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  1. #91
    Originally posted by yellowwing
    Do you really expect us to believe that having the guts to protest a conflict, that you didn't hide from, is the same as entertaining NVA gunners?
    Little...uh, no, a hell of a lot different there yellowwing...what kerry did wuz the same as fonda, xcept, well, I won't go there. Thing is, he gave more life to the VC and NVA to continue and cost Bros their lives...THAT ain't arguable


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    Thanks Sperrow but all other minorities includes Mexicans.
    The sooner we stop being martyrs and realize we'd better pull together as Americans, the sooner we'll end the threat of terrorism.


  3. #93
    Let me see if I understand. If I don't go along with having a coward who used daddy's connections to jump him over 100,000 names and get him in the Air National Guard so he could desert for a year I'm a Democrate?
    sort of like the last election when I heard "All Al Gore did was take pictures" and it was never said HE SERVED!
    He was much more well connected and could have avoided the draft and the service with his daddy's connections, but he did his duty to God and country. We don't always get to choose exactly what we want to do in the military and more so in the Corps.
    So am I to understand that those who were cooks or mechanics or armorers only did that and had no chance of being injured or their jobs were not important?
    I came back from Nam and I was against the war because the politicians would not let the servicemen fight the war. They wanted to show they were in charge of what was to be done and how. It had nothing to do with Hanoi Jane or coffee shops or anything else. I made up my own mind and without the influence of others or peer groups telling me what to think.
    You tout this guy who during the first campaign didn't even know Social Sercurity was sponsored by the government.
    Just because he took the country to war does not mean he knows what he's doing.
    So I guess now you think I'm a Democrate because I have formed my own opinion. Well I served and it's my right to think whatever I like without regard to what you may think of it.
    Instead of just apeing what you hear deal with some facts. Look for yourself. Then form an opinion


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    I would invite you to gander a good dose of remedy of your own med's, while you try to paint a picture of service and privilege, then that, by your own words and standard, wholly unqualified WJC to lead this country, yet he made it through two terms.

    Some how you have bought into a social class idea that is offended by the very means they strive to attain. It is you that needs to deal with your situation and stop ape-ing the left socialist crap that has floated around. The democRATS have bemoaned the rich industrialist, yet when one of their own comes from the same back ground, suddenly his/their situation is different.

    Hillary Rodham came from privilege, so did John Kerry, Al Gore who I might add came from BIG TOBBACCO which the RATs are stamping out. (Go figure). Kennedy came from bootlegged revenues and then wanted to shut down Jimmy Hoffa because he was running a racket, it was the head eating the tail of the same beast.

    If you are so against the rich and powerful, go out and get a job from a poor person, ain’t gonna happen and if you do hire on, you’re a bigger fool then you let on by scrawling your words here.

    Do not parry or mince double speak unto me, it is evident that you have nothing else to grasp at so you thrust forth with some pigeon holed and age old drumbeat of class warfare that is as stuffy and out of date as a buggy whip factory. And since you know of no other route to escape the morbid and stiffling world you exist in, you lash out at others who have earned and made something for themselves all in the vein of fairness. Once again, I say this and take it to heart, life is not fair, and anyone telling you different is trying to sell you something.


  5. #95
    Well put Kurt...never ceases to amaze me how the left puts their slant on stuff instead of layin' it out straight. xlinton did more to undermine, tarnish, weaken and corrupt the office of President than anyone in my memory. To say nothing of granting pardons to so many known criminals upon leaving office.

    RidingCrops, you are entitled to form, carry and voice your opinion the same as anyone in our country...fact is, we'll have politicos no matter what. I for one didna go to the Nam for them and I'm sure most on this board didn't either, I find it obnoxious tho, to protest publicly policy; while we had Bros on the ground fightin' and dyin'; more on their way and the ones who had fallen and were on their way back to mourning families.

    Say what you want, think what you want....I'll take a guy as President who served, even in the fashion of Dubya, way before the likes of a leech like xlinton or kerry...al gore included.

    Lord, I can't stand a damn hypocrite!


  6. #96

    just a thought

    Originally posted by mardet65
    Thanks Sperrow but all other minorities includes Mexicans.
    The sooner we stop being martyrs and realize we'd better pull together as Americans, the sooner we'll end the threat of terrorism.
    Has anyone ever heard a recording by John Wayne, the cd/record etc is called America, Why I Love Her,,,
    there is a "song" called the hypen,,, makes sense to me,,, some time I will get the words and post them,,,,


  7. #97
    ridingcrop:
    If you voted for the previous president, William Jefferson (SlickWillie) Clinton, then your entire stance goes out the window. He was an ACTIVE DRAFT DODGER!!! Any comparison made concerning the current candidates and/or presumed candidates, is spurious if you voted for Clinton.

    Please don't start pointing to GW Bush's silver spoons, without pointing to Kerry's own silver spoons. He has them too. Just look at the pictures of him lunching with the real JFK aboard a yacht, before his military service. Please try and convince me no one "guided" Kerry's choices as he reached the age of service. Please show me that there was NEVER any influence by powerful political figures, such as Edward M. "TED" Kennedy.


    That is how I see it.


  8. #98

    LOVE THIS COUNTRY

    Ask me who loves this country the most. and I'll say the native American Indian. then the rest of the the great American melting pot.....its cool just threw that in.....


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    What an innocuous statement. d c, how can you even dare to scrawl some drivel such as you have? How can you measure one group against another? You preach about "Why can't we all just get along?" and then you wonder why others slam what you say and you go skulking off into the corner wondering why you got beat up.

    It's turds like you, that throw stuff out there like what you have written that divides this country. Who is to say who loves this country more? Have you ever considered this; it just might be a little boy or little girl in Honduras that is receiving a care package from a church group in America. Just maybe, since their tummy is empty and some food and clothing has arrived from the good old US of A, they might be the one that loves this country the most.

    How obtuse and literally un-thought out of you to label or boost any type of person or group of people above another. I'm not here to flame you, but you know what, it's non-thinking liberals such as yourself (Oh I forgot, your not a Republican or a Democrat) that make the younger crowd scratch their collective grapes and wonder just where in the hell you are coming from. Well allow me to clue you into a few observations their buck-aroo, if it smells like sh1t, looks like sh1t and comes out of a butt hole, guess what? It's sh1t. And 99.99 % of the stuff you post here is just that.

    Hey I don't call's 'em like I see's em', I just call's 'em like they are.


  10. #100
    WHOA there fella. THAT coment comes from many tribal ELDERS on all reservations. I guess you lost your 1/2 Indian blood. Well i do live on the rez. I see the third world every damn day. the alcoholics. drugs. the uneducated. the poor. the homeless. And we had a Governor WHO fought every idea that the tribes had to better themselves, But I AM working for my tribe to assure that they have clean drinking water...And by you coments you have disgraced the voice of the ELDERS..without asking me whos coments that they were.....And I don't go skulking into ANY CORNER and I am not getting into any arguments with you...


  11. #101

    Be nice Marines

    d c taveapont

    Ask me who loves this country the most. and I'll say the native American Indian. then the rest of the the great American melting pot.....its cool just threw that in.....


    Now d c you are looking through the eyes of the tribes Elders and I can understand that, still you should have known that this would upset some round eyes. I think that the Native American Indians love this land in a difference way than most Americans does.

    Kurt Stover

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    What an innocuous statement. d c, how can you even dare to scrawl some drivel such as you have? How can you measure one group against another? You preach about "Why can't we all just get along?" and then you wonder why others slam what you say and you go skulking off into the corner wondering why you got beat up.
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    Now Kurt how many times have I gotten into hot water with Ellis for name calling. Been called down more than once. I read what d c was trying to say, being he is an Native American and yes sometimes he go over my head with what he is trying to put across, still {It's turds like you} {Well allow me to clue you into a few observations their buck-aroo, if it smells like sh1t, looks like sh1t and comes out of a butt hole, guess what? It's sh1t. And 99.99 % of the stuff you post here is just that.} was a little strong wouldn't you agree?

    Man I love this site


  12. #102
    Well sir you are right about how we love the country. especially the ELDERS who have seen the hardships of the past. and that we have people in political offices who will do any thing in their power to keep us from any form that would help us better ourselves..HEY stover did i ever say anything bad about you. NOPE. I guess you must live an uneventful life to be calling people names so just keep to it.....


  13. #103
    4669---IS THERE SOME OTHER SITE YOU COULD GO TO?


  14. #104
    I can't belive we are still talking about this jerk!!!


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    Registered User Free Member Kurt Stover's Avatar
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    Maybe I'm a dichotomy in stature and prose, I don't know. But come on, I never ding d c for bing Indian, I discussed somethings with yellowwing and we are at a standstill of non hostilities. Yet this guy wants to tell me that I forgot about being half Indian?

    Damnit! When I was growing up, it was a sureal life of ducking and dodging the civil rights movement in Virginia, I'd find kids that were of the Cherrokee nation and most of them were an inter racial mix with the blacks. They could give a rip about the Indian heritage unless it was to be used as a crutch to blame someone for some great injustice. Then they would turn around and use the fact that they were "Negro's" (the term used in the late 60's and early seventies in Virginia) and how Whitey was "The Man" and kept them down because they were black.

    My Dad who is 1st generation German to be born in America and outside of a war zone made it clear never to use my Indian heritage or my German heritage to an advantage to better myself. What I read here is systimatic and ambiguous sewage. I'm proud to be who I am. My act's and my faith are what drive me. Yes I curse and say things that offend people, but you know what, that's on me. That is between my God and Myself. I don't go picking out a group or a particular person because of skin color, ethnic back ground or demographic make up, I call a spade a spade and a jack a jack.

    Maybe we all, as a people have become so gun shy of the truth because it affects our livelyhood in a financial way. Blacks call caucasions "White", the only close to white people I see are either albinos or a lot of european's with red hair, they burn easily in the sun and almost turn green when ill. I have a slight tinge in my skin color, but my ars is as white as the driven snow. I can tan up and keep that tan pretty much 9 months out of a year time span. I don't care, the only color I really am concerned about is "green" be it money or the uniform I wear.

    If my daughter wishes to marry a black guy that is the color of tar, great! As long as he treats her with the respect any father would want for his children and he supports her in the manner that show's love. Didn't we fight Hitler and Tojo because of a race inferiority complex thing. When I was stationed in Japan, I was shunned by the orientals because I was white colored. I got over it, I didn't need to go into thier clubs, I found other places to go. Big deal.

    I go up to Oshkosh where the tribal leaders treat me like a parrah, yet the clan brings me in as one. It don't bother me one way or another, I look at my W-2 and my LES and ain't no ones name showing up on those two items other than mine and the federal government. I'm paying my way through nite courses in a community college and wouldn't want to deprive someone of free monies to get an education. When I'm done and sitting there with my piece of paper that says completed degree of****, I'll know it was because I wanted it and I had to work for it.

    Why am I going here? Because I dislike the welfare state. I have been to Yuba city where 10 Hopi Indians the size of over fed Sumo wrestlers get out of a van to eat at an all you can eat buffet and not pay a dime. I don't care that they are huge, but come on, what's up with this? I can go down to the Chevy dealer in Winslow and can see fairly new trucks lined up in the back all smashed up, and an Indian from the nearby res still in a cast from the accident he just had, signing a piece of paper and jumping into a new truck and driving off with no payment, free and clear.

    I don't get it. Sure would love America if everything was given to me on a platter. I'm above that, I'm sorry if you feel I'm being overly cruel or unkind. I'm tired of Americans, let alone peoples of other governments running this country down. Im sick and tired of a group of people that want special treatment because of skin color, racial background, sexual orientation or gender. If you grow up and don't let people treat you like sh1t or better yet, don't let it bother you with what they say or think (Which I have no control over and ain't gonna loose sleep over either) then you will be a better person for it. If we would make a half-a$$ attempet to earn our way, instead of some feel good level playing field offer, we miaght be able to come together as a whole people instead of being scared to say something about what is wrong and what is right.

    To me it's like we are playing cards and you spot me 95 points in a 100 point game. Either you have a great hand, or I'm to dim to beat you fair and square, I have to have a leg up. BS.


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