A Smaller Corps, Sooner..Posted 20 August '11. WANNABEES TAKE HEED!

[Sgt Leprechaun]

POOLEES, WANNABEES AND OTHERS....TAKE HEED!


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Marine Corps Times
August 22, 2011
Pg. 16


Cover story


A Smaller Corps Sooner?


Budget pressure raises questions about drawdown plans


By Gina Cavallaro and Dan Lamothe


NEW ORLEANS -- The national budget crisis could force the Marine Corps to start cutting the force as soon as next fall, and below the 186,800-troop end strength top officers have pushed to maintain after the war in Afghanistan ends.


Commandant Gen. Jim Amos said the options must be considered as the federal government ponders widespread cuts to the defense budget to help the U.S. reduce its ballooning deficit. For months, the commandant has advocated a gradual drawdown of about 15,000 Marines from the service’s 202,000 active-duty end strength, but political and fiscal realities may require the Corps to cut deeper.


“There is pressure to go below the 186,800, I don’t want to lie to you,” Amos told Marine Corps Times on Aug. 10 during a two-day trip to Marine Corps Forces Reserve headquarters here and Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, N.C. “We just don’t know what that is going to look like yet and we won’t know for months.”


Budget pressures ratcheted up after President Obama signed a deal Aug. 2 to reduce the U.S. government’s estimated $1.5 trillion budget deficit. That deal, reached after weeks of haggling in Congress, likely means at least $350 billion in cuts to defense spending over the next decade, and potentially up to $1 trillion.


It’s not clear how much of that burden the Corps will be forced to shoulder, but the numbers could prime the service for considerable change. It depends on how much of the Corps’ $26 billion budget is slashed during the coming year, Amos said.


Earlier this year, recently retired Defense Secretary Robert Gates “blessed” the Corps’ force­structure review recommendations, Amos said. He did so on the condition that force reductions not begin until after U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan are complete, likely in 2014.


That was before the deficit deal was reached, however. Amos could be pushed into a corner by budget decisions that will affect the entire military. Marine planners have developed a blueprint that lays out options for a force smaller than 186,800 Marines, and with the drawdown beginning as soon as fiscal 2013 — which begins in October 2012 — to meet fiscal requirements, Amos said.


The commandant declined to say how small the service could eventually be, but sources at Marine Corps headquarters said planners have discussed cuts that could reduce the service by at least 25,000 Marines. That would leave the Corps with fewer than 180,000 troops on active duty. There were about 172,000 Marines on active duty at the time of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and about 175,000 when the U.S. invaded Iraq in March 2003.


What you should expect


Regardless, Amos said the drawdown will be conducted in a way that’s fair to Marines. Existing contracts will be honored, transition assistance will be beefed up and Marines will be encouraged to prepare for the future while still on active duty, Marine officials said.


The first step of the drawdown may be a reduction of up to 2,500 recruits the Corps brings in during fiscal 2013, with additional cuts of other kinds in later years. The service will not slash 10,000 personnel in a year — an unpopular move made in the early 1990s — but it will reduce manpower by between 3,500 and 5,000 per year, Amos said. A combination of reducing re-enlistment options, shrinking annual recruiting accessions and limiting some careers to 20 years likely will be used.


To determine a possible rate for the drawdown, Marine officials reviewed what its accession rates were as the Corps grew from 180,000 Marines to 202,100 between 2007 and 2009. They decided they could reduce end strength most easily four years after some of the largest recruiting classes came in, as tens of thousands of Marines reached the end of their contracts, Amos said.


The Corps brought in 38,217 recruits in fiscal 2006, before the 202,000 push began. That number ballooned to 40,890 in 2007 and 42,226 in 2008. It then dropped to 37,114 in 2009 and 33,887 in 2010. Marines who entered in fiscal 2006 and most of 2007 have been up for re-enlistment, but those who joined in fiscal 2008 and 2009 haven’t reached the end of their contracts.


Regardless what the final end strength is, Marines who want to stay in the Corps will need to stand out among their peers. Amos and Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps Mike Barrett, the Corps’ top enlisted adviser, have urged Marines to pursue excellence to ensure a chance to stay.


“I’m not going to go around and say, ‘Let Daddy give you a hug!’ ” Barrett said in an interview at his Pentagon office. “I’m not going to do that. What I’m going to tell you is, ‘Prepare yourself.’ If you want to stay in the Marine Corps, you can absolutely stay in the Marine Corps. But … you’re going to have to be the best. You’re going to have to bring your A-game every single day.”


Barrett said that means pursuing top scores on the rifle range, the Physical Fitness Test, the Combat Fitness Test and in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program.


“Going to the range and being happy that you qualified is bulls---,” Barrett said. “You better go to the range and go, ‘How high of an ‘expert’ am I going to shoot today?’ Not, ‘Alright! Yay! I qualified!’ That’s JV nonsense.”


Where you’ll see cuts


Recommendations made last year by the Corps’ Force Structure Review Group are expected to serve as the drawdown’s framework. Outlined broadly in February, it calls for the estimated 15,000-troop reduction and elimination of several units. It’s unclear how deeper cuts would be implemented if they are required.


The force-structure recommendations call for one regimental headquarters to be cut, dropping the total to seven. The Corps also will cut its active-duty infantry battalions from 27 to 24, its artillery batteries from nine to seven and its armor companies from 10 to eight, Marine officials said.


Three active and one reserve Marine wing support group headquarters also will be cut, with aviation logistics expertise kept within the Marine air wing staff. Command and control of the Marine wing support squadrons will instead fall under the Marine air group headquarters.


Additionally, Marine logistics groups will be trimmed, with key pieces aligned with Marine expeditionary units and infantry regiments. By being a part of those units, logistics Marines will train with the operational units instead of assigned to them shortly ahead of a deployment.


Marine officials in several commands also have disclosed expected troop reductions. For example, The Basic School at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., is planning to see its staff of more than 800 Marines reduced by 27 captains and 103 enlisted billets.


The Corps also has started to build two new one-star Marine expeditionary brigade headquarters, with one falling under Marine Corps Forces Central Command, out of Tampa, Fla., and the other falling under Marine Corps Forces Africa Command, based in Germany.


The manpower will be available for the MEB headquarters as the Corps flattens the command staff at Marine Corps Installations East and West. The two-star MCI commands manage bases, stations and regional strategies for the Corps, and will be streamlined as part of force restructuring. Details on the MCI cuts have not been disclosed.


The Corps also recently adopted a significant change to its top-end service limits for sergeants, from 13 to 10 years.


Marine will still be guaranteed at least one chance to go before a staff sergeant promotion board, even in the slowest promoting military occupational specialties. However, once a Marine is passed over twice or reaches 10 years of service without being promoted, he will be shown the door either at the end of his current contract or seven months after the release of promotion board results — whichever offers more time.


This change is partly a return to normal following rapid growth during the 202,000 push, Manpower officials said. The service limit for sergeants was 10 years from 1992 to 2001. However, senior leaders also said it is part of developing a new, more competitive environment that will make a drawdown less painful by moving top noncommissioned officers into zone for promotion faster than they otherwise would be, preventing stagnation.


“I would say it’s a combination of all things,” Barrett said. “I would say that’s fair.”
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[Old Marine]

Kind of looks like those things that are called WAIVERS will also be out the door. If the Corps is cutting back, they why take an enlistee who is not going to be trainable because of this or that. Really do not understand the concept of waivers in the 1st place. Nothing but a waste of the taxpayers money. Time to get back to the real Marine Corps.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Gunny, that wouldn't surprise me in the least. If they are going to keep waivers around, I'd think they will be for small insignificant stuff like minor traffic violations and such.

[KaoticMarine11]

and drug waivers for pot smokers. young and dumb in high school like myself lmao. either that or kids just shouldnt tell thier recruiter at all and do away with waivers in general. i agree with you gunny if they are trying to downsize why helps kids get in with waivers. let the poster childs get in and leave the "work in progress" to the side. i also think they should endure a psych eval before boot camp also because i seen 5 recruits in 1 weeks time drop out over suicide. its crazy how many loony bins get into the marines. hell i have some new marines in my unit who are absolutely retarded and dont understand anything you ask them. i have only been in a year but damn i had myself locked on half way through boot. i dont know if its because my dad was a marine and treated me like a marine my whole life or if its just some people dont care anymore. well i am heading to bed. you take care gentlemen!

[afraziaaaa]

and drug waivers for pot smokers. young and dumb in high school like myself lmao. either that or kids just shouldnt tell thier recruiter at all and do away with waivers in general. i agree with you gunny if they are trying to downsize why helps kids get in with waivers. let the poster childs get in and leave the "work in progress" to the side. i also think they should endure a psych eval before boot camp also because i seen 5 recruits in 1 weeks time drop out over suicide. its crazy how many loony bins get into the marines. hell i have some new marines in my unit who are absolutely retarded and dont understand anything you ask them. i have only been in a year but damn i had myself locked on half way through boot. i dont know if its because my dad was a marine and treated me like a marine my whole life or if its just some people dont care anymore. well i am heading to bed. you take care gentlemen!

Without waivers, the Marine Corps would be the Air Force. A bunch of weenies in business suits whining about the public use of foul language and doing a TDY swap to go to Italy.

[fl1946]

I would not be surprised if the Corps went down to about 175 or 178,000, pre-Vietnam days. Along with the draw down, the Corps has -- still fighting to keep itself from being merged with other branches, i.e., Army. Read General Krulak's book, "Brute" which described how the Chowder Society saved the Marine Corps from extinction.

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