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    Sloppy Marines....

    After becoming exasperated with evidence of low discipline and sloppy appearances, a two-star general overseeing most East Coast-based ground combat Marines has fired off a policy letter mandating when troops must wake up, clean and eat each day.
    The April 16 policy letter, signed by Maj. Gen. David Furness, commanding general of 2nd Marine Division out of Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, expresses concern that the Marines within the division have let their standards slide.

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    "In my travels with the Sergeant Major and Command Master Chief throughout the Division spaces, I have noticed a significant decline in the basic discipline of our warriors," Furness wrote. "Because the 2nd Marine Division has the majority of personnel assigned to Camp Lejeune, we will take ownership of this problem and FIX IT immediately."
    2nd Marine Division is one of three active-duty Marine divisions worldwide and is made up of some 20,000 troops.
    The division public affairs office confirmed that a policy letter had been disseminated.
    Furness wrote that he has seen Marines and sailors with 2nd Marine Division walking around with long hair, "nonexistent or poor shaves," worn-out boots and inappropriate civilian attire.
    "There are weeds growing around our buildings and work spaces and trash everywhere but the dumpsters where it belongs," he wrote. "These are just a few examples of the lack of discipline seen across the board that will not be tolerated in this Division any longer."
    He detailed a 24-hour "basic daily routine" that he said he expects every single Marine and sailor in the division to follow, beginning with division-wide reveille every morning at 5:30 a.m.
    From 5:35 to 6 a.m., troops are expected to conduct hygiene activities and room clean-up, leaving "blinds half-mast," according to the order. Physical training and barracks common area clean-up will follow from 6 to 8 a.m. Mandatory platoon or company formations and inspections will happen from 8 to 8:15 before the workday begins. Troops are allowed an hour to eat from noon to 1 p.m. and then must wrap up the day with another formation, from 4:30 to 4:45 p.m.
    Furness appealed to the troops' identity as Marines in asking them to embrace the regimented schedule.
    "Part of what makes us different from our sister services and American society is the regimentation of our daily lives," he wrote. "Adherence to orders and standards helps foster mutual trust in one another and produces the attention to detail required to be effective when called upon to fight as our nation's 911 Force."
    First Lt. Thomas Kleiber, a division spokesman, said the letter essentially reinforces practices that are already in place.
    "Obviously, the letter is an internal document and commanders reserve the right to direct their units as they see fit," Kleiber told "Commanders have the authority and responsibility to direct their units in the way that it feels appropriate and promotes mission accomplishment. I donít think this order is unusual in its attempt to accomplish that."
    It's not immediately clear how the daily routine will apply to Marines who live off-base or outside the barracks, although Furness does note that unit leaders will be able to modify the routine based on obligations. It's also not fully clear whether the routine applies only to weekdays, although it appears to. What is clear is that there are stiff consequences for Marines who don't fall in line.
    "Any dissenters can answer to myself, the Division [sergeant major] or the [command master chief] and will be dealt with accordingly. Can each of you live up to the mantra of 'If I was accused of being a Marine/Sailor today, would there be enough evidence to convict me?'" Furness wrote. "At this time across our force I believe the answer for many is no, and it needs to be corrected immediately."
    While it's fairly uncommon for a senior military official to get involved in the minutia of troops' daily routines, it's not without precedent.
    In 2013, Army Command Sgt. Major Dale Perez, the senior enlisted soldier at the Army National Training Center at Fort Irwin, California, fired off a sharply worded Facebook post aimed at troops and family members on base, particularly those who shopped at the commissary, demanding they clean up after themselves.
    "Take your garbage and shop off post if you can't pick up after yourself," he wrote.
    Furness, who took command of 2nd Marine Division last August, is a career infantry officer who joined the Marine Corps in 1987 after graduating from the Virginia Military Institute. He has led Marines on deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and his awards include two Bronze Stars with combat distinguishing device, according to his official military biography.

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    That sure didn't happen in the 1st Division. Of course we were busy killing gooks back in the day. And, may I add that we certainly did a great job. 5th Marines all the way. Just saying.

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    Yes Russ, Command really didn't pizz and moan about Marine Grunts, as we were doing all the dirty work, like sending gooks to the "Big Budda" in the sky. Also, we were well known to triple our Quota of rotting gook bodies. I often shed a muddy tear for them. Although it was a great Honor to be snuffed out by a Marine Grunt, some said they weren't ready to die. However, we knew how much they lied, and pleased Big Budda daily. Kim, Our Brother Russ, made "Grunt of the month", 4 months running with the 5th. He was Honored for his ability to save ammunition. They called him Rabbit....because he would chase the gooks down and physically explain the realm of death personally with them.

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    definitely not a "new thang" in our Corps, junior enlisted have been getting pretty sloppy for years now, and unfortunately, too many senior NCO's and junior officers seem to be more concerned with "buddying up" to the troops than in enforcing discipline and reinforcing training knowledge and regimens.... Far too many are judges by their "PFT" score, and allowed to skate when it comes to military appearance and presence, cleanliness, and most importantly JOB KNOWLEDGE!!!!... Just because some clown can score a "perfect 300" on the PFT does NOT make them a "perfect Marine", but far too many are accepted as such based on that almighty score.... I don't much care if you can run 3 miles in 18 minutes or less, you STILL will not outrun a well aimed 5.56mm or 7.62mm round fired by some guy that takes 30 minutes to run that distance.... Quality over quantity, in ALL aspects of being a MARINE.....

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    I remember the old days well, we were all ruled by fear. Remember the old one, "can't means wouldn't, and wouldn't means jail." Marine Brigs were not for the faint of heart back then, so I'm told. Lesser offenses meant endless working parties.

    Believe it or not, as a Lance, I was one of the 3 platoon leaders in our final training company before shipping out for the Nam. If somebody ****ed me off they received weekend duty instead of having liberty. Of course I had to assign so many bodies for weekend duty anyway, might as well be them as they "asked" for it.

    In the Nam, any fuvckups got burning the ****ters every morning and perimeter guard every night whenever we went in to An Hoa for 2 or 3 days (of course we all got perimeter guard every 3rd night if we were still there anyway). But it meant you couldn't get drunk every night while there.

    Of course we had ways of messing with a new officer if required. In the bush we could salute the officer whenever he came up to us, we get threatened but everyone would say that we always went by the rules, he didn't know. Back at base camp one particular assswhite Lt. got the surprise of his life when he opened his bunker door (yeah, he had a door on his bunker). When that trip flare went off when he opened the bunker door one of the guys said "Damn, I at 1st thought that was a grenade." Next morning none of us ever saw that Lt. again.

    I sometimes wonder how our new breed of Marines could handle the way the USMC used to be. Staff NCO's making friends, I still remember the young prive that walked by a Sgt Maj in the barracks hallway and said "Hi sarge." The yelling and screaming went on forever. Some funny shivt.

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    Sounds to me like some officers need correction and guidance. Maybe relieved of command. That kind of stuff is definitely a leadership issue.

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    exactly right, it IS a "leadership issue"... and you do not have to F*** with the troops to be a leader, nor do you have to be their "buddy"... what you MUST do is lead by example, train them to excellence, and lead from the FRONT.... a good NCO takes care of his troops, and they will take care of him... they'll follow him to hell and tell the devil we're taking over without hesitation.... a bad NCO (or officer) will get shoved into the "express elevator to hell" and the door slammed shut for a "lone wolf attack" on old Beelzebub, good luck with that one there dip$hit.....

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