at least I would have given it a try before it was too late.

    Semper Fidelis


  6. #51
    yellowwing
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    Officials in Louisiana agree that the governor would not have given up control over National Guard troops in her state as would have been required to send large numbers of active-duty soldiers into the area. But they also say they were desperate and would have welcomed assistance by active-duty soldiers.
    You may have something there, Joseph. "But they also say...", what kind of statement is that for the Governors office? That sounds FUBAR.


  7. #52
    Bush wants to know whats the problem? the fishing great.
    You dont evan have to leave town to catch your limit




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  9. #54
    That's classic!


  10. #55
    That is too funny... great one Ed..


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    "BLAME GAME." "KING GEORGE?" "HOW CAN HE BE BLAMED?" "GREAT GOING MS. ELLIE." "YOU PUT IT RIGHT ON THE BUTTON FOR ME."
    Without "HURRICANES?" "THE EARTH WOULD BURN UP." Scientific fact. They do something along the "equator" to balance things.
    People need to start re-thinking, re-doing, plans for any disaster. Be it the Gov. of a State, or whomever. There is no blame for human error. As we are just human. And we all make mistakes.
    If they knew that someday "again" New Orleans would take a blow? Why didn't somebody learn from it? My question/or interlude is this; "WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TERRORIST'S ARE WATCHING?" "BOY HOWDY...." "THEY SEE HOW SO MUCH WENT WRONG, HOW UN-PREPARED OUR NATION IS FOR ANY DISASTER."
    This is what bother's me. They, "TERRORIST'S" aren't stupid. And we need to "WAKE UP!!" "THE NEXT DISASTER MIGHT NOT BE THE WEATHER." "GOD HELP US ALL."


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