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    Say Good-by to our Beloved Corps......


    Marines Weigh Closing Parris Island and San Diego to Open New Coed Boot Camp






    New Marines run under the iconic “We Make Marines” sign during a traditional motivational run through the streets of Parris Island, S.C., on July 15, 2016. Lance Cpl. Aaron Bolser/Marine Corps

    24 Sep 2020
    Military.com | By Gina Harkins

    The Marine Corps is considering a plan in which it could close its two existing boot camp locations and funnel all recruits to a new base where men and women would train together.
    Marine entry-level training is a long way off from being able to meet a congressional mandate to make its East and West coast training bases both able to support gender-integrated training in the coming years, the Corps' top general said on Thursday.

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    That is leading the service to study the option of opening a third training base in a new location to which all new recruits would ship, rather than spending cash on construction projects at aging training bases.
    "Nothing, the way we're organized right now, lends itself to integrated recruit training," Commandant Gen. David Berger said on Thursday. "If that's our start point -- and it is -- we have to get to a place on both coasts, or at third location or whatever we end up with, that ... there are male and female recruits around."
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    Both the Marine Corps' recruit training depots have storied pasts -- particularly Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island in South Carolina, which was first used by Marines in the 1890s. Hundreds of thousands of Marines have stood on the famous yellow footprints on each base at the start of their careers before earning the coveted eagle, globe and anchor and title of Marine.
    But with a new law bearing down on the service to make both locations support coed training -- within five years at Parris Island and eight at San Diego -- the Marine Corps is exploring different options, Maj. Eric Flanagan, Berger's spokesman told Military.com.
    "The question becomes, 'Are we better off just using [military construction] dollars to create a new third site, or put that money into our existing sites?'" he said. "No decisions have been made. We're not investing any money anywhere else. It's just an option we're talking about."
    The Marine Corps hasn't yet identified a state where the new boot camp location might be located, Flanagan said. In assessing the possible change though, he said they're considering a lot more than just the need for coed squad bays and other facility changes to support gender-integrated boot camp.
    Parris Island sits on South Carolina's coast, just north of Hilton Head, leaving it susceptible to hurricanes. And in California, recruits leave the recruit depot, which butts up against San Diego International Airport, to complete some of their needed training at nearby Camp Pendleton.
    Having two boot camp sites also creates redundancies, Flanagan said. Historically, all female recruits and men who live east of the Mississippi River train at Parris Island. Male recruits west of the Mississippi ship to San Diego.
    "If you have to update a lot anyway, do you save manpower, resources and personnel by just combining the two into one?" Flanagan said.
    If the Marine Corps were to move boot camp away from its fabled training bases, Kate Germano, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel who led Parris Island's female 4th Recruit Training Battalion, said leaders must explain their reasoning in full. Otherwise, she said she worries male Marines would blame women for the loss of tradition.
    "There would be so much animus there, as if there isn't already enough," Germano said.
    Women first began training at Parris Island in the 1940s, but it wasn't until last year that the training base saw the first-ever coed company graduate. The Marine Corps continues to fight to keep its platoons segregated by gender, though it has trained several more coed companies.
    Germano said she's concerned plans to create an all-new training base would slow boot camp gender-integration efforts.
    "The way the Marine Corps has kicked this can down the road consistently, it's a delay tactic in my view," Germano said. She was relieved of command in 2015 for what she says was an effort to push for better, more equitable training for women. Marine officials contended at the time she was relieved because she was a toxic leader.
    There can be a years-long lag between a planned military construction project, Germano said, and "shovels in the dirt."
    "The big question that I have is, where is this on the Marine Corps' list of priorities, and why isn't it at the top?" she said.
    A Marine Corps memo on the service's plans to make boot camp gender-neutral released last month referred to it as such.
    "Gender integration at Marine Corps Recruit Training remains a top priority," the plan submitted to the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services states. "The outcome the Marine Corps desires for gender integration is for every male recruit to train alongside a female recruit within the same company."
    But for a service that has struggled to embrace coed training, Richard Kohn, a history professor who studies the U.S. military at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said a new training site could serve as a fresh start.
    "If they build something from the ground up, they'll be able to make it exactly as they want to facilitate integrated training," Kohn added. "And second of all, if they get rid of Parris Island, it might dilute the traditionalist emotions."
    Kohn said the move is likely to face pushback from members of Congress interested in keeping the bases -- along with their associated workforces -- in their states.
    Flanagan said it's too early to say whether a new boot camp site would mean the Marine Corps would get rid of its two coastal-area bases. Closing military bases can take years, but the real estate in California and South Carolina could prove valuable.
    Ultimately, Kohn said, the decision could come down to cost.
    "The bean counters usually [decide] these things," he said.

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    We talked about these kinds of dumb issues before, where change for the sake of change seems to be the most important consideration---------why not just go all the way and get it over with and merge the Corps with the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Coast Guard, Coast Guard Auxiliary and be done with it? One big happy ineffective family. That should satisfy those who love "change".


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    The Corps has been blessed with a bunch of idiots called General. I thought Mad Dog would be good; but he too turned out to be a piece of shivt. The Commandant we have now is a fvking idiot; sure as hell glad that don't have to put my faith and trust in these idiots!

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    I'm glad I've got a few pictures of me and some of my Brothers in the Corps, in the 60's. ......you know......back when being in the Marines meant something. Makes me wonder if they will now change their Logo "The Few, The Proud"? What should it be now?????


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    If I went in today I wonder who my bunkie would be? I like my women cute you know. I fear for our Corps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    Makes me wonder if they will now change their Logo "The Few, The Proud"? What should it be now?????
    "Everyone gets a trophy" (or in this case, an EGA)

    Are we going to start a betting pool on how many female recruits will be coming out of boot camp pregnant?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpl Keller View Post
    "Everyone gets a trophy" (or in this case, an EGA)

    Are we going to start a betting pool on how many female recruits will be coming out of boot camp pregnant?
    Or how many discrimination lawsuits will be filed.....


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    As society goes, so goes the Corps. It is just a reflection of society in general, it's always been that way...........it takes foolishness longer to seep in, but it eventually does, it can't help but be influenced by society, after all, all members of the Corps COME from society in general. So it's not surprising at all to see any number of stupid fkg things happen.


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    talking about "kicking the can down the road", methinks someone should kick retired LtCol Kate Germano's sorry azz down the road.... all of this "gender integrated", and "gender identity choice" krap that is going on today does absolutely NOTHING except waste time, money, and combat efficiency.... there is absolutely NO reason to change anything, or move anything anywhere.... these people want to "have their cake and eat it too"... if "gender integration" is truly the goal, install TAMPAX machines in all if the heads, assign the recruits to their training series regardless of sex, and get with the program.... there is absolutely no reason for some kind of "special construction or training site" necessary.... The recruits will train and live together 24/7 from start to finish, EVERYTHING will be "co-ed"... but the women that are pushing this krap want to have "full equality with the men, including access to training traditionally just for men" BUT they also want to maintain their "privacy and have special female considerations" .... Sorry ladies, can't have BOTH... pick your poison and drink it all, or go home and knit a scarf or something.....

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    William, one of the problems is that people like change just for the SAKE of change. Something is fine, do not fix it. But they just cannot leave things alone. You see this in almost all walks of life. Even TV commercials that have been successful for a couple of years, all of a sudden there is a new and improved version. Many people must feel that they are not doing anything worthwhile UNLESS they are bringing about some kind of change.


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    kind of like people that go "middle age crazy" or have a "mid-life crisis" so they go out and have an "affair" or two, or maybe even three to "find out who they are"... if you really want to "find out who you are", try looking at your birth certificate and driver's license... the two documents should be able to tell you everything you really need to know about yourself, so be happy and quit Fing with other people's lives.....

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    William, just think of how those panties would smell after training all day doing squat thrusts and push-ups, along with running all day long....


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    I think Billy wants to apply to be a drill instructor now.


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    nope, he just wants to be a recruit again, with a female bunkie that wears the same panties week in, week out, but lets him use them at night as a "security blanket sniffie"...

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    hahahaha. He could be a hall monitor for boot camp recruits.


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