MOS Help

[Takarixx]

I ship to boot camp next month on the 17th, and currently my MOS is Programmer ada, I love science and electronics, programing and computers. So I wanted to know if there's anyone who could give me a more in depth description of how life as programmer in the marine corps is.

Poole Oden

[josephd]

didn't even know that was a MOS option. if that is what you are interested in though, good for you. not sure what kind of training or certifications are involved(if any) but I can bet that it will be some good knowledge and will carry over well to civilian side. Probably requires a security clearance too which is huge if you utilize it correctly

I'd imagine that MOS is a pretty small community and you'll get to know some high ranking Marines in positions that can make a good career for you if you play your cards right(and you're squared away).

[USMC 2571]

Sounds like a great MOS, especially in this day and age. Good luck.

[LCPL1341]

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/sh...ADA-Programmer Here you go; info given by a former 4067. It sounds like a great MOS, good luck.

[Tennessee Top]

Don't know how this MOS fits in the cyberwarfare field (if at all). But, cyber security is the future of information technology (IT) in all branches of the military and Department of Defense.

The Secretary of Defense has stated he would like for there to be some way to bring cyberwarfare technicians into the military at mid-career level positions. In other words, bring them in as Sergeants and Staff Sergeants instead of privates. This is the only way to lure them away from MICROSOFT, APPLE, etc.

Beginning with Fiscal Year 2016 (starting on October 1st), the USMC is offering reenlistment bonuses for first term Marines in these MOS's:

0689 Cyber security technician - $51,000 (Cpl) and $56,000 (Sgt)

0651 Cyber network operator - $24,500 (LCpl), $28,000 (Cpl) and $30,750 Sgt

0681 Information security technician - $20,250 (LCpl), $23,250 (Cpl), $25,500 (Sgt)

[MunkyVsRobot]

dont know how thats possible cause tried to look that up unless it is a new MOS

http://www.marines.mil/News/Messages...ional-pmo.aspx

Date Signed: 5/05/2004
MARADMINS Active Number: 203/04
R 051500Z MAY 04
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(uc)
TO AL MARADMIN(uc)
MARADMIN
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MARADMIN 203/04
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MP//
SUBJ/CAREER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENLISTED MARINES WITH PRIMARY MILITARY
/OCCUPATIONAL (PMOS) 1181 AND 4067 (CORRECTED COPY)//
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GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. PURPOSE. TO ANNOUNCE THE CANCELLATION OF AND
CAREER OPPORTUNITIES WHICH EXIST FOR MARINES WITH PMOS 1181 AND
4067.
2. BACKGROUND. DC I&L AND DIR C4 NO LONGER REQUIRE FABRIC REPAIR
AND PROGRAMMER CAPABILITIES. AS OF 1 OCT 2005, THERE WILL NO
LONGER BE A MANPOWER REQUIREMENT FOR PMOS 1181 AND 4067.
3. THERE ARE CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 200 ENLISTED MARINES WHO
POSSESS THESE SKILLS. FOR EACH MARINE WHO DESIRES TO REMAIN ON
ACTIVE DUTY, THE MARINE CORPS WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MEET THE
MARINE'S LATERAL MOVE (LAT MOVE) CHOICE, PROVIDE TRAINING INTO
ANOTHER JOB SPECIALTY, AND PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE 20
YEARS OF SERVICE. THIS MARADMIN PRESENTS CAREER OPPORTUNITIES FOR
THESE MARINES AND PLACES MARINES WITH THESE SKILLS INTO ONE OF FIVE
CATEGORIES:
A. ACTIVE DUTY FIRST TERM MARINES WITH AN END OF ACTIVE SERVICE
(EAS) IN FY05.
B. ACTIVE DUTY FIRST TERM MARINES WITH AN EAS IN FY06 AND BEYOND.
C. ACTIVE DUTY CAREER MARINES IN THE GRADES OF CORPORAL OR
SERGEANT.
D. ACTIVE DUTY CAREER MARINES IN THE GRADES OF STAFF SERGEANT AND
ABOVE.
E. RESERVE MARINES.
4. ALL MARINES POSSESSING THE 1181 AND 4067 PMOS SHOULD CONTACT
THEIR CAREER RETENTION SPECIALIST ASAP TO DISCUSS OPTIONS.
A. ACTIVE DUTY FIRST TERM MARINES WITH AN EAS IN FY05.
(1) THERE ARE NO 1181 AND 4067 FTAP BOATSPACE ALLOCATIONS FOR FY05.
(2) MARINES DESIRING FURTHER SERVICE MUST LAT MOVE TO A NEW PMOS.
FROM NOW THROUGH 31 AUG 2004, THESE MARINES MAY SUBMIT FOR LAT MOVE
TO ANY PMOS LISTED IN PAR 5 AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MOS
REQUIREMENTS (LESS FORMAL SCHOOLS) OUTLINED IN REF A. ALL REQUESTS
FOR LAT MOVE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF B. LAT MOVE
ASSIGNMENT WILL BE CONTINGENT UPON AVAILABLE TRAINING, AND
INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS (I.E., ASVAB SCORES, YEARS OF SERVICE,
GRADE, ETC).
(3) MARINES DENIED FURTHER SERVICE BECAUSE OF NO OPPORTUNITY TO LAT
MOVE MAY RATE SEPARATION PAY AS DETERMINED BY CMC (MMEA-6).
B. ACTIVE DUTY FIRST TERM MARINES WITH AN EAS IN FY06 AND BEYOND.
(1) MARINES DESIRING FURTHER SERVICE MUST LAT MOVE TO A NEW PMOS.
FROM NOW THROUGH 31 AUG 2004, THESE MARINES MAY SUBMIT FOR LAT MOVE
TO ANY PMOS LISTED IN PAR 5 AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MOS
REQUIREMENTS (LESS FORMAL SCHOOLS) OUTLINED IN REF A. ALL REQUESTS
FOR LAT MOVE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF B. LAT MOVE
ASSIGNMENT WILL BE CONTINGENT UPON AVAILABLE TRAINING, AND
INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS (I.E., ASVAB SCORES, YEARS OF SERVICE,
GRADE, ETC).
(2) MARINES WHO WAIT BEYOND 31 AUG 2004 WILL BE OFFERED LAT MOVE
CHOICES DURING THEIR EAS FISCAL YEAR.
(3) LAT MOVES REQUIRE A 2 YEAR OBLIGATION UPON COMPLETION OF
TRAINING. MARINES MAY HAVE TO EXTEND IN ORDER TO MEET THE 2 YEAR
POST TRAINING OBLIGATION.
(4) MARINES DENIED FURTHER SERVICE BECAUSE OF NO OPPORTUNITY TO LAT
MOVE MAY RATE SEPARATION PAY AS DETERMINED BY CMC (MMEA-6).
C. ACTIVE DUTY CAREER MARINES IN THE GRADES OF CORPORAL OR
SERGEANT.
(1) THESE MARINES MAY SUBMIT FOR LAT MOVE NOW TO ANY PMOS LISTED IN
PAR 5 AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MOS REQUIREMENTS (LESS FORMAL
SCHOOLS) OUTLINED IN REF A. ALL REQUESTS FOR LAT MOVE SHOULD BE
SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF B.
(2) FINAL ASSIGNMENT WILL BE CONTINGENT UPON AVAILABLE TRAINING, AND
INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS (I.E., ASVAB SCORES, YEARS OF SERVICE,
GRADE, ETC).
(3) LAT MOVES REQUIRE A 2 YEAR OBLIGATION UPON COMPLETION OF
TRAINING. MARINES MAY HAVE TO EXTEND IN ORDER TO MEET THE 2 YEAR
POST TRAINING OBLIGATION.
(4) INFORMATION ON PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM AND
OFFICER COMMISSIONING PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE FROM UNIT CAREER
PLANNERS.
(5) MARINES WHO CHOOSE NOT TO LAT MOVE WILL EXPERIENCE NEGATIVE
PROMOTION OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE.
(6) MARINES REACHING SERVICE LIMITS OUTLINED IN REF C WILL NOT
NORMALLY BE APPROVED FOR CONTINUED SERVICE.
(7) MARINES DENIED FURTHER SERVICE BECAUSE OF NO OPPORTUNITY TO LAT
MOVE MAY RATE SEPARATION PAY AS DETERMINED BY CMC (MMEA-6).
D. ACTIVE DUTY CAREER MARINES IN THE GRADES OF STAFF SERGEANT AND
ABOVE.
(1) MARINES MAY SUBMIT FOR LAT MOVE NOW TO ANY PMOS LISTED IN PAR 5
AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MOS REQUIREMENTS (LESS FORMAL SCHOOLS)
OUTLINED IN REF A. ALL REQUESTS FOR LAT MOVE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN
ACCORDANCE WITH REF B.
(2) SNCOS SHOULD CONSIDER CAREER TRACKS WHICH FEED EITHER THE CAREER
RECRUITER (PRIMARY MOS 8412) PROGRAM OR FIRST SERGEANT/SERGEANT
MAJOR (PRIMARY MOS 9999).
(3) INFORMATION ON PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM AND
OFFICER COMMISSIONING PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE FROM UNIT CAREER
PLANNERS.
(4) MARINES WHO CHOOSE TO REMAIN IN PMOS 1181 OR 4067 CAN EXPECT TO
REMAIN ON ACTIVE DUTY UNTIL FMCR ELIGIBLE. ONCE FMCR ELIGIBLE,
MARINES MUST RETIRE AT EAS OR SERVICE LIMITS WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.
(5) SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS WILL PROVIDE THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY
FOR PROMOTION.
E. RESERVE MARINES WITH A PRIMARY MOS OF 1181 OR 4067 MAY ELECT ONE
OF THE FOLLOWING CAREER TRANSITION OPTIONS BASED ON RESERVE
CATEGORY:
(1) MEMBERS OF SELECTED MARINE CORPS RESERVE (SMCR) UNITS.
(A) MARINES POSSESSING AN ADDITIONAL MOS (AMOS) RATED AT THEIR RUC
FOR WHICH A VACANCY EXISTS MAY REMAIN AT THAT RUC AND FILL THE
BILLET VACANCY. APPROPRIATE UNIT DIARY ENTRIES WILL BE MADE
CHANGING THE AMOS TO PMOS.
(B) MARINES MAY RETRAIN TO A MOS VACANCY AT THEIR CURRENT RUC AS
LONG AS THEY MEET THE MOS REQUIREMENTS (LESS FORMAL SCHOOLS)
OUTLINED IN REF A. MARINES WILL CONTACT MARFORRES (G3) TRAINING NLT
1 JULY 2004 TO DISCUSS RETRAINING OPTIONS.
(C) MARINES WILLING TO TRANSFER TO ANOTHER RESERVE UNIT MAY HAVE
ADDITIONAL RETRAINING OPTIONS. MARINES CONSIDERING AN INTER-UNIT
TRANSFER (IUT) WILL CONTACT CMC (CMT) FOR CAREER COUNSELING AND
COORDINATE TRANSFER VIA THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. IUT MOS RETRAINING
WILL QUALIFY FOR PRIOR SERVICE TRAINING ASSIGNMENT (PSTA) PROGRAM
FUNDING AND SCHOOL SEAT ASSIGNMENT. PSTA RETRAINING WILL BE
COORDINATED WITH CMC (RAP) VIA A PRIOR SERVICE RECRUITER AT TIME OF
ACCESSION TO A GAINING UNIT.
(D) MARINES NOT WILLING TO RETRAIN MUST TRANSFER TO THE INDIVIDUAL
READY RESERVE (IRR). EARLY RELEASE FROM DRILLING OBLIGATION IS
AUTHORIZED.
(2) MEMBERS OF THE INDIVIDUAL MOBILIZATION AUGMENTEE (IMA) PROGRAM.
(A) IMA MARINES MAY REMAIN IN THEIR CURRENT BILLET UNTIL TOUR
EXPIRATION DATE. TOUR EXTENSION REQUESTS WILL NOT BE AUTHORIZED.
(B) IMA MARINES POSSESSING AN AMOS RATED AT A COMMAND FOR WHICH A
VACANT FUNDED BILLET EXISTS MAY REMAIN AT THAT COMMAND AND FILL THE
BILLET VACANCY. APPROPRIATE UNIT DIARY ENTRIES WILL BE MADE
CHANGING THE AMOS TO PMOS.
(C) OPERATIONAL SPONSORS DESIRING TO RETAIN AN IMA MARINE, BUT IN A
DIFFERENT BILLET, MAY OFFER RETRAINING AS A CONDITION OF ASSIGNMENT
TO A SUBSEQUENT IMA TOUR. FUNDING FOR RETRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED
BY THE OPERATIONAL SPONSOR.
(D) IMA MARINES WILL TRANSFER TO THE IRR UPON COMPLETION OF THEIR
CURRENT TOUR. IMA MEMBERS MAY RECEIVE MOS RETRAINING AS A CONDITION
OF SMCR UNIT AFFILIATION VIA THE PSTA PROGRAM. INDIVIDUALS SHOULD
CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PRIOR SERVICE RECRUITER CONCERNING SMCR UNIT
AFFILIATION/PSTA RETRAINING OPTIONS.
(3) MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE RESERVE (AR) PROGRAM WILL CONTACT CMC
(RAM-2) IMMEDIATELY TO DISCUSS RETRAINING AND CAREER OPTIONS.
(4) MEMBERS OF THE IRR.
(A) IRR MEMBERS, TO INCLUDE MARINES WHO LEAVE THE ACTIVE COMPONENT
AS A RESULT OF MOS PHASE OUT, ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR MOS RETRAINING
UNLESS THEY ARE MOBILIZED, ACCEPTED FOR SMCR UNIT AFFILIATION, OR
ACCESSED INTO THE AR PROGRAM AS A PRIOR SERVICE MARINE. RETRAINING
OPTIONS WILL BE DISCUSSED AT TIME OF MOBILIZATION, AFFILIATION WITH
SMCR UNIT, OR ACCESSION INTO THE AR PROGRAM.
(B) IRR MARINES POSSESSING AN AMOS MAY REQUEST AN MOS CONVERSION
FROM AMOS TO PMOS FROM MOBCOM. APPROPRIATE UNIT DIARY ENTRIES WILL
BE MADE BY MOBCOM TO AFFECT THE MOS CHANGE.
(5) INFORMATION ON RESERVE OFFICER PROGRAMS, SUCH AS THE RESERVE
WARRANT OFFICER OR ENLISTED COMMISSIONING PROGRAMS, IS AVAILABLE
FROM UNIT CAREER PLANNERS FOR SMCR AND AR PERSONNEL. IMA AND IRR
MARINES SHOULD CONTACT MOBCOM FOR MORE INFORMATION.
5. ACTIVE DUTY LAT MOVE CHOICES. THE FOLLOWING SKILLS ARE
AVAILABLE:
0211, 0231, 0291, 0311, 0321, 0352, 0481, 0491, 0612, 0613, 0621,
0627, 0681, 0689, 0861, 1141, 1142, 1812, 1833, 2141, 2147, 2149,
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6433, 6461, 6464, 6467, 6469, 6483, 6484, 6493, 6672, 7041, 7212,
7236, 7257, 7291, 7314, 7372, 7382, 8412, 8421
6. IT IS CRUCIAL THAT MARINES BEGIN TALKING TO THEIR CAREER
RETENTION SPECIALISTS TO ENSURE THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR
TRANSITION AND RETRAINING.
7. POC FOR ACTIVE DUTY POLICY MATTERS IS CAPT HENRY CRUSOE. POC
FOR ACTIVE DUTY CAREER RETENTION AND DEVELOPMENT INFORMATION IS
MGYSGT SUMABAT. POC FOR RESERVE MATTERS IS MAJ OGREN.//

looks like they got rid of that MOS in 04

[Tennessee Top]

We need a bag of popcorn icon.

[MunkyVsRobot]

I cant help it im intel which makes me naturally suspicious.

[Takarixx]

Thank you everyone very helpful

[TolzerVman]

It is not listed in NAVMC 1200.1 or NAVMC 1008-A. You may end up in communications. When I enlisted, it was the Ground Administrative Option. I could end up in Communications or Computers as a programmer. I ended up as a Communications Centerman which has morphed into 0653. That is listed as Defense Message System Specialist(NMOS). I left the Corps in 1984, so I do not know what NMOS means. It seems you must first be a 0651.

[Tennessee Top]

NMOS: Necessary MOS (non-PMOS that has a prerequisite of one or more PMOS's).

PMOS: Primary MOS

FMOS: Free MOS (non-PMOS that can be filled by any Marine regardless of PMOS)

EMOS: Exception MOS (non-PMOS generally FMOS, but includes exception that requires a PMOS)

AMOS: Additional MOS

[TolzerVman]

Thank you.

[joseywales]

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