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    The real Corps......a thing of the past.....

    Drill Instructors Punished for Harming Recruits, Making Racist Comments at Boot Camp






    Drill instructors from Marine Corps Recruit Depots San Diego and Parris Island, S.C., and Marines from Marine Corps Recruiting Station Salt Lake City hosted poolees during RS SLC’s annual pool function at Camp Williams, Utah, June 26, 2015. During the event, Utah-based recruiters teamed with drill instructors to physically and mentally prepare enlistees for boot camp. The enlistees, part of the Marine Corps delayed entry program, are waiting to ship to boot camp. (Daniel Wetzel/Marine Corps)

    9 Oct 2019
    Military.com | By Gina Harkins

    One recruit was called a terrorist. Another had his vest stapled to his skin. A third recruit was kicked by a Marine and a drill instructor ordered a fourth trainee to eat a pine cone.
    Those are just some of the incidents that led to more than 20 Marines being disciplined at the Corps' West Coast recruit depot since 2017, officials there confirmed. At least two of those Marines are no longer in uniform as the service works to stamp out hazing and abuse at its entry-level training camps. The issue has been a renewed focus since the 2016 death of recruit Raheel Siddiqui at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, South Carolina.

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    The Washington Post first reported on the discipline handed down to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego drill instructors. The paper obtained more than 700 pages' worth of investigations into alleged wrongdoing at the recruit depot.
    "The incidents in San Diego, which have not been reported previously, include verified allegations of Marines assaulting recruits by kicking, punching and shoving, activity that is explicitly prohibited under the service's regulations, and other more minor incidents," the Post reported.
    After one drill instructor asked a recruit who appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent whether he was a terrorist, another Marine at the San Diego recruit depot reportedly referred to a Hispanic trainee as a "wetback," a disparaging and racist term.
    That same recruit was then kicked by the Marine, who the Post reported was an instructor with Weapons and Field Training Battalion.
    Another recruit, according to the Washington Post, reported that a drill instructor used a stapler on his torso. The recruit didn't speak up at the time, the Post reported, because he "did not want to anger [the drill instructor] more."
    When the senior drill instructor who'd been told about the incident asked other recruits about potential wrongdoing, the Post reported the same Marine who'd been accused of using a staple had ordered him to eat a pine cone during a hike.
    "The recruit said he did not report that incident right away because he thought that sort of thing happened at boot camp," the Post reported.
    Related: Report: Marine Corps Punished at Least 8 Instructors over Hazing Claims
    Marine officials stressed that the incidents represent only a "very small percentage" of drill instructors who "fall short and must be held accountable."
    The most serious cases the Washington Post reported on happened more than two years ago, Capt. Martin Harris, a spokesman for the recruit depot. They were thoroughly investigated, he said, and the command took immediate action.
    The drill instructor involved in the stapler and pine cone incidents was formally reprimanded and received administrative punishment that resulted in a reduction of rank, removal from his job as a drill instructor, and a forfeiture of two months' pay, Harris said. That Marine left active duty in January 2018.
    The Weapons and Field Training Battalion Marine also faced a formal reprimand and administrative punishment, Harris added. That included a loss of rank, 60-days liberty restriction and forfeiture of pay. The Marine left active duty in September 2018.
    "There has been significant progress in the area of professional conduct since that time," Harris added. That includes more training and education to prevent misconduct among drill instructors, which he said has led to a decline in misconduct over the last 24 months.
    "More engaged officer and senior staff noncommissioned officer leadership at every level has helped to identify small infractions when they occur, allowing leadership to correct deficiencies earlier and prevent unprofessional behavior from taking root," Harris said.
    Still, the cases -- along with those of eight Marines at Parris Island -- highlight the challenges the Corps has faced in combating mistreatment at its recruit depots. The investigation and trials following Siddiqui's death found a culture of hazing and abuse at Parris Island -- not only toward recruits, but among drill instructors, too.
    Siddiqui's drill instructor slapped him in the face after forcing the recruit to run back and forth across the squad bay, despite his having requested medical attention for a sore throat. After he collapsed and was slapped, Siddiqui suddenly ran toward a barracks stairwell and fell 40 feet to his death. He'd only been at boot camp for a little over a week, and his drill instructor had previously been accused of forcing recruits into industrial clothes dryers.
    Recruits are told about the Marine Corps' zero-tolerance hazing policy before they even get to boot camp, Harris said. They're encouraged to report any violations without fear of retribution, he said.
    "Additionally, recruits are repeatedly interviewed by officer leaders throughout training and asked specifically about any maltreatment they may be aware of," he said. "Moreover, chaplains, medical staff, mental health counselors, and other support staff are available to recruits throughout their life-changing experience at recruit training."
    Almost all drill instructors serve with distinction, Harris said, but any who choose to violate regulations and orders will be quickly corrected.
    "There is no place for hazing or abuse within our ranks," he said.

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    As you all know, I've always said that what the MC needs is a kinder, gentler Marine Corps. This way our Marines might be able to make friends with our enemies instead of always simply killing them. Besides, our weapons are SO LOUD, how can be carry on a normal conversation with our soon to be friends if we can't hear them.


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    they talked about the abuse but I did read about any and what the printed here I wouldn't call abuse..... did I just miss something here?
    besides, pine cones are very high in fiber


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    Euell Gibbons...........is that you?


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    Pat, this is 2019, not 1967. The Corps is now PC. I hear they are going to be issuing Stress Cards to recruits, like the Army does. If you think you are being mistreated, you pull out your card to remind your DI you are not to be mentally or physically abused in any matter.


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    I need to start proofreading my post before I smash the Post quick reply bullet... I just read what I posted and it made about as much sense as a submarine with a screen door...


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    when I was in it was a cake walk. Just like going on vacation.


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    I know what you mean, Tom, when I was in Boot Camp we had nights where the DI's and us would sit around a campfire roasting marshmallows and drinking sodas and telling ghost stories...
    then we'd hit the rack and wake up at about 09:30 and go back to the squad bay and get ready for brunch...


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    what happened to that thread you started about the "pleasures of boot camp", Dave... when I was going through, we had one wimp write home to mommy about how tough boot camp was, and how abusive our DI's were... mommy called her congressman and an "investigation" took place... we were all called on to testify, we were each asked if we had ever been hit, punched, beaten or abused in any manner by our DI's, to which all but the wimp said NO… we were each also asked if we had ever witnessed our DI's hitting, punching, beating or abusing any other recruit, and specifically had they done so to the wimp, to which we also replied NO… that wimp had an accident and fell down in the showers a few weeks later, and had to be recycled... I don't know if he ever graduated... something my junior DI told us that I have never forgotten, and both congress and the "Mothers of America" should be told and made to understand this : "there is NOTHING that your DI can do to you that can even come close to what the ENEMY can, and will do to you".... all that "abuse", both physical and mental, is nothing more than PREPARATION for engaging an enemy that usually has NO restrictions on his actions, no "rules of engagement" of any kind... his ONLY goal is to KILL YOU...and if you are not prepared for the violence of combat, you are that much more likely to be a "name on a monument", just another statistic...

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    William, great post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by irpat54 View Post
    I need to start proofreading my post before I smash the Post quick reply bullet... I just read what I posted and it made about as much sense as a submarine with a screen door...
    It's o.k. Pat....we all have a little bit of "ED" in us....


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    Quote Originally Posted by irpat54 View Post
    I know what you mean, Tom, when I was in Boot Camp we had nights where the DI's and us would sit around a campfire roasting marshmallows and drinking sodas and telling ghost stories...
    then we'd hit the rack and wake up at about 09:30 and go back to the squad bay and get ready for brunch...
    Pat, that brings back memories....we used to go out to the sand pit at night and drink hot chocolate and sing happy songs. One night the Company Commander showed up with marshmallows for our hot chocolate. We were a close family.


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    Ahh yes, and on Sunday afternoons we went to the base pool to sunbathe and swim, and of course, ogle all of the bikini clad women from base housing that came there just for our "viewing pleasure"...


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    William, it was a real rewarding experience. Used to drive me crazy at the Mess Hall. It would take me forever to pick the meat I wanted that day. It would make me mad when they would have Chicken Fried Steak, Grilled Sirloin, and Shrimp...to pick from, and you could only have 2 of 'em.


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    yeah, and on "surf n turf day", it took forever to decide if you wanted the Sirloin, "T" Bone, Ribeye or Filet to go with your lobster.....


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