Is it too late?

[femalemarine_89]

There are ways to run a criminal background. But you need a ss #, Bdate, Name.. Sounds to me like he is hiding something.. To be honest I dont want him in OUR CORPS.. If he lied about that what else is he going to lie about. He has already broken the code. He knows what he was doing.. No damn recruiter I know would ever tell someone something like that.. SO that is another strike.. I dont believe anything unknown has said..

[bates_iyaoyas]

well GySgtRet...hate to tell you. But it depends on what type of freaud we are talking. I doubt it is of severe criminal. On the ENTAC all criminal background would have popped up (if he were fingerprinted). On the ENTAC that is what they check for...fingerprinted folks. As far as medical fraud...cmon we know what goes on. You had ADD 5 yrs ago and used Ritalin? Are you sure? That's what I thought. I've seen it all the time. I will say this though, I've never crossed to the dark side, and I am one of the most successful in the RS..even won a NAM...but I do know of many many many who dabble in the gray area.

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas,

I agree with you on the gray area side. What I am talking about and I did not practice this but I have heard of it while is was out on recruiting duty. Is ask an applicant if they have any crminal record, but do not wory about anything that you did before you were 18. Becasue as a juvenile the records are sealed...!!! So little Jonny says I threw a rock at the neighbor's window and broke it and they took my parents to court but I didn't go does that meant that I have a record. well, I am not a lawyer or anything but, in the states of New York it is called (ACD) adjournment Contemplating Dismisle. In some cases it was a very light sentence. I a case that I had were my shipper was leaving right after graduation was arrested and put into a local jail. He tole me about it about 45 days before shipping that he got a ACD. I asked him waht happened he said that he was at a graduation party and that he was charged with drinking under age. KNowing that I have to remain neutral and not influence the outcome I called a few people that I knew and it turned out better than exspected is ACD was for a six month suspension of driving even though he was not driving at the time. I asked if he had to go see a judge and he told me that he did so I just advised him that if he told the judge and there were no garantees that I gave him that maybe if he presented himself in a crdible, honorablr, and serious manner to the judge he may be able to get the ACD dropped. He did what I advised and it worked just guess work on my part. Although he blew his chances as going under a Airwing MOS 65XX gurantee he still shipped on time. As time went by at Parris Island he wrote a couple of times. MAde Pfc out of bootcamp, and still got his choice because he was honest. I do not think that unknown has been hones and I do not think that this recruiter with his or her carere at stake woulkd take this chance. Yes I agree it depends on what kind of fraud you mean. Many times a applicant will think up things on their own and blame other people namely the recruiter and alligate that they were put up to it.

Semper Fidelis

[bates_iyaoyas]

Originally posted by GySgtRet
bates_iyaoyas,

I agree with you on the gray area side. What I am talking about and I did not practice this but I have heard of it while is was out on recruiting duty. Is ask an applicant if they have any crminal record, but do not wory about anything that you did before you were 18. Becasue as a juvenile the records are sealed...!!! So little Jonny says I threw a rock at the neighbor's window and broke it and they took my parents to court but I didn't go does that meant that I have a record. well, I am not a lawyer or anything but, in the states of New York it is called (ACD) adjournment Contemplating Dismisle. In some cases it was a very light sentence. I a case that I had were my shipper was leaving right after graduation was arrested and put into a local jail. He tole me about it about 45 days before shipping that he got a ACD. I asked him waht happened he said that he was at a graduation party and that he was charged with drinking under age. KNowing that I have to remain neutral and not influence the outcome I called a few people that I knew and it turned out better than exspected is ACD was for a six month suspension of driving even though he was not driving at the time. I asked if he had to go see a judge and he told me that he did so I just advised him that if he told the judge and there were no garantees that I gave him that maybe if he presented himself in a crdible, honorablr, and serious manner to the judge he may be able to get the ACD dropped. He did what I advised and it worked just guess work on my part. Although he blew his chances as going under a Airwing MOS 65XX gurantee he still shipped on time. As time went by at Parris Island he wrote a couple of times. MAde Pfc out of bootcamp, and still got his choice because he was honest. I do not think that unknown has been hones and I do not think that this recruiter with his or her carere at stake woulkd take this chance. Yes I agree it depends on what kind of fraud you mean. Many times a applicant will think up things on their own and blame other people namely the recruiter and alligate that they were put up to it.

Semper Fidelis

Excellent post Gunny. Here in Indiana EVERYTHING shows on Juvenile and Adult. However when they run an ENTAC it will ONLY pop if the kid were fingerprinted. Now, if and when they run the SF86 (Security Clearance) they will do police checks from the kids local county courthouse. Say, however, a kid had criminal mischief at 14 yrs old in another county, they may not ever catch it if he weren't fingerprinted. Get what I'm saying? As far as this kid goes, he's pure apathetic. I'm sure he had some minor med issue he didn't disclose or something that he will make up..come out and allegate on the Recruiter. This is why I not only have my SNCOIC screen the kid, but I'll swing by OPS too and have another SNCO screen the kid. These kids are not loyal. My career isn't worth trusting them like that. I love em like a brother from another mother, and show them love, but I don't trust them. My poolees know that I will take care of them. They also know that it isn't personal it's strictly business. On my part and on thier part.

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas,

Yes basically the same in most states. But the recruits from these days are a little bit more dangerous and inventive on what to say. The violence in high schools for instance...!!! I suppost that you have to go with a full combat load for protection...??? LOL. I just do not thnk that the recruiter would risk it unless he or she is a loss anyway. But that wouldn't happen with so much to loose.

Semper Fidelis

[bates_iyaoyas]

I am a firm believer that kids are no worse or better than when I was a kid. I will say this, though, them twerps sure are astute businessmen/women. I never underestimate them. I have seen real good recruiters get relieved for fraud. Matter of fact we just had a recent merit. SSGT get relieved for fraud. A kid allegated on him, and it was confirmed to be true. Then the flood gates opened. About 6 more allegated on him, and it was curtains. Like I said this kid here is apathetic, and he is looking for an out. By the way I know to stay clean. You ever hear of that scandal in RS Pittsburg in the mid-80's? My uncle was the MEPS liason during that time. Man the storys he has. Lol..I learned alot of lessons from him. I am on the straight and narrow, believe me.

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas,

Then I know you know what I am saying exactly. I couldn't remeber the RS. This kid hasn't piped in at all. I do hope he reads what he started. In 1st district we had recruiters manufacturing High Scholl Diplomas. Dang that what stupid. I was never that desperate to get the numbers. But in the 39 months that I spent there were only a very few that I reluctantlt put in my Marine Corps.

[unknown]

The extend of criminal fraud is mere speeding/proof of insurance... no big deal, POI was proven, speeding I admit guilt. No big deal. Medical, however, the main reason I asked in the first place, is due to sleep apnea. Most are aware this diagnoses is fairly new and the reason for DQ is "disturbing the sleep of others." That being said, sleep deprivation has been an issue for myself, among others, which is partial intent of USMC boot camp. The ability to perform simple tasks under pressure while sleep deprived. Anyway, I started this thread because I know apnea is a DQ yet my recruiter said he will add that as soon as I get a copy of my medical history. Mainly I wanted to make sure this is an OK process since apnea is basically when people snore and don't get well enough sleep. Many people have it without having been diagnosed (who do you know that snores loudly?) but since I was diagnosed, would it matter much if it was added later? That was the reason of this thread.

[unknown]

I have performed well before being diagnosed with apnea. Sure I was tired, but also inactive. I'm willing to bet boot camp will keep a new recruit like me busy enough until it's time to hit the racks and pass out for a few hours. Like I said before... whatever it takes to earn the title of Marine! If you want to fight, you'd better kill me or not waste my time because I"ll fight until it's over. I know the risk of death and I'm not afraid. That is my attitude towards earning the title US Marine. I know our country's Marines are fighting and that's where I want to be. No offense, but Army, Navy, Air Force isn't challenging enough. Sure they're a big part of the USA Military, but I know I'm good enough to be part of the elite. Give me the chance and I will prove it.

[yellowwing]

...my recruiter said he will add that as soon as I get a copy of my medical history.

Well dammit, get him a copy ASAP! Then you can get rid of that knot in your gut.

[unknown]

Yes sir. Maybe I was overenthusiactic about the whole thing.... but it might help someone else who has similar problems. Here's a ?.. If you disclose a medical complication after enlisting in DEP, will MEPs Dr.'s want you to see one of their specialists, or are you good to go since you're already in? Stupid question. but it might help someone else also.

[Old Marine]

Unknown:

Don't you think a Marine Corps Drill Instructor has enough problems without having to tuck you in every night.

Give the Drill Instructors and the Marine Corps a break and enlist in the Coast Guard.

[HardJedi]

you have sleep apnea? and KNOW it? then STAY AWAY! people with sleep Apnea are NON WORLD WIDE DEPLOYABLE! One of my very best friends, with 17 years of service, and a veteran of BOTH Desert Storm and now 2 tours in this Iraq war, was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and he is being kicked out three years short of retirement. you are looking at serious problems with THAT sickness my friend.

[bates_iyaoyas]

Originally posted by unknown
Yes sir. Maybe I was overenthusiactic about the whole thing.... but it might help someone else who has similar problems. Here's a ?.. If you disclose a medical complication after enlisting in DEP, will MEPs Dr.'s want you to see one of their specialists, or are you good to go since you're already in? Stupid question. but it might help someone else also.

Here's the deal, man. If there is a change in status from when you first depped in (ie med, or criminal) than you must submit the med records and a letter of unconditional release from your doctor to your recruiter. The recruiter then in turn will submit it to MEPS. From there one of three things will happen.

1) MEPS will request for you to come back on deck for an inspect.

2) MEPS will request for you to come for an inspect and they will request a BUMED (A statement to the Burue of Medicine in DC for review)

3) Or they will just PDQ you and you will be discharged from the DEP.

edit....sleep apnea is a PDQ, I checked it out. Sorry about the news, man.

[HardJedi]

what, you didn't believe me about it bates? LOL