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06-18-04, 02:25 PM #1
I will be waiting for the out cry from the muslims
If the report of hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr. beheading is true.
As it's being reported on some of the news channels sighting an arab station posting that news.
Says it has a video, the Saudi's claim there's no video.
I think it's time to do what the Israeli's do when something like this happens.
fuk world opinion.
I haven't been this hot in a long time.
I'm even cursing...
06-18-04, 02:27 PM #2
This post might get deleted but I had to get that off my chest.
I rarely curse, but there times that try men's souls.
This is one of those times...
Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
06-18-04, 02:40 PM #3
I think we can handle the language Ricardo....I share your anger.
I have no issue either with hitting hard against these outrages....but whom do you hit? These savages lurk in the shadows and lack the balls to confront anyone in the open. They are psychopathic savages and like most pigs wallow in filth. But they seem hard to find.
06-18-04, 02:50 PM #4
The sole reason for excuting Paul M. Johnson Jr. because he worked on Apache helicopters.
The Israeli's when they took out that hamas leader.
They use of an Apache helicopter.
That what they count on, that we think there no one or place to hit.
Now a question, is the Israeli intelligence gathering better than ours?
If they can pin point an individual responsibile for killing Israeli's why can't we do the same?
Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
06-18-04, 03:18 PM #5yellowwingGuest Free Member
Things are not kosher in Saudi Arabia. They have bought our training and F16s. Where is their will to stomp these SOBs?
There was a low publicity annoucement last summer that Israel has the right to use 'extreme measures' of interrogation to protect itself.
06-18-04, 03:48 PM #6
Report: Body of Beheaded American Found
Report: Body of Beheaded American Found
Friday, June 18, 2004
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — The body of American hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr. (search), apparently beheaded by an Al Qaeda-linked Saudi militant group, was found Friday in Riyadh soon after a Web site posted pictures of his death, according to local officials.
At about the same time, Reuters reported that a U.S. official confirmed that Johnson had been beheaded.
Gruesome photographs of Johnson with his head cut off were posted on an Al Qaeda-linked Web site, along with a statement of responsibility by a group calling itself Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (search), the same group that had announced Johnson's abduction a few days earlier.
The Arab satellite network Al-Arabiya broke the news of the Lockheed Martin (search) employee's execution.
The kidnappers had threatened to behead Johnson, a longtime resident of Saudi Arabia, by Friday if imprisoned terrorists had not been released by Saudi authorities.
"In answer to what we promised ... to kill the hostage Paul Marshall after the period is over ... the infidel got his fair treatment," the Web site statement said. "Let him taste something from what Muslims tasted who were long reached by Apache helicopter fire and missiles."
Johnson was the second American to be beheaded by Islamic militants in recent weeks. Nicholas Berg was killed the same way last month in Iraq, apparently by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search), an Al Qaeda associate who appears to have built up his own terror network.
The message and still photographs of Johnson's beheaded body were posted just as the 72-hour deadline his captors had set expired.
"He was trying to help people and trying to do his job," said Secretary of State Colin Powell, reacting to the news. "We're waiting to hear more from Saudi Arabia. Our thoughts are with Mr. Johnson's family."
Powell said the Bush administration was waiting to get the "final confirmation" on Johnson's death, and said he hopes the news will push the Saudi government to "redouble" its efforts in the fight against terrorism.
Johnson's family remained in seclusion following the tragic news. Relatives were at a townhouse in Galloway Township, N.J., on Friday afternoon. A man who was standing in front of the house identified himself only as "Bill" and said the family did not want to talk to reporters.
The townhouse and the development in which it is located were decorated with yellow ribbons. An unidentified woman was standing outside the house, weeping.
"We are very distressed and discouraged by the news we are hearing." Lockheed Martin's Tom Jurkowsky told Fox News. "We are concerned for the family and have representatives of the company at their home to offer support and tend to their needs."
Jurkowsky would not make any further comment until Johnson's death was confirmed. He also would not comment on the impact this may have on Lockheed's operations in the region.
Johnson moved to Florida in the early 1980s to work for Lockheed Martin before leaving for Saudi Arabia. At the time of his abduction, he had been working on targeting and night vision systems for Apache helicopters.
Johnson's son traveled to New Jersey earlier this week to be with other family members.
Thousands of Saudi police spent Friday searching for Johnson.
Johnson's wife had appealed for his safe return on Arab television Friday.
"Please! I want him to come back to see me. He didn't do anything wrong," Thanom Johnson, said in interview on Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya (search). "I've never seen him having any problems with the people here. Never."
Johnson's kidnappers released a videotape of him on Tuesday night saying they would kill him unless the Saudi government released all militants in its prisons within 72 hours. The Saudis rejected the demand.
Johnson appeared to have been kidnapped Saturday by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, believed to be headed by Abdulaziz Issa Abdul-Mohsin al-Moqrin (search), the top Al Qaeda figure in Saudi Arabia.
Police went through several Riyadh neighborhoods from Thursday night through Friday morning.
People living in the districts, which lie in western and southern Riyadh, suggested that the kidnappers enjoy popular support, partly because of U.S. policy in Iraq and its perceived backing for Israel.
"How can we inform on our brothers when we see all these pictures coming from Abu Ghraib and Rafah," Muklas Nawaf, a resident of Dhahar al-Budaih, said as he ate meat grilled on a spit at a restaurant called Jihad, Arabic for "holy war."
He was referring to the pictures of Iraqis abused by U.S. soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison (search) in Baghdad and Israeli military incursions and killings in the Gaza refugee camp of Rafah.
"This is not a little skirmish. It is a war," Nawaf said.
A preacher of Riyadh's Imam Sultana Mosque implored the kidnappers to release Johnson in a column published in Al-Riyadh newspaper on Friday.
"O, youth of the nation who have trodden the wrong path, come back to the fold of the community of Islam. Avoid this sedition and be obedient to the ruler of the Muslims," Sheik Mohammed bin Saad al-Saeed wrote.
A senior Saudi official in the United States, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the probe, said there had been no communications from the kidnappers except for the video and statement on the Web site.
The FBI had sent a team of about 20 specialists in hostage rescue, hostage negotiations, profiling and other specialties who were working directly with Saudi officials, the official said.
More than 15,000 Saudi officers had been deployed in the search of Riyadh, going door-to-door in some neighborhoods. More than 1,200 Saudi homes had been searched as of Thursday night.
"We are even using the fire department, for instance, because they have knowledge of their neighborhoods, and districts," the official said.
In a letter posted late Wednesday on Web sites where Al Qaeda supporters and other militants leave messages, a man who identifies himself as Saad al-Mu'men — a pseudonym meaning "Saad The Believer," — urges militants to spare Johnson, saying killing him would violate Islamic law. "I will curse you in all my prayers" if he is harmed, it warned.
The writer said he had given Johnson his protection under Islam, and quoted the Prophet Muhammad as saying: "If they were granted (Muslim) protection, then killing or taking their money or harming them is forbidden."
The writer also said Johnson had expressed opposition to U.S. foreign policy and an interest in converting to Islam.
The letter was posted on Web sites known for Islamic extremist writings and was subsequently posted on the Web site of the Saudi-owned satellite television channel Al-Arabiya.
Other contributors to the Islamic Web sites ridiculed the message and called for Johnson's death.
Al-Arabiya told the AP that al-Mu'men had contacted the station but agreed to be identified only by the pseudonym. The station said it had confirmed the man it interviewed was the author of the letter, but it did not say how.
Al-Mu'men refused an interview with the AP in a message relayed through the station.
Friends and relatives of Johnson sang "Amazing Grace" and "God Bless America" as they held candles and small flags at a vigil late Thursday in Eagleswood, New Jersey, a town where the engineer grew up.
"Your love, your prayers and your support are appreciated," his niece Angel Roork said at the vigil.
The U.S. State Department updated a 2-month-old travel warning for Saudi Arabia, pointing out that attacks on Americans there have resulted in deaths and injuries and, in a reference to Johnson, a kidnapping.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Holding my tongue....You Marines are speaking my thoughts....
Prayers to the Family and Friends............
06-18-04, 05:09 PM #7
It is time to stop playing nice in the Middle East. I understand that we rely on the region for fuel oil. I know that we really couldn't function without that oil. But really, how long would the flow be interupted by a full scale invasion of the entire region? A week? Two? Not long enough to really matter. It is time that we install our own pupet governments in the region, and give them one directive. Terrorists must die.
06-18-04, 08:34 PM #8
Hey Millrat , you old War Horse......how the hell are you. Just came on site looking around. Haven't seen you or hardly talked to you since we went to the WAll with Capt. John...........Dave D'Arche
06-18-04, 09:47 PM #9snipowskyGuest Free Member
Don't hold your breath to long...they don't care!
MillRat I share your anger and outrage also. I'm sick of our government pussy footing around with these people. I wish sometimes we had the mindset of the Israelis and did what we wanted and not what others think we should do. I'm reading a book right now called...
Black Ice..The Invisible Threat of Cyber-Terrorism by Dan Verton (USMC).
This book was written by a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and is something I think everyone here at Leatherneck.com should read. It is a great book. I think every American should read this too. I have no doubt in my mind why we are fighting the War on Terrorism. A majority of Americans have no clue what is really going on.
Marines don't have this problem...just from the posts I read I can tell we all understand. After October 23rd, 1983 I've had no doubt in my mind what these radicals are all about! And September 11th just made my hate for these people even more strong.
06-19-04, 01:21 AM #10
Dave D'Arche as I live and breathe...I can't believe that you're here.
It was my pleasure to break bread with Dave.
WW II Marine.
Many a moon has past since last meeting.
It's a joy exchanging Christmas cards with Dave.
I look forward to see you post here buddy...
Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
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