ATF Seeks Ban on Shotguns: Over 5 Rounds - Page 4
Create Post
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst 1234
Results 46 to 59 of 59
  1. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by DWG View Post
    Join and support the NRA!; A million voices are heard by the politicians much more than an individual. Remember New Orleans when the "authorities" forcibly disarmed lawful citizens and Australia where the "authorities" incrementally disarmed an entire nation. Let's not let it happen here. I don't always agree with the NRA, but without them we would really be screwed.

    BTW; has anyone vetted that alleged Lt.? If this is what the Corps has come to I am greatly concerned with its' future.
    good point

    The Proud, The Few, The Constitutional Marine

  2. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by DWG View Post
    BTW; has anyone vetted that alleged Lt.? If this is what the Corps has come to I am greatly concerned with its' future.
    In the War Room last night. Haven't checked this a.m.


  3. #48
    Is there any other recent news on this? The most recent I found about it was this from January 2012:

    Blocked funding for ATF's planned shotgun import ban already paying dividends

    St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 25 January, 2012 |

    Kurt Hofmann


    Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:57:33 PM by marktwain

    Last November, the "Fiscal Year 2012 Agriculture, Commerce/Justice/Science and Transportation/Housing/Urban Development Appropriations bills" omnnibus was signed into law. One provision of that law blocks funding for a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) plan to ban the importation of certain shotguns, based on their not being sufficiently suited to "sporting purposes." From AmmoLand.com:

    SEC. 541. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to pay the salaries or expenses of personnel to deny, or fail to act on, an application for the importation of any model of shotgun if– (1) all other requirements of law with respect to the proposed importation are met; and (2) no application for the importation of such model of shotgun, in the same configuration, had been denied by the Attorney General prior to January 1, 2011, on the basis that the shotgun was not particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

    We have talked about this insidious BATFE plot before.

    Particularly offensive was the BATFE's proposal to not only exploit the heinous "sporting purposes" requirement to justify gun bans, but to simply ignore sports of their choosing:

    Further, both studies concluded that the scope of “sporting purposes” did not include all lawful activity, but was limited to traditional sports such as hunting, skeet shooting, and trap shooting.

    The obvious motive here was to get around the fact that sports like 3-Gun are built around just the kinds of politically incorrect guns that the BATFE had hoped to ban. National Gun Rights Examiner David Codrea puts it this way:

    So now the fedgov presumes the power to be the final arbiter of “authorized sports”?

    For now, though, the BATFE has been thwarted. This year's SHOT (Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade) show, just wrapped




  4. #49

  5. #50
    Marine Free Member FistFu68's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Tombstone,Az
    Posts
    8,114
    Credits
    36,898
    Savings
    0
    Images
    148
    When they Outlaw Gun's only Outlaws will have Gun's


  6. #51
    Marine Free Member m14ed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Saugus, Massachusettes
    Posts
    3,367
    Credits
    34,211
    Savings
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke0402 View Post
    It's downright pitiful that you have to resort to personal attacks against a picture of someone just because they disagree with you and the mode allow it. Pitiful.
    Lieutenant

    the shame of it is that what i had quoted along with his picture was a lot more flamable than what is shown with it.

    Suffice it to say please ,99.44% of the time,, Conch posts as a troll
    Intentionally to cause ass rash.

    Getting to where i dont appreciate our todays "Professional Military" UNLESS THEY"RE GRUNTS.

    whiney assed kids brag about duty in an air conditioned control tower,
    give me a break...

    Sorry if im off the thread on this,
    Gentlemen



  7. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtrotOscar View Post
    Every law abiding household should have one...

    Attachment 22040
    i like it,,and i agree,,to quot Mr. T,,, "I pity the fool" who breaks in a house and this gets put in there face,,,

    The Proud, The Few, The Constitutional Marine

  8. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by DWG View Post
    Join and support the NRA!; A million voices are heard by the politicians much more than an individual. Remember New Orleans when the "authorities" forcibly disarmed lawful citizens and Australia where the "authorities" incrementally disarmed an entire nation. Let's not let it happen here. I don't always agree with the NRA, but without them we would really be screwed.

    BTW; has anyone vetted that alleged Lt.? If this is what the Corps has come to I am greatly concerned with its' future.
    While I agree with joining the NRA but I also disagree.. They do tend to have their own agenda that they push. They support some gun bills while they dont support others.


    Example my home state New Hampshire there was a bill to go permitless conceal carry. Which I am definately for, but they would not support the bill because it was limiting the rights of minors some how. My thoughts is WTF are minors doing and or needing to conceal firearms? They dont they should have supported it thats retarded. But it is good to join A group to help protect the 2nd amendment rights while we still have them.


  9. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by MunkyVsRobot View Post
    While I agree with joining the NRA but I also disagree.. They do tend to have their own agenda that they push. They support some gun bills while they dont support others.


    Example my home state New Hampshire there was a bill to go permitless conceal carry. Which I am definately for, but they would not support the bill because it was limiting the rights of minors some how. My thoughts is WTF are minors doing and or needing to conceal firearms? They dont they should have supported it thats retarded. But it is good to join A group to help protect the 2nd amendment rights while we still have them.
    i believe they were against a rider that was placed on the bill,,or i might be thinking of another bill,,

    The Proud, The Few, The Constitutional Marine

  10. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by FistFu68 View Post
    When they Outlaw Gun's only Outlaws will have Gun's
    Why do I see you as the "frito bandito" border bandit? Big ol' sombrero, M1 Garand, brace of 1911 .45s;

    Pancho FistFu68!!! Time comes I'll join your band,LOL!


  11. #56
    That's right! If you can't aim and hit what you want (DRT) then you won't be allowed to pee in my bathroom.


  12. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Gail P View Post
    That's right! If you can't aim and hit what you want (DRT) then you won't be allowed to pee in my bathroom.
    lol

    The Proud, The Few, The Constitutional Marine

  13. #58
    Squad Leader Free Member The DUKE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    binghamton
    Posts
    1,157
    Credits
    19,658
    Savings
    0
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    3
    Rumor Control--We Give You the Truth About the Shotgun Ban

    Posted on June 1, 2012




    NRA-ILA has received many inquiries about blog posts concerning a proposed shotgun import ban, and about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' solicitation of public comments about this issue.

    While this outrageous proposal clearly and convincingly demonstrates the Obama administration's anti-gun agenda, it is not breaking news; the comment period expired more than a year ago. NRA filed extensive comments opposing the ban. In addition, an appropriations amendment to block the new ban became law in November.

    We encourage all gun owners who are concerned about this issue to sign up to get the latest news from NRA-ILA today!

    Duke

  14. #59
    Squad Leader Free Member The DUKE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    binghamton
    Posts
    1,157
    Credits
    19,658
    Savings
    0
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    3

    The mentality of FEAR

    KNOX GUN-RIGHTS REPORT

    Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm

    Jeff Knox explains how irrational fear led to police-sanctioned murder

    by Jeff KnoxEmail | Archive Jeff Knox is a second-generation political activist and director of The Firearms Coalition.


    Erik Scott was a West Point graduate who went on to serve honorably in the Army, get his MBA from Duke and establish a lucrative career in real estate and as a sales rep for a medical device company. He was 38 years old when he was gunned down in 2010 in the portico of a Las Vegas area Costco store by officers from the Las Vegas Metro Police Department. While it was 7 bullets from the only people we’re supposed to trust with guns that snuffed out Erik Scott’s life, what really killed him was an irrational fear of firearms – hoplophobia.
    Scott and his girlfriend had been shopping in the Costco, but had been asked to leave when an employee spotted Scott’s lawfully carried handgun. Scott had inadvertently exposed the gun when he squatted down to inspect some merchandise. He informed the employee that he was legally carrying the gun and was in possession of a valid Nevada concealed weapons permit, but was informed that Costco has a policy against carrying firearms in their stores.

    A brief argument ensued, some raised voices and obvious frustration on Scott’s part, but witnesses said it didn’t seem like a big deal. They saw nothing particularly threatening about the incident or the clean-cut, good looking young man. The store manager who had spoken with Scott seemed satisfied by Scott’s reassurance that he was a legal firearm carrier and would be finished with his shopping in a few minutes. But a store Loss Prevention Officer called the police and reported that an armed man was behaving erratically in the store.
    That report, based on irrational fear, and perhaps some personal envy, triggered events which quickly spiraled out of control. It seems that the fear factor was taken up a notch with each description of the story to the point that responding officers believed they were going into a violent hostage situation with a heavily armed and dangerous Green Beret.
    Las Vegas MPD responded with a city-wide alert, street closures, helicopter support and deployment of a Mobile Command Center. The first officers on the scene arrived as Costco employees were following telephone instructions from the police to calmly evacuate the store.
    As Scott and his girlfriend fell in with other patrons flowing out of the exit door, the Loss Prevention Officer who started the whole mess pointed toward Scott and a police officer at the door suddenly began yelling “Stop! I said Stop! Drop the gun! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”
    He fired these conflicting commands in quick succession giving Scott no opportunity to comply with any of them and then fired two rounds at Scott’s chest. As the officer began yelling and Scott realized he was the subject of the commands, he turned, lifting his hands, and apparently tried to follow the legal requirement to immediately inform an officer that he was an armed weapons permit holder, but he didn’t have time.
    The officer’s frantic orders lasted for a slow count of 3 and were immediately followed by the two gunshots, a momentary pause, and a volley of several more shots. There was no pause or hesitation between the commands and the shots. The first round struck Erik Scott in the heart, the second hit his right thigh. As he collapsed to the ground, two other officers fired 5 more shots into his back. Numerous witnesses reported that they saw Scott turn and declare that he was a permit holder. Many said they could see both of his hands and that he made no threatening move. All agreed that the only gun they saw was the one in Scott’s waistband on his right hip.
    Other witnesses reported that they saw Scott’s body removed by EMTs and saw nothing on the ground except blood and a cell phone, or sun glasses. EMTs reported that they removed Scott’s gun and holster from the waistband of his jeans in the ambulance and that they saw no other gun, yet, after police broke into Scott’s apartment and confiscated the firearms there, the story came out that Scott was carrying two guns that day.
    A picture of the second gun, on the ground near a cell phone, after the blood on the pavement had been cleaned up, is the “proof” that Scott had two guns and pulled one on MPD officers. The store’s video surveillance system inexplicably malfunctioned for the several seconds of the shooting.
    A coroner’s inquest concluded that the shooting was justified, just as a similar inquest had concluded that the gunning down of an unarmed, small-time pot dealer in his apartment a short time before the Scott shooting was ruled to be justified. Just as such coroner’s inquests have concluded that officer involved shootings were justified in 199 out of 200 incidents since 1976.
    Erik Scott’s family has strongly contested the conclusions of the coroner’s inquest and the entire inquest process. They succeeded in getting some changes made to that process, but those changes have been held up by suits from the police union.
    The Scotts filed a wrongful death suit in federal court, but recently dropped that effort, convinced that they had no hope of winning with the system stacked against them.
    Erik Scott’s father, a former Air Force flight test engineer and writer for the prestigious aerospace magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology, has painted a sympathetic, fictionalized portrait of Erik and the events of that day as part of a new novel he is offering in serialized form at ThePermit.blogspot.com in hopes of maintaining awareness of Erik’s tragic death and bringing attention to corruption within the justice system and government of Las Vegas.
    The police have a difficult job. They are put in positions and asked to do things that most of us would run away from, but authority and power must be tempered with responsibility and accountability. For decades lawmakers and courts have built up walls of protection around police and other government workers. It is critical that these public servants be protected from frivolous suits and baseless harassment, but they must be held accountable for their actions and investigations into their activities must be beyond reproach. That is not the case currently.
    When one person’s irrational fear of a peacefully armed man can result in that man being gunned down by police with no consequences for anyone except the victim and his friends and family, something is terribly, terribly wrong. Hoplophobia killed Erik Scott and a corrupt system allowed his accusers and executioners get away with it.

    Duke

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not Create Posts
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts