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02-14-12, 06:35 PM #1
Marine Killed By Deputy in Orange Co.
"Sgt. Manuel Loggins Jr. was shot to death during the predawn hours Tuesday under largely unexplained circumstances in a parking lot at San Clemente High School."
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02-14-12, 06:49 PM #2
Strange story, Al, that's for sure. In one account the writer acts like nothing at all was wrong, the deputy just shot the man, but in the next story it turns out that the Marine drove his SUV through a locked gate at high speeds. Now that will draw the attention of a deputy, and then the deputy called for backup, and I guess backup arrived. And who knows what the commands were that were given to him.
We get half the story from the news media, then we have to look into a crystal ball for the other half.
I notice they leave out the comments made TO the deputies. I guess we're not supposed to know quite yet. Although they did say comments were made. We have to guess for now. Gotta love the media, Al.
02-14-12, 06:55 PM #3
I agree Dave, the thing that jumped out to me was the fact that it was his own children and he was unarmed. Really makes you wonder what the commands were. And how the kids were behaving. Screaming in fear or not? We'll probably never get the whole story on this one either.
02-14-12, 06:57 PM #4
The way they tell the story, Al, they want you to form a particular opinion. It's conceivable that the media knows more details but that would perhaps detract from the impression they would like to give, in a lot of cases.
It's like headlines that read "Man Kills Unarmed Teen", then come to find out the teen was unarmed, but he had twenty sticks of dynamite strapped to his chest and struck a match to light the fuse. An extreme example, but that's exactly the kind of thing that is reported at first, the headlines wanting you to have a certain reaction.
Thanks for posting that. Interesting story and tragic no matter how you look at it. Anytime someone is killed like that, justified or not, it is a sad thing. And the family suffers most.
02-14-12, 07:03 PM #5
02-14-12, 07:09 PM #6
Perfect example. Old Man Kills Innocent Kid, then come to find out the rest of the story, but doesn't Old Man Kills Kid sound a lot better than "Older Guy Gives Hoodlums A Run For Their Money""????
All these stories are tragic, but how about having the media come out with all the facts they have at the moment, rather than holding things back just to make what happened sound more senseless than it already was?
I remember a story "Gun-Toting Woman Shoots Homeless Man to Death"--------and lo and behold the homeless man had knocked on her door, she let him in her house. She was a widow who was 85 years old. He pulled out a knife and said he was going to get whatever money she had, then rape her then kill her, and she led him upstairs, saying she only had a thousand dollars or so, would that be enough, and of course his mouth watered when he heard those words.
When they got to the top of the stairs she rummaged around in the closet and found the loaded .38 in a holster hanging there that her late husband had kept for protection, turned around and shot him six times in the chest.
And the headlines said Gun Toting Woman Shoots Homeless Man to Death. And as usual, it also said "no charges are expected to be filed against her". Like there might be.
So these stories often end up being quite different from what they sound like, which is one of the main reasons the media makes them sound that way.
02-14-12, 07:20 PM #7
But what a tragic story, Al---let's follow it and see what the totality of the circumstances show......first thing you think about, besides those who died, are the families, the kids.
02-14-12, 07:24 PM #8
The kids in particular Dave, and it seems form the report Sgt. Loggins kids were nearby when the shooting occured.
02-14-12, 07:25 PM #9
Seems like they were IN his SUV, yes.
02-15-12, 01:54 AM #10
Waiting on the 'rest of the story' to come out on this one.
I weep for what this country is becoming, and fear for my children and grandchildren's future if any more democrats gain national office. We lose more and more freedoms every single day to creeping nannystatism and those who vote for Democrats only want to increase that. Anyone voting for a 'dem' is someone who likely wants to take everything YOU have worked for and mortgage your kids future as well.
The Malignant Leprechaun
02-15-12, 07:41 AM #11
Yeah, this one has caught my eye,, I can't see how it was justified, but I'll wait for more info before i totally blow my lid. WTF?
02-21-12, 04:28 PM #12
02-21-12, 06:53 PM #13
Justified the deputies killing of this MARINE???????????????????????????????????????????? Is this going to be a "Cover-Up"?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????
02-21-12, 06:56 PM #14
One thing for sure...... Orange County SO is in the "cover my a** mode!" You can bet on that!
02-21-12, 07:36 PM #15
i hope you will keep us all posted on this,, because there are two different pictures being painted by both the police and Camp Pen..and i tend to go with the people who worked with him everyday they would be the first to see a change in him....
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