Over 12 killed in CT school shooting

[ameriken]

CNN now reporting at least 20 killed incuding 10 children

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ABC: More Than a Dozen Killed, Including Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting Connecticut Elementary School Shooting: Parent Interview By RICHARD ESPOSITO, CANDACE SMITH (@CandaceSmith_) and CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)

Dec. 14, 2012

More than a dozen people, including elementary school children, were shot and killed at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school this morning, federal and state sources tell ABC News.

A shooting involving two gunmen erupted at a Connecticut school this morning, prompting the town of Newtown to lock down all of its schools and draw SWAT teams to the school, authorities said today.

More: http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunmen-conn...ry?id=17973836

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[ChuckH]

That school is a few miles away from me...
The death toll now stands at 27 with 18 of them kids...

[ameriken]

yeah, I just heard 'closer to 30'.

[oldtop]

in addition to my prayers for the famalies, I also pray thet the "shooter(s)" were not former US Military personnel....we sure don't need another "EX_______ kills 26 in elementary school" type headline..... we're already on the HS list as "potential" home grown terrorists...

PS...ken..maybe you should consider moving this to the "political" forum, because it is likely to generate quite a bit of "controversy" to say the least...

[ameriken]

Ameriken, thanks for posting it, who knows when I would have heard about it. Just got home from driving home from court, 75 miles north of me, had the radio off as usual, so thank you for posting this.

I'm rather sorry that I had to post it. One has to wonder why 40, 50, 60 years ago young people (many of whom may have had guns) never turned them on anyone when they encountered problems in life, and yet today we have so many (especially young people in their teens and 20's) who are so ill-equipped to handle what life dishes out to them that they have to do something like this.

Guns aren't the problem, my opinion is this is the result of a politically correct society that has gone out of their way to protect children from developing their emotional muscles...we (society) are afraid to spank them, afraid to let them play dodge ball, afraid to let them go through a grade again after they failed it, afraid to let them lose a little league ball game. I think many kids are growing up with an emotional atrophy...if we protect them from everything when they are kids, they grow up without having developed an emotional muscle and a sense of responsibility and true self-esteem. Then when they become adults and life starts shoveling **** their way, they have no clue how to handle it and just explode.

[ameriken]

We can start another thread, but I intentionally placed it here because I felt it was of interest to both Marines and other members and guests and I didn't want to politicize the deaths of these kids.

[m14ed]

The Following is a [Quote] taken from Yahoo News...
President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

"We're still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut," Carney said when asked about the president's reaction to it.
Carney called the event "tragic" and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.
Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

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Click the following to read more \/

http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-to...GlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Normal , Isn't it ......

[oldtop]

latest word is the shooter was 24 yoa, killed his father in Hoboken NJ before coming to Newtown. His mother worked at the school in some capacity, and is also DOA.....

[ChuckH]

I live a few miles from there. Just was broadcast that his younger brother is now being held for questioning as it was reported earlier that there were 2 shooters.
SO far the news has only said that his mother was found dead, and most if not all of the kids who were shot were his mother's students.

[ChuckH]

That hasnt been reported yet, other than the shooters body is still in the classroom where he was shooting..

[MOS4429]

I'm rather sorry that I had to post it. One has to wonder why 40, 50, 60 years ago young people (many of whom may have had guns) never turned them on anyone when they encountered problems in life, and yet today we have so many (especially young people in their teens and 20's) who are so ill-equipped to handle what life dishes out to them that they have to do something like this.

Guns aren't the problem, my opinion is this is the result of a politically correct society that has gone out of their way to protect children from developing their emotional muscles...we (society) are afraid to spank them, afraid to let them play dodge ball, afraid to let them go through a grade again after they failed it, afraid to let them lose a little league ball game. I think many kids are growing up with an emotional atrophy...if we protect them from everything when they are kids, they grow up without having developed an emotional muscle and a sense of responsibility and true self-esteem. Then when they become adults and life starts shoveling **** their way, they have no clue how to handle it and just explode.

ameriken, I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis.

And it is not politicizing it when I add to this that in addition to ill-equipping our children, they are morally bankrupt. They are not taught the difference between right and wrong. They are taught moral relativism and to do whatever seems right in their own eyes. They are overstimulated with violence on television, movies, and video games - to the point that I believe they cannot differentiate the difference between reality and make believe.

We have a generation that has grown up not only morally bankrupt but a generation without God. I do not intend to hijack this thread, but in 1962, the Supreme Court removed God out of the public school, and since that date public education has been in decline at all levels. And we ask why?

No, this is not about guns. It is a reflection of a depraved society. Things that once appalled us now have become commonplace. We have heard so much evil that it doesn't bother us anymore. America is no longer guided by Christian principles. Secular humanism now directs the public affairs of our nation. This philosophy denies God, Christ and the Bible. When we remove God's standards, then man is free to substitute his own standards of morality and we disallow the divinity of Christ and His completed work on the cross. Then there is no longer any need for God and His atoning grace. The moral compass points to what is right in the eyes of each individual without respect to God's standards. And we have the audacity when something like this occurs to ask why?

I've said enough.

[ameriken]

Just started another thread about this in the Hooch but not necessarily about this particular one. Mods...this is not meant to duplicate this thread but rather open the issue up for some more opinonated Marine discussion. http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/sh...064#post893064

[MOS4429]

I would only add this:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14

America is full of pride. When will she wake up, humble herself, and turn to God?

[ChuckH]

AP: 27 Dead, including 18 children in Newtown school shooting

Updated: Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 3:18 PM EST
Published : Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 10:00 AM EST
3:18 UPDATE: President Obama: "Our hearts are broken today."

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2:58 p.m. UPDATE: AP source: Suspect in Connecticut school shootings is 24-year-old; younger brother being held.

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2:50 p.m. UPDATE: From ABC : "ABC confirms the mother of suspected shooter Ryan Lanza is among the dead at Newtown (CT) elementary-school mass shooting."
President Obama expected to speak about shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in #Newtown at 3:15 p.m.

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2:35 UPDATE: CNN and ABC have identified the Newtown school shooting suspect is Ryan Lanza. He is in his 20s. Connecticut authorities have not officially released any names.
Local and state police have surrounded a home in Newtown in connection with the gunman.

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1:50 UPDATE: Connecticut state police confirmed multiple fatalities in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Friday, including children.
"The public is not in danger," state police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance said in a news conference.
Lt. Vance confirmed the gunman is among those dead inside the school. He would not confirm reports that a second gunman was involved.
He said the gunman had a tie to the school, but he did not elaborate.
About 600 students go to Sandy Hook Elementary.

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1:30 UPDATE: The Associated Press reports the attacker in the Connecticut school shootings is a 20-year-old man with ties to the school, and one weapon used in the attack was a .223-caliber rifle.

[ameriken]

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