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    Fun times ahead.....for future Marines...

    Military.com | By Gina Harkins
    MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. -- The Marine Corps could train as many as eight co-ed companies at boot camp each year, and the general overseeing the effort is hitting back against those complaining that the move is lowering training standards.
    "Get over it," Maj. Gen. William Mullen, the head of Training and Education Command told Military.com on Thursday. "We're still making Marines like we used to. That has not changed."


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    Mullen, a career infantry officer who has led troops in combat -- including in Fallujah, Iraq -- said Marines have likely been complaining about falling standards since 1775.
    "I'm assuming that the second Marine walking into Tun Tavern was like 'You know ... our standards have gone down. They're just not the same as it they used to be,'" Mullen said, referring to the service's famous birthplace. "That has always been going on in the history of the Marine Corps."
    The Marine Corps is currently training its second and third co-ed companies at its East Coast recruit depot in Parris Island, South Carolina, where men and women have historically been separated.
    Some have suggested the move will destroy the Marine Corps. Others have called it disgusting, or said the all-male West Coast recruit depot remains the only true Marine Corps boot camp.
    Commandant Gen. David Berger told Military.com this summer that Marines should expect more co-ed recruit training companies to move through Parris Island. And while Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego remains an all-male facility, Berger said he'd "look at what makes sense" on both coasts.
    Related:New Marine Commandant: There Will 'Definitely' Be More Coed Companies at Boot Camp
    Each of the co-ed companies is made up of six platoons -- one of which is all-female, and the other five all-male. That's the same model used by 3rd Recruit Training Battalion's India Company, the first-ever co-ed company to graduate from Parris Island earlier this year.
    Mullen said the company's performance was on par with all-male or all-female companies.
    "If anything, it went a little better because there's a little bit more competition with [each platoon] going, 'No, we need to beat them,' or 'We can't let them beat us,'" he said. "So there was a little bit of that effect. But other than that, there was no real difference."
    Mullen recently directed the Marine Corps to commission an academic study on gender-integrated boot camp. He said it's important that the Marine Corps get an independent study of its enlisted entry-level training model to see if they have it right.
    "How do you get to something that people just can't argue with?" he said. "... If an independent study, not affiliated with the Marine Corps, comes in and takes a hard, honest look at things in an unbiased way, how do you argue with that?"
    Related: The Marines Want an Academic Study on the Cost, Impacts of Co-Ed Boot Camp
    The men and women in the co-ed companies at Parris Island spend most of the first phase of boot camp, which runs the first four weeks, training at the platoon level. That means the all-female platoon mostly trains without men under the direction of women drill instructors.
    That's by design, Mullen said, because it's important to establish a sense of teamwork at the platoon level. Once the recruits hit their second training phase when they hit the rifle range, take hikes, and practice land navigation or maneuver-under-fire-movements, he said the company trains as one a lot more.
    "We think we have it right ... but how much of that is our own biases?" Mullen said. "How much of that is a 'we invented it here' kind of thing?"
    Mullen said he's hoping the study -- which will look at how the other services train recruits, the costs associated with different training models, and how co-ed boot camp might affect a person's decision to join the Marine Corps -- will give them an objective view.
    And if it shows the Marine Corps doesn't have the right idea when it comes to separating male and female recruits, at least at the start of their training, he said they'll adjust.
    "We'd have to take a good hard look at it and say, 'OK, well, what are we going to do about it now?'" Mullen said.

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    The Coed Barracks living arrangements what about that ????


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    that "model" is not what I think of when I think "co-ed"... that is more along the lines of having an all boy's school with "one wing of the building" dedicated to female education... what I think of as "co-ed" is fully integrated platoons, barracks, showers, training, and other facilities (ala the movie "starship troopers")... I suspect it may eventually come to that, but the very first time some female recruit gets pregnant while in boot camp that particular "experiment" will most likely die an instant and unglamorous death...


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    Back in the beginning of 1967 when I went through PI we rarely trained with the other platoons, we had 3 platoons in my series. Also, I don't remember us having company names or even a series number though I'm sure we had one. Our platoon trained completely separate from the others from my remembrance.

    Now, if they do start having REAL co-ed platoons I'd consider lying about my age and my prior service and enlisting again just for the experience - especially shower time. Just saying.


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    Can't you just see some Hard Corps D.I. showing an 18 year old female boot how to hold a Rifle. He would be behind her and up against her azz, with his arms around her, going through the drills, talking in a soft smooth voice. It would take 20 min. just to show her how to stand at Order Arms. Going to a male boot. Stopping in front of him....you rotten little left over sperm....I'll shove that weapon up your faggot azz and tickle your tonsils with it. If you don't get it right I won't let your Mama suck my Dikk anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by advanced View Post
    Back in the beginning of 1967 when I went through PI we rarely trained with the other platoons, we had 3 platoons in my series. Also, I don't remember us having company names or even a series number though I'm sure we had one. Our platoon trained completely separate from the others from my remembrance.
    Quote Originally Posted by advanced View Post

    Now, if they do start having REAL co-ed platoons I'd consider lying about my age and my prior service and enlisting again just for the experience - especially shower time. Just saying.
    Russ, my memories are about the same, except my company was KILO, 3rd Bn, Plt 374.... our SERIES was made up of Plts 373; 374; 375; and 376 but I don't think it was designated as anything but a training series...


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    Yup, I was in 336 with the other 2 platoons 337 & 338. We were on the 1st floor of the 3 story building with the 3rd Herd. Graduated end of March 67.


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    I wonder if he felt the same way as a "young infantry officer". I doubt it very much, now that he is embedded in the world of PC Officers.


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