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05-06-13, 04:17 PM #1
I've Been Putting This Off For a Long Time...
Afternoon Marines, first poster here.
I'm not quite sure where to start off, so I'll just start doing a brain dump. I'm a prior Sergeant, 7041/0916 with a little over a year of IRR Duty left on my contract. Back in 2006, I was told that if I went in as an Open Contract, I would get an 03 MOS like I wanted. I'm sure you all know where this is going.
Since I was a kid, I had always wanted to join the military and get into an SF position of some sort. Well, fate would have it another way and I got stuck riding a desk for four years. My only outlet for my frustration was being a Martial Arts Instructor and taking Tactical Shooting course slots whenever they would come around.
At the end of my Active Contract, I was slated to go CI/HUMINT. I passed the screening board and got the acceptance letter; however, I made one fatal mistake: I went home on leave for two weeks before signing the contract. I thought home is where I wanted to be and ended up EASing. A few years later, I have a degree in IT, a house after living in multiple apartments, and a girlfriend of 2+ years that I can see myself marrying.
Thing is, something just hasn't felt right since I've been out. Getting stuck in my standard-issue office chair for 4 years despite my original intentions left me overall unfulfilled and still wanting to go out and get some. I know most of you may ask "well, why did you get out in the first place?", and I honestly don't have an answer to that.
I'm tired of sitting at a desk when I'd rather be out in MOUT town or at the range. So, I guess I realize I made a huge mistake and I should have stayed in and lat-moved, but now I'm asking for help. I go through bouts of severe depression when I think about what I wanted to do with my life and the fact that I'm now 26 and nearing the point where most SF Schools won't take me once I age another year (correct me if I'm wrong).
The other thing to this dilemma is the old girl. Please spare me the "you ain't married yet, son. Go do your thing" bs. I heard all of that my entire career in the Marines. It's a different situation when you've lived with them for the entire stint of your relationship. She may as well be my wife. What can I do to relieve myself of this desk that I've been sitting in almost my entire adult life?
-I've considered LEO, but I heard that I'd have to patrol for at least 2 years before I could try out for SWAT or Sniper school.
-I've considered Army Reserves and have actually been in an Army Recruiting office to speak with someone:
1. I'd only get E4, and it probably won't even be Corporal E4.
2. I'm not sure if our relationship can handle the strain of a 1 year Deployment.
3. I'd eventually try out for SF, and they have Reserve SF Units (which is weird to me, but beneficial).
-I've contacted a Prior Service USMC Recruiter about lat-moving to an 03 MOS and going Reserves. He told me I missed the mark by 1 month due to a new MarAdmin. It states that an E5 with 2 years TIG cannot lat-move.
-Considered MARSOC but again, I don't know how difficult deploying with a loved one back home is.
I guess I'm just asking for advice. How do I beat the 1st CivDiv blues, what are my options, what suggestions do you guys have for relationships being put on Deployment strain, similar stories, etc. etc.
Yes, I know and weighed the potential implications of getting into an 03 Unit as an NCO. I've read the stories and heard the complaints. I would have done it and listened to a non-boot LCpl. I'm not dumb enough to assume I know more about combat just because I have more chevrons on my collar. People's lives would depend on me not being full of myself.
**inb4 "lol POG just stay at your desk."
05-07-13, 08:00 AM #2
I'm a Nam vet (class of 68-69), served with the 1/5 and 3/5. Believe me, you wouldn't want to have been with us. Nothing but hardship and death all around us. Anyway, being an 03 doesn't seem to be an option for you at this time so let it go.
Do not dismiss becoming a Law Enforcement Officer. When I got out in the beginning of 70 I was recruited and became a Police Officer. I had 1 heck of an experience riding the projects for my 1st 5 years, then I became a SWAT officer. Many heavy experiences feeding my adrenaline addiction. With a degree you could also become a FED, but I do believe that the "excitement" would be in becoming a large city officer in the projects, if you can pass the entry requirements.
Benefits would be better pay, no long deployments in **** holes, more personal decision making, satisfaction in helping people directly and taking ass holes off the streets.
Being a Marine with a degree would open a lot of doors for you.
Point is you must make a decision to be either a "doer" or a "dreamer."
05-07-13, 08:18 AM #3
As far as beating the first civ div blues, man that just takes time. There is no job in the civilian world, maybe LEO - but very few occupations where you get close to that feeling of being in.
Unfortunately we only realize this once we get out. Happens to all of us, or those who didn't do twenty but look back and wonder why.
Just find something you love, and more than one thing if you're like me and get bored quickly - and give it all you have.
Easier said than done.
I have no relationship advice. I am married to a woman I dumped back in the day to go over to Greece and party like a rockstar. Then once I got out we hooked back up and now I'm "living the dream" -- wife, crumb snatcher, house, dog, blah, blah. It's tough to be a Marine or door kicker and be in a relationship. If i were you i would pick one 'goal' and stick to it for a few years. If you get rid of the girl you can go boot stomp for a few years and fill that void, then find another girl.
Or you can settle down and deal with it.......
05-07-13, 09:48 AM #4
Thanks for the response. How often did you get range time as a normal LEO? What sort of training courses are offered to standard LEOs? Were you eligible for SWAT before that 5 year mark you mentioned? Did the SWAT training resemble legitimate military tactics, or was it just a bunch of Cops speculating? The reason I ask, and the reason I'm on the fence about Army Infantry, is that after being in the Marines I don't want to do something else and just feel like a kid with a squirt gun.
05-07-13, 09:56 AM #5
I appreciate the feedback. You've given me some thinking points to consider, thanks. Yes, hindsight is always 20/20, and I should have just taken my reenlistment package and run with it. I can't just give the old girl the boot, though. I'd be doing the same thing with her that I did with the Marines: ending it and regretting it soon after. I guess life is about learning and moving on despite your mistakes. Perhaps I'll find something to fill the void soon enough.
05-07-13, 10:43 AM #6
So, do you work at Kent State University or are you a student there ?
05-07-13, 10:50 AM #7
I was a student there at one point. Why do you ask?
05-07-13, 10:59 AM #8
Because if your an ITT Tech like your profile says and you are working at Kent, that seems like a great job and a great life.
Most than most people have right now...
05-07-13, 11:09 AM #9
Under colleges attended it says "Kent State University, ITT Tech". ITT Tech is a Technical Institute, not a job title. I work at a small business in Cuyahoga Falls, OH. In my eyes, it doesn't matter how much or how little I have. If I'm unhappy, I'm unhappy. I won't excel doing what I'm not happy doing.
05-07-13, 11:21 AM #10
Oh, because in your post you never mentioned that.
You said you have a degree in IT, your own home, a nice girl, etc.
We are only trying to help a Brother here because you asked a multitude of questions.
But, if you are unhappy, your unhappy.
Have you thought about being a Private Contractor to fill the void ?
There are members here who are.
05-07-13, 12:09 PM #11
Being a Police Officer is much like being a Marine. The training is hard, and the streets are hard. My academy was 16 weeks and there was a weekly test, fail 1 test and you're out. PT every day. Range training is with pistols or revolvers and shotguns. We shot from 7, 21 and 50 yards. Very realistic training and we learned to clear buildings, much like Hue City but you can't just blow the **** out of the place and then go in. You'll also have yearly inservice training, qualifying at least every year, and you can also go to the ranges on your own.
SWAT took me 5 years because I was in the 1st class back in 75, there was no SWAT prior to that in most departments. But you have to be good. I was only 1 of 22 chosen out of an 1,800 man department. Calm, cool, level headed and not afraid to pull the trigger if need be. You'll do so much shooting, combat courses that you'll get tired of it. Drill, drill, drill! You'll become proficient in hand to hand, knife, or just using whatever is available way beyond what I learned as a Marine. You'll repel from helicopters, use full auto weapons, granades and depending on your ability you'll be chosen for sniper, perimeter lockdown or an entry team. I was on 1 of the 4 man entry "Cobra" teams. We neutralized the barricaded hostage situations, and we took them all alive during my time (much higher level compared to just killing them). Though I haven't been through Recon or SF training I would suggest the training is much like that.
But, just being an ordinary street cop is what I enjoyed best. Lots of action, I've been to 8 separate shootings during 1 evening once. Being in high crime areas where we had 3 new holdups going on an no cars to send because we were all tied up on other crimes. Even today when I hear the sirens or see the blue lights, well, it's still like the "call of the wild" to me. And as a benny, you won't believe all the women you'll meet in all the clubs and bars and the nurses at the hospitals and the attorneys and on and on and on.
I actually preferred being a cop compared to being a Marine because even back in the 70's we were treated with a much greater degree of respect. It was kind of like being a Centurion back in the legions, we were the law givers. There's an old MC slogan, "you can't understand it from the outside, and I can't explain it from the inside." I just thought of something, just like the MC the cops always kept sending me into all the **** holes. I guess we like what we're good at. Just saying.
05-07-13, 12:19 PM #12
My father actually just suggested that, funny you should mention it. I'm doing a lot of research on that particular subject, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of information on it. From what I understand, most PMC companies won't take someone who isn't a combat veteran? Please fill me in if you have relevant information.
05-07-13, 12:22 PM #13
Again, thank you for all of the information. I sent some questions to a couple Police Academies about an hour ago. Hopefully I'll get some responses here soon.
05-07-13, 12:29 PM #14
They like clearances, with a good attitudes - and a willingness to learn.
If you want to be a gunslinger then combat vet/SF background is a plus. But plenty of people work overseas who have neither.
Why not try for something along the lines of what you already know.
Personally, I would explore reenlistment options if you want/are willing to go overseas -- while you are still 'young.'
05-07-13, 12:31 PM #15
Well, I have a SECRET and put in all of the paperwork for TS/SCI. It came back as "eligible" but never went any further since I EASd. I'm on the fence between this whole LEO thing and Army Reserves. I think my problem is that even I don't know what I want to do.
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