fs19 and LittleMissStretch, Keep up the good work. it will pay off and as I have mentioned before, I have seen this work for so many but you have to stick with it and be dedicated. If you want it then go for it. I woulld suggest for the females to hang on the bar as if you were in a flexed arm hang and then very slowly lower your arms to full extension, have someone push you back up and do it again and again and again....Reverse pull-ups for the women.........Semper Fi all!!!!!!!!